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Vuori Kunin-Grrs
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Postby Vuori Kunin-Grrs » Thu May 25, 2017 7:52 am

Asturies-Llion wrote:
Cresenthia wrote:This is the Coalition Against Authoritarianism. Communism is an authoritarian ideology. Ergo, TRF and TI would be targeted by CAA.

TI is home of anarchist and democratic socialist nations too, which I suppose you don't consider as "authoritarian", so targetting us would be very unfair.

CAA wouldn't target all Communist regions, but would only target Stalinist regions.

Additionally, targeting regions with offensive RL ideologies to a certain group of nations is perfectly fine. It's one of the gears that move GP.
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Postby Melqart » Thu May 25, 2017 8:31 am

Is this just a way to get your region to be allies with larger regions? I might have read it wrong, but it looked like you're just power hungry. What's wrong with being a dictator? You're only commanding people that join your region...
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu May 25, 2017 8:37 am

Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:Additionally, targeting regions with offensive RL ideologies to a certain group of nations is perfectly fine. It's one of the gears that move GP.


Look at you, acting like an expert on Gameplay with no experience.

While that doesn't automatically make you wrong, you're still wrong. Raiders don't raid because they're offended by real life ideologies. Defenders don't defend because they're offended by real life ideologies. Most of the Communist and Nazi regions on this site are made up of nations that are just roleplaying the ideologies, not subscribing to them. Of those that do participate in L/R Gameplay, some of them do it because it's fun, and some do it because it helps them and/or their region stay active.

Targeting regions after being offended at real life ideologies isn't one of the gears that moves Gameplay, La Navasse. It's one of the gears that moves you. It did in the Security Council, it has here, and hopefully when CAA fails, you'll end up in General where you'll find yourself right at home.
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Postby Shady Invasions » Thu May 25, 2017 8:48 am

Ridersyl wrote:
Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:Additionally, targeting regions with offensive RL ideologies to a certain group of nations is perfectly fine. It's one of the gears that move GP.


Look at you, acting like an expert on Gameplay with no experience.

While that doesn't automatically make you wrong, you're still wrong. Raiders don't raid because they're offended by real life ideologies. Defenders don't defend because they're offended by real life ideologies. Most of the Communist and Nazi regions on this site are made up of nations that are just roleplaying the ideologies, not subscribing to them. Of those that do participate in L/R Gameplay, some of them do it because it's fun, and some do it because it helps them and/or their region stay active.

Targeting regions after being offended at real life ideologies isn't one of the gears that moves Gameplay, La Navasse. It's one of the gears that moves you. It did in the Security Council, it has here, and hopefully when CAA fails, you'll end up in General where you'll find yourself right at home.

Wouldn't NS get in trouble if so many of its players were endorsing Nazism and Communism?

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Postby Conservative Values » Thu May 25, 2017 1:36 pm

Ridersyl wrote:
Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:Additionally, targeting regions with offensive RL ideologies to a certain group of nations is perfectly fine. It's one of the gears that move GP.


Look at you, acting like an expert on Gameplay with no experience.

While that doesn't automatically make you wrong, you're still wrong. Raiders don't raid because they're offended by real life ideologies. Defenders don't defend because they're offended by real life ideologies. Most of the Communist and Nazi regions on this site are made up of nations that are just roleplaying the ideologies, not subscribing to them. Of those that do participate in L/R Gameplay, some of them do it because it's fun, and some do it because it helps them and/or their region stay active.

Targeting regions after being offended at real life ideologies isn't one of the gears that moves Gameplay, La Navasse. It's one of the gears that moves you. It did in the Security Council, it has here, and hopefully when CAA fails, you'll end up in General where you'll find yourself right at home.

This is incorrect. Right/Left conflicts have indeed been a part of Gameplay historically. It might not be what motivates most raiders or defenders, but there have always been orgs that participate in Gameplay that do act upon political ideology almost exclusively.

It is definitely a gear that drives gameplay activity.

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Postby Phydios » Thu May 25, 2017 2:02 pm

Shady Invasions wrote:
Ridersyl wrote:
Look at you, acting like an expert on Gameplay with no experience.

