Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism

[LollerLand]

Given TRF are a CAIN member and have argued here that RTL should be considered a Nazi collaborator region, it would not be considered threadjacking/off-topic to continue to discuss in this thread whether they should be.

CAIN has decided to remove RtL from Nazi Collaborator's list. TRF's independent views on RtL is not a concern of CAIN.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I regret voting for adopting this into TSP law.

[Imperial States America]

You Disappoint me Cain I've telegraphed you about me not shuttering of my embassy in a Nazi region so I assumed y'all would have given me the honor of labeling me as a collaborator but what do I see nothing nothing at all. If y'all still can't put me on then I must have had deployed a sack of tricks that I didn't even know I had.

[LollerLand]

You Disappoint me Cain I've telegraphed you about me not shuttering of my embassy in a Nazi region so I assumed y'all would have given me the honor of labeling me as a collaborator but what do I see nothing nothing at all. If y'all still can't put me on then I must have had deployed a sack of tricks that I didn't even know I had.

So you want us to label you as a Nazi collaborator?
Don't worry you are one already.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

You Disappoint me Cain I've telegraphed you about me not shuttering of my embassy in a Nazi region so I assumed y'all would have given me the honor of labeling me as a collaborator but what do I see nothing nothing at all. If y'all still can't put me on then I must have had deployed a sack of tricks that I didn't even know I had.

So you want us to label you as a Nazi collaborator?
Don't worry you are one already.

Why does an embassy opening mater?

[Tinhampton]

So you want us to label you as a Nazi collaborator?
Don't worry you are one already.

Why does an embassy opening mater?

If you have an embassy with a Nazi Region, you are considered a Nazi Collaborator, with all of the sanctions inflicted upon Nazi Regions (expect that those who open embassies with your regions are not considered Nazi Collaborators).

[Sygian II]

If you have an embassy with a Nazi Region, you are considered a Nazi Collaborator, with all of the sanctions inflicted upon Nazi Regions (expect that those who open embassies with your regions are not considered Nazi Collaborators).

And if your military doesn't participate in CAIN operations, they will threaten to label you as a Nazi sympathizer regardless of the reason.

[Altmoras]

If you have an embassy with a Nazi Region, you are considered a Nazi Collaborator, with all of the sanctions inflicted upon Nazi Regions (expect that those who open embassies with your regions are not considered Nazi Collaborators).

And if your military doesn't participate in CAIN operations, they will threaten to label you as a Nazi sympathizer regardless of the reason.

That's a pretty spicy accusation you've got there!

I'm sure you wouldn't go flinging something like that around without some solid proof so let's see it.

[Sygian II]

I'm sure you wouldn't go flinging something like that around without some solid proof so let's see it.

You're smart enough not to play the "no-proof" card, Altmoras.

Or at least I thought you were.

It's your word against the word of leaders of multiple militaries currently participating in CAIN that feel they are being forced to take part in "anti-Nazi" operations that they initially did not even want to consider participating in (example: trying to clean up The Grey Wardens mess in Femdom Empire. By the way, how's that working out for you?) with the feeling that they will be labeled as the enemy if they don't wish to participate.

Don't make me mention the harassment that is taking place between "leaders" of CAIN and leaders of certain non-fascist organizations that are not members of CAIN.

[Altmoras]

I'm sure you wouldn't go flinging something like that around without some solid proof so let's see it.

You're smart enough not to play the "no-proof" card, Altmoras.

Or at least I thought you were.

It's your word against the word of leaders of multiple militaries currently participating in CAIN that feel they are being forced to take part in "anti-Nazi" operations that they initially did not even want to consider participating in (example: trying to clean up The Grey Wardens mess in Femdom Empire. By the way, how's that working out for you?) with the feeling that they will be labeled as the enemy if they don't wish to participate.

Leaders of multiple militaries? Right now the only one saying anything of the sort is you. Perhaps if those leaders were to say something themselves people would believe you.

[Sygian II]

But it's exactly that -- they've said so in private but obviously won't say anything in public with the fear of such things happening.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Just a Heads up, i'm running for The South Pacific Delegate on a Campaign to leave CAIN among other things.

[Caelapes]

I said that it was "fucking stupid" for traditional R/D militaries to use the presence of militaries on the other side of the traditional R/D dichotomy as an excuse not to participate in CAIN operations. Not that they should be labeled Nazi sympathizers! But thanks for misrepresenting what I had to say!

[Sygian II]

Or there's the time that Tim (using a puppet, of course) called Lord Ravenclaw a radicalized extremist.

But I suppose calling us "fuckin stupid" for "refusing to beat up Nazis based on traditional R/D divisions" works too.

EDIT: Good luck, Herp.

[Brunhizzle]

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After receiving sponsorship from The West Pacific and the Kingdom of Alexandria, Firehelm has been nominated as a signatory of CAIN. Voting will begin on the 9th of January.

