The Red Fleet · Admiralty Board Changes Announced

[Imperium of Josh]

Ah the pointless slugging match over this continued.... missed that in my reading of more relevant things.

waves at Misley and Attero

[Caelapes]

The Red Fleet's statement is focused on the NPO. The settled fact of Vetelo's OOC behavior is not the topic of our statement, which is rather to disclose that we will not work with regions that shelter such players.

[Imperial Jokers]

If Amestris is shunned based on 94 block and USSD because of Vetelo. I would hope that The Red Fleet would also be shunned based on Misley. I shouldn't be alone in thinking this demerits to the cause against the NPO.

[Bedetopia]

If Amestris is shunned based on 94 block and USSD because of Vetelo. I would hope that The Red Fleet would also be shunned based on Misley. I shouldn't be alone in thinking this demerits to the cause against the NPO.

Everybody should be allowed to fight against the NPO.

[Imperial Jokers]

If Amestris is shunned based on 94 block and USSD because of Vetelo. I would hope that The Red Fleet would also be shunned based on Misley. I shouldn't be alone in thinking this demerits to the cause against the NPO.

Everybody should be allowed to fight against the NPO.

I'm not sure I agree with people who are unwelcome in our gameplay communities should be welcome to join the cause.

[Of The Toads]

If Amestris is shunned based on 94 block and USSD because of Vetelo. I would hope that The Red Fleet would also be shunned based on Misley. I shouldn't be alone in thinking this demerits to the cause against the NPO.

Everybody should be allowed to fight against the NPO.

This is that thought pattern of Ill do what you did but we are "morally" correct cause its my side.

No one ever wins a war - Eragol

[Bedetopia]

Everybody should be allowed to fight against the NPO.

This is that thought pattern of Ill do what you did but we are "morally" correct cause its my side.

No one ever wins a war - Eragol

I live for chaos, not morality.

[Vetelo]

The Red Fleet's statement is focused on the NPO. The settled fact of Vetelo's OOC behavior is not the topic of our statement, which is rather to disclose that we will not work with regions that shelter such players.

Then maybe you shouldn't have spent the last two thirds of the post talking about me.

[Caelapes]

The full statement is about the NPO. The fact that the NPO sheltered your alter ego is what led The Red Fleet to its decision, but the fact remains that it is about the NPO and the recent coming-to-light of its actions, not you and actions that we condemned a long time ago.

[Cormactopia Prime]

If Amestris is shunned based on 94 block and USSD because of Vetelo. I would hope that The Red Fleet would also be shunned based on Misley. I shouldn't be alone in thinking this demerits to the cause against the NPO.

I love me an anonymous puppet. Let's dispense with this silly argument right out of the gate, shall we?

First of all, the idea that The Red Fleet or any region or organization declaring war against the NPO detracts from the cause against the NPO is completely absurd. No one can possibly control what other regions and organizations do. If they choose to declare war against the NPO, no one can stop them. Of course, other regions and organizations can decide whether to work with them or not, and in some cases the decision will be made not to do so.

Secondly, though, Misley (Caelapes) doesn't play the same central role in The Red Fleet as Saint Block and Vetelo do in their regions. He isn't a Founder that acts as a Monarch over The Red Fleet; rather, The Red Fleet is led by an Admiralty Board. Additionally, Misley's past behavior isn't on the same level as either Saint Block's or Vetelo's, and it's reasonable to give him a second chance and allow him to participate in this and other gameplay endeavors. And I say that as someone who has been one of his harshest critics. You can't just address every situation with the same treatment, they have to be addressed on a case by case basis, based on individual circumstances. So yeah, there's no reason Misley shouldn't be involved.

[Aclion]

Misley's past behavior isn't on the same level as either Saint Block's or Vetelo's,

Wait, what did OOC stuff St Block do other then forum destruction?

[Cormactopia Prime]

Misley's past behavior isn't on the same level as either Saint Block's or Vetelo's,

Wait, what did OOC stuff St Block do other then forum destruction?

That's not stuff that can or should be discussed on-site, and honestly, it's not the topic of this thread anyway or something I care to delve into.

If you ask around off-site you'll probably hear all about it. Though not from me. I find lately that the less I preoccupy myself with this OOC stuff, the happier I am. So it's just not something I want to discuss, but there are plenty of people who will fill you in if you need to know.