While that doesn't automatically make you wrong, you're still wrong. Raiders don't raid because they're offended by real life ideologies. Defenders don't defend because they're offended by real life ideologies. Most of the Communist and Nazi regions on this site are made up of nations that are just roleplaying the ideologies, not subscribing to them. Of those that do participate in L/R Gameplay, some of them do it because it's fun, and some do it because it helps them and/or their region stay active.

Targeting regions after being offended at real life ideologies isn't one of the gears that moves Gameplay, La Navasse. It's one of the gears that moves you. It did in the Security Council, it has here, and hopefully when CAA fails, you'll end up in General where you'll find yourself right at home.

Wouldn't NS get in trouble if so many of its players were endorsing Nazism and Communism?

What trouble do you mean? Legal trouble? What law would they be breaking? NationStates isn't a European entity.
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Postby Consular » Thu May 25, 2017 2:59 pm

Conservative Values wrote:This is incorrect. Right/Left conflicts have indeed been a part of Gameplay historically. It might not be what motivates most raiders or defenders, but there have always been orgs that participate in Gameplay that do act upon political ideology almost exclusively.

It is definitely a gear that drives gameplay activity.

The only remotely relevant organisation or region I can think of that is perhaps motivated by left/right garbage is TRF.

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Postby Shady Invasions » Thu May 25, 2017 3:11 pm

Phydios wrote:
Shady Invasions wrote:Wouldn't NS get in trouble if so many of its players were endorsing Nazism and Communism?

What trouble do you mean? Legal trouble? What law would they be breaking? NationStates isn't a European entity.


Nah. Just trouble from parents and anti-fascist/nazi/communism orgs.

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Postby Caelapes » Thu May 25, 2017 3:45 pm

Consular wrote:
Conservative Values wrote:This is incorrect. Right/Left conflicts have indeed been a part of Gameplay historically. It might not be what motivates most raiders or defenders, but there have always been orgs that participate in Gameplay that do act upon political ideology almost exclusively.

It is definitely a gear that drives gameplay activity.

The only remotely relevant organisation or region I can think of that is perhaps motivated by left/right garbage is TRF.

The MT Army is relevant as well. They're antifascist, but don't take a stance on the left/right conflict like TRF does.
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Postby Vuori Kunin-Grrs » Thu May 25, 2017 4:50 pm

Consular wrote:
Conservative Values wrote:This is incorrect. Right/Left conflicts have indeed been a part of Gameplay historically. It might not be what motivates most raiders or defenders, but there have always been orgs that participate in Gameplay that do act upon political ideology almost exclusively.

It is definitely a gear that drives gameplay activity.

The only remotely relevant organisation or region I can think of that is perhaps motivated by left/right garbage is TRF.

There are anti-fascist and anti-communist organizations out there, such as CAIN (anti-Nazi).

Fighting against what some consider to be an offensive ideology is a gear that drives GP. It's not the only nor is it one of the most important gears that drive GP, but it certainly does exist.

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Postby RiderSyl » Thu May 25, 2017 5:27 pm

Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:Fighting against what some consider to be an offensive ideology is a gear that drives GP.


Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it true.

Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:It's not the only nor is it one of the most important gears that drive GP, but it certainly does exist.


That's your qualification for being a gear that moves Gameplay. Existence.
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Postby Vuori Kunin-Grrs » Thu May 25, 2017 9:54 pm

Ridersyl wrote:
Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:Fighting against what some consider to be an offensive ideology is a gear that drives GP.


Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it true.

Conservative Values wrote:This is incorrect. Right/Left conflicts have indeed been a part of Gameplay historically. It might not be what motivates most raiders or defenders, but there have always been orgs that participate in Gameplay that do act upon political ideology almost exclusively.

It is definitely a gear that drives gameplay activity.

Consular wrote:The only remotely relevant organisation or region I can think of that is perhaps motivated by left/right garbage is TRF.

Caelapes wrote:The MT Army is relevant as well. They're antifascist, but don't take a stance on the left/right conflict like TRF does.

Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it true, Ridersyl.

Ridersyl wrote:
Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:It's not the only nor is it one of the most important gears that drive GP, but it certainly does exist.


