Osiris | Danburg Seized!

[Lord Dominator]

38 minutes ago: Onder Kelkia ordered the closure of embassies between Balder and Osiris.

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[Altinsane]

We don't know what you're talking about. That never happened. Please stop making things up, Roavin, it's in bad taste.

[Roavin]

We don't know what you're talking about. That never happened. Please stop making things up, Roavin, it's in bad taste.

Sorry, the defender francoist in me got carried away. plzforgive

13 minutes ago: Solorni cancelled the closure of embassies between Balder and Osiris.
108 minutes ago: Onder Kelkia ordered the closure of embassies between Balder and Osiris.

[Ryccia]

I must say, thank you, Statsminster of Balder. You've made what was otherwise a boring, long day a humourous one with your victim mentality regarding an incident between two other regions, where the offender tried to repair their relations, yet you attempted to agitate the entire affair as a third party. To top it all off, you insisted Balder was the party worst hurt. And now, closing embassies over this? Just, priceless. As of now, it seems that you had to be stopped by Solorni of all people, that powerless Queen who totally, totally doesn't speak as a Balderene official in any capacity, and absolutely does not represent Balder or its views (maybe I'll be proven wrong, but, who knows). Really shows how much the political leader of Balder cares for one of its oldest allies instead of trying to remedy the situation over the following days.

[Jar Wattinree]

Balderene

That's a new one, I like that.

[Ryccia]

Balderene

That's a new one, I like that.

That is not the demonym? Sorry. If it is possible, do tell, so I can fix it.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Hey now, he called it. Give him his props.

What exactly did GR “call”? That whole post he linked to was an assertion that the IJCC was not compatible with Independence lol. If his post had been, “Because of this, a few months down the line Europeia will have a parting of the ways with Osiris” I would be impressed

You are correct, the post he linked to is an assertion that the IJCC is not compatible with "Independence". This treaty cancellation is happening because an ally has judged that the IJCC is literally not compatible with existing treaty clauses mandating independence of your military. I'll pay it.

38 minutes ago: Onder Kelkia ordered the closure of embassies between Balder and Osiris.

Alright, now I REALLY haven't seen that before. That's priceless.

[Altmoras]

13 minutes ago: Solorni cancelled the closure of embassies between Balder and Osiris.
108 minutes ago: Onder Kelkia ordered the closure of embassies between Balder and Osiris.

Looks like buddy got a little too far ahead of himself.

[Jar Wattinree]

That's a new one, I like that.

That is not the demonym? Sorry. If it is possible, do tell, so I can fix it.

Well, some people call them "The Bald", but most probably say, as I call 'em, "Baldarite".

[Altmoras]

That is not the demonym? Sorry. If it is possible, do tell, so I can fix it.

Well, some people call them "The Bald", but most probably say, as I call 'em, "Baldarite".

Baldies is clearly the best term.

[Altinsane]

We don't know what you're talking about. That never happened. Please stop making things up, Roavin, it's in bad taste.

Sorry, the defender francoist in me got carried away. plzforgive

13 minutes ago: Solorni cancelled the closure of embassies between Balder and Osiris.
108 minutes ago: Onder Kelkia ordered the closure of embassies between Balder and Osiris.

Oh, uh.. >.>
<.<

Misclick, I assume.

[Rigels Light]

Holy Mother of God, I leave and play video games for a week and now Onder is up in his feels about jack all that had to do with him? Must be a Tuesday.

On that note. I find myself incapable of quoting Onder in this reply for a couple of reasons. One being that I don't have time to sift through the "OnderWalls of Saying Absolutely Nothing" and the second being that your opinion on this subject means about jack all to me.

What does mean something to me is that someone has come into the Osiris Forum Topic and continuously lambasted the Delegate and Guardians of the Region I'm from. And not only that. Has attempted to sway public opinion to make their region look like an innocent victim to the atrocities that said delegate has performed?

Last I checked. This started with the dissolving of the Treaty between Euro and Osiris. Not a single thing to do with Balder and literally everyone else. Until Balder made it about themselves.

Is Balder so desperate for the attention to get back on the map that it need to self insert into other region's problems? Admittedly, it is a poor excuse for a Sinker these days, so one can't expect much better from it.

Also. I'm curious. It seems that Onder speaks for the Region, yes? Why did you cancel Embassy Closure, Solorni? If Balder is really prepared to cut ties with Osiris. Why not let it start. Balder has done exactly what for Osiris in the last.... Whenever? If there is a list, it's bound to be pretty short, so I'm sure you can respond with it.