Also, Happy New Years.

[Consular]

But it's exactly that -- they've said so in private but obviously won't say anything in public with the fear of such things happening.

It's easy to make accusations when you have an awfully convenient excuse to not give any evidence.

I heard that Cormac and NK are actually the same person, who plans to rule Osiris forever. A whole bunch of leading people in Osiris told me this (for some reason, why the fuck would they talk to me but whatever). I can't reveal my super secret sources though because then Osiris would be very mad at them and I don't want that.

You're not seeing why we're not taking you seriously here?

[Sygian II]

But it's exactly that -- they've said so in private but obviously won't say anything in public with the fear of such things happening.

You're not seeing why we're not taking you seriously here?

You obviously didn't "see" my next post. Go read up buddy, and I'm sure a lot of people could back me up there.

[Consular]

Or there's the time that Tim (using a puppet, of course) called Lord Ravenclaw a radicalized extremist.

But I suppose calling us "fuckin stupid" for "refusing to beat up Nazis based on traditional R/D divisions" works too.

EDIT: Good luck, Herp.

This post?

What does Tim being his edgy self prove?

[Indo-Malaysia]

The Order of the Southern North condemns the CAIN. You have falsely labelled Kaiserreich as a Nazi Region, which has in turn led to my region and many of my allied regions being labelled as Nazi Collaborators. The Order strongly insists that this libel be removed.

[Altmoras]

You're not seeing why we're not taking you seriously here?

You obviously didn't "see" my next post. Go read up buddy, and I'm sure a lot of people could back me up there.

You mean the one where you decided that a random puppet belongs to Tim? I don't see any WA joinings or anything on that nation that could tell you who it is so you're pulling that completely out of your ass.

But I suppose calling us "fuckin stupid" for "refusing to beat up Nazis based on traditional R/D divisions" works too.

Sounds pretty stupid to me. Still waiting for the part where you provide even a shred of evidence that CAIN "will threaten to label you as a Nazi sympathizer regardless of the reason. " though.

Any more unsubstantiated claims? Or will you be taking a break from fiction for the rest of the night?

[Tim-Opolis]

I thought you knew me well enough Sygian to know that I'm pretty keen on shitposting from my main nation, because I'm not afraid of direct confrontation, and think passive aggressive sniping is for pansies. I too would love substantiation for these various claims of yours. Afterall, I can claim The Black Hawks are actually a pan-regional defender military that was sleepered into the Invader World in 2005, and my claim has just about as much proof as yours does at the moment.

[Canton Empire]

Or there's the time that Tim (using a puppet, of course) called Lord Ravenclaw a radicalized extremist.

But I suppose calling us "fuckin stupid" for "refusing to beat up Nazis based on traditional R/D divisions" works too.

EDIT: Good luck, Herp.

This post?

What does Tim being his edgy self prove?

Isn't Tim supposed to be an edgy bad cop who doesn't play by the rules? Or am I very mistaken?

[Cormactopia II]

I don't know about labeling anyone "Nazi sympathizers," as I haven't personally seen evidence of that, but there definitely has been talk of how some CAIN signatories are treating other CAIN signatories if they don't participate in an operation. There were a lot of both public and back room complaints by the representatives and participants in several CAIN signatory regions, for example, when the North Pacific Army didn't participate in the Femdom Empire operation, including speculation and accusations that a specific individual was behind the NPA not participating in that operation.

There are major gameplay regions seriously considering withdrawal from CAIN based on the controversies it has thus far created. Don't say I didn't warn you!

Edit: As far as I know, Osiris isn't one of the major gameplay regions I'm talking about, so don't make assumptions. I hear things from many places.

[Caelapes]

Maybe regions shouldn't join an anti-Nazi military pact if they don't want to contribute to military operations under that pact's banner.

[La Navasse]

Firstly, member regions of CAIN shouldn't have to participate in all operations, as there may always be something else to do. Maybe participating to 66% of all operations could be enough.

Secondly, CAIN is... degrading, to say the least. Your organization's Constitution, though well-written, has a very minor flaw in a very critical region of the Constitution, which is causing controversy. At the very least, your organization should be able to discriminate a region that has Nazi in the name, Nazi symbols in the flag, embassies with Nazi regions, Nazi offices, BUT a completely democratic political system from a region that has communism in the name, communist symbols in the flag, embassies with communist regions, communist offices, BUT a completely Nazified political system. The former shouldn't be labelled as a Nazi region while the latter should.

The reason I say this is because the Constitution, and even the name, specially stipulates for the eradication of the ideology of Nazism, NOT the culture that goes along with it. There could be dozens of Nazi culture regions that are completely democratic, but there could also be dozens of seemingly democratic regions that are completely Nazified.

Don't judge a book by its cover, and don't judge a region by its surface.