That's your qualification for being a gear that moves Gameplay. Existence.
Are you just pranking us? There's no way you're serious.

Please. Facts are facts; you are the one pushing them away. No amount of your distaste of me will make your argument any better.

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Postby RiderSyl » Fri May 26, 2017 7:49 am

Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it true, Ridersyl.

Good! Now let's try this one. "Cherry-picking does not support an argument."

Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:
Ridersyl wrote:
That's your qualification for being a gear that moves Gameplay. Existence.
Are you just pranking us? There's no way you're serious.

Please. Facts are facts; you are the one pushing them away. No amount of your distaste of me will make your argument any better.


Considering your only retorts now are basically 'No u', I don't need to make my argument any better. :lol:
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Postby Indo 3 » Fri May 26, 2017 2:24 pm

Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:
Asturies-Llion wrote:TI is home of anarchist and democratic socialist nations too, which I suppose you don't consider as "authoritarian", so targetting us would be very unfair.

CAA wouldn't target all Communist regions, but would only target Stalinist regions.

Additionally, targeting regions with offensive RL ideologies to a certain group of nations is perfectly fine. It's one of the gears that move GP.

Do you even have any real Gameplay experience?
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Postby Vuori Kunin-Grrs » Fri May 26, 2017 7:25 pm

Indo 3 wrote:
Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:CAA wouldn't target all Communist regions, but would only target Stalinist regions.

Additionally, targeting regions with offensive RL ideologies to a certain group of nations is perfectly fine. It's one of the gears that move GP.

Do you even have any real Gameplay experience?

Yes, though it is mostly in raiding. CAA is basically ideological raiding.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Sat May 27, 2017 6:44 am

Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:
Indo 3 wrote:Do you even have any real Gameplay experience?

Yes, though it is mostly in raiding. CAA is basically ideological raiding.

Really?

What have you raided?
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat May 27, 2017 6:52 am

Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:Yes, though it is mostly in raiding.


It couldn't have been in any established R/D organizations. I haven't seen you pop up anywhere on either side.
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Postby Consular » Sat May 27, 2017 6:53 am

Watching Indo-Malaysia scold someone is so weird.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Sat May 27, 2017 7:17 am

Consular wrote:Watching Indo-Malaysia scold someone is so weird.

. :( Why?
Tsar of the Order of the Southern North.
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Postby Vuori Kunin-Grrs » Sat May 27, 2017 5:59 pm

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:Yes, though it is mostly in raiding. CAA is basically ideological raiding.

Really?

What have you raided?

Raided with DEN, Brotherhood of Shadows, HYDRA Command, and then (very, very briefly) Slendermen, in that order.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat May 27, 2017 6:42 pm

Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:Raided with DEN, Brotherhood of Shadows, HYDRA Command, and then (very, very briefly) Slendermen, in that order.


So.. the cheaters, an irrelevant ripoff, a headless snake, and your own region's military.

Ok then.
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Postby AlonI » Sat May 27, 2017 7:40 pm

Ridersyl wrote:
Vuori Kunin-Grrs wrote:Raided with DEN, Brotherhood of Shadows, HYDRA Command, and then (very, very briefly) Slendermen, in that order.


So.. the cheaters, an irrelevant ripoff, a headless snake, and your own region's military.

Ok then.

Yes, this IS Vuori Kunin-Grrs.

DEN did cheat, but I did not use Predator. I did gain the majority of my raiding experience from here, though.

Brotherhood of Shadows was admittedly short-lived, but it shares the rest of my raiding experience with HYDRA Command equally.

DankMemes is no longer my region. You should've said "your own ex-region's military."

My main point is that I've had much experience in raiding, which allows me to direct my own raids. And yes, I have timesheets.

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Postby RiderSyl » Sat May 27, 2017 7:55 pm

AlOni wrote:And yes, I have timesheets.


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Postby Consular » Sat May 27, 2017 8:20 pm

What are timesheets?

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Postby Caelapes » Sun May 28, 2017 5:09 am

Consular wrote:What are timesheets?

A pretty awful tool to determine update times.
    
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