[Caelapes]

Changes to the Admiralty Board Announced

After years of service, comrade Proletaire has made the decision to step down from the Admiralty Board due to his inability to continue serving in an update-ready commanding position. Proletaire is one of the oldest comrades in the NSLeft, having joined The Internationale in its original incarnation on the ill-fated NationStates 2 before following former Squadron Admirals La Pasionaria and Marxingrad to NationStates in 2009. His long period of service to The Red Fleet included duties with The Red Fleet Marines, the Thirteenth of October Anti-Fascist Group, and most recently serving as the Squadron Admiral for the Huey P. Newton Squadron, The Red Fleet's major-update squadron.

Taking his place on the Admiralty Board for the Huey P. Newton Squadron is Courelli, who joins us from Social Liberal Union. This appointment marks the first time that a Squadron Admiral has been appointed whose activity lies primarily outside of The Internationale in some years, and we are excited to have their fresh input and views on the Admiralty Board moving forward.

In addition to the appointment of Courelli to the Admiralty Board, comrade Ratateague has been promoted to the officer corps as a Lieutenant for the Huey P. Newton Squadron, and comrade The Decapole Counsils will serve as Petty Officer.

Congratulations to all of these comrades for their service to The Red Fleet and the cause of anti-fascist action on NationStates, and to Proletaire especially for a well-deserved shore leave.

Pax ignescens!

[Cedoria]

If Amestris is shunned based on 94 block and USSD because of Vetelo. I would hope that The Red Fleet would also be shunned based on Misley. I shouldn't be alone in thinking this demerits to the cause against the NPO.

I love me an anonymous puppet. Let's dispense with this silly argument right out of the gate, shall we?

First of all, the idea that The Red Fleet or any region or organization declaring war against the NPO detracts from the cause against the NPO is completely absurd. No one can possibly control what other regions and organizations do. If they choose to declare war against the NPO, no one can stop them. Of course, other regions and organizations can decide whether to work with them or not, and in some cases the decision will be made not to do so.

Secondly, though, Misley (Caelapes) doesn't play the same central role in The Red Fleet as Saint Block and Vetelo do in their regions. He isn't a Founder that acts as a Monarch over The Red Fleet; rather, The Red Fleet is led by an Admiralty Board. Additionally, Misley's past behavior isn't on the same level as either Saint Block's or Vetelo's, and it's reasonable to give him a second chance and allow him to participate in this and other gameplay endeavors. And I say that as someone who has been one of his harshest critics. You can't just address every situation with the same treatment, they have to be addressed on a case by case basis, based on individual circumstances. So yeah, there's no reason Misley shouldn't be involved.

Cormac is, surprisingly correct. Everyone in the know knows I've had plenty of arguments with Misley about things that have caused me concern about the running of NSLeft, but I'd have his cooperation any day over Vetelo's. Misley at least actually does shun those who out to be our enemies.

[Cedoria]

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Changes to the Admiralty Board Announced

After years of service, comrade Proletaire has made the decision to step down from the Admiralty Board due to his inability to continue serving in an update-ready commanding position. Proletaire is one of the oldest comrades in the NSLeft, having joined The Internationale in its original incarnation on the ill-fated NationStates 2 before following former Squadron Admirals La Pasionaria and Marxingrad to NationStates in 2009. His long period of service to The Red Fleet included duties with The Red Fleet Marines, the Thirteenth of October Anti-Fascist Group, and most recently serving as the Squadron Admiral for the Huey P. Newton Squadron, The Red Fleet's major-update squadron.

Taking his place on the Admiralty Board for the Huey P. Newton Squadron is Courelli, who joins us from Social Liberal Union. This appointment marks the first time that a Squadron Admiral has been appointed whose activity lies primarily outside of The Internationale in some years, and we are excited to have their fresh input and views on the Admiralty Board moving forward.

In addition to the appointment of Courelli to the Admiralty Board, comrade Ratateague has been promoted to the officer corps as a Lieutenant for the Huey P. Newton Squadron, and comrade The Decapole Counsils will serve as Petty Officer.

Congratulations to all of these comrades for their service to The Red Fleet and the cause of anti-fascist action on NationStates, and to Proletaire especially for a well-deserved shore leave.

Pax ignescens!

My congratulations to Comrades Courelli, Ratateague and Decapole Councils for their ascent. Congratulations and thanks to Comrade Proletaire for years of dedicated anti-fash actions.

[Escade]

Additionally, Misley's past behavior isn't on the same level as either Saint Block's or Vetelo's, and it's reasonable to give him a second chance and allow him to participate in this and other gameplay endeavors. And I say that as someone who has been one of his harshest critics. You can't just address every situation with the same treatment, they have to be addressed on a case by case basis, based on individual circumstances. So yeah, there's no reason Misley shouldn't be involved.

This ^