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[Syberis]

Rigel. Your statement is incorrect.


It's a Saturday.

[Reventus Koth]

This is the best birthday ever. When scientists create the first artificial mountain using materials sourced from local molehills, they must dub it Mt. Onder.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Does Balder intend to take any action to address Onder's violation of the Treaty of the Ancient Gods, which was also a violation of Balder's own law?

If not, I don't really see how this relationship can be salvaged. I don't even think it should be, but if Balder wants it to be, something has to be done.

[Onderkelkia]

Does Balder intend to take any action to address Onder's violation of the Treaty of the Ancient Gods, which was also a violation of Balder's own law?

If not, I don't really see how this relationship can be salvaged. I don't even think it should be, but if Balder wants it to be, something has to be done.

There is no violation of the Treaty of the Ancient Gods or Balder's own law. The treaty requires that Balder and Osiris maintain in-game embassies. If we had chosen to continue with the in-game embassy termination, then the embassy would still have been intact (with the removal time) before the treaty ended.

As for Balder's position on future relations with Osiris and the circumstances surrounding the embassy termination, please consult our statement.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Does Balder intend to take any action to address Onder's violation of the Treaty of the Ancient Gods, which was also a violation of Balder's own law?

If not, I don't really see how this relationship can be salvaged. I don't even think it should be, but if Balder wants it to be, something has to be done.

There is no violation of the Treaty of the Ancient Gods or Balder's own law. The treaty requires that Balder and Osiris maintain in-game embassies. If we had chosen to continue with the in-game embassy termination, then the embassy would still have been intact (with the removal time) before the treaty ended.

As for Balder's position on future relations with Osiris and the circumstances surrounding the embassy termination, please consult our statement.

Yes, I hadn't seen your statement yet. Good riddance.

[Consular]

13 minutes ago: Solorni cancelled the closure of embassies between Balder and Osiris.
108 minutes ago: Onder Kelkia ordered the closure of embassies between Balder and Osiris.

I'm sitting at work chuckling for reasons I can't explain to my colleagues. Honestly... just fucking lmao

I have to say though -- I'm not terribly surprised Onder set out to find a way to make Osiris feel at fault here. It's just classic Onder.

And who thought it would be a good idea to leave Onder in charge of PR for the IJCC? Onder is essentially the reason the UIAF fell apart.

[Cormactopia Prime]

And who thought it would be a good idea to leave Onder in charge of PR for the IJCC? Onder is essentially the reason the UIAF fell apart.

Probably the same people who thought it would be a good idea to leave him in charge of PR for the UIAF. This cast of characters doesn't change.

[Th Empire of Wymondham]

Imperialists in general have never been out to do the right by allies, all their interested in is advancing the imperialist sphere's best interests, it just lays bare the true nature of the imperialist sphere, they reinterpret there treaties as and when it suits them and care not for alliances or other regions unless it serves there own interests, their sole goal is the manipulation of other regions for there own gain.
On another point i just wanted to say how impressed I am by onder's ability to write a wall of text and somehow manage to say absolutely nothing of substance or meaning

This is a rather lofty tone from someone who attained Citizenship in Europeia apparently for the sole purpose of disseminating information which was protected by the citizenship masking. I find it rather funny that Europeia had been accused of spying in this thread when you were called on it as your post was discovered in a publicly viewable space of the Osiris Forum.

As a side-note: the "(c.)" in treaties is a holdover from Invisionfree forums which resulted in "(c)" displaying the copyright symbol and it is also present in some of the older laws of Europeia.

That is a completely false accusation.

I joined europeia to participate in its legislature which is one of the most active in NS you will ntoice my first post other than my citizenship application was to contribute towards a legislative discussion, i had previously been a citizen but left earlier this year due to RL. Your treaties are not private, if i really wanted to spy on you I would have done thing worse than that, treaties are in the public domain and to say i used my citizenship masking to spy on you guys is quite simply incorrect. I wanted to become a part of europeia and was not aware of the movement to dissolve the treaty. I made my post in the Osiris forum knowing it was publicly visible as I had done nothing wrong. I really wanted to become a part of europeia and intend to continue contributing what i can

[Drecq]

This is a rather lofty tone from someone who attained Citizenship in Europeia apparently for the sole purpose of disseminating information which was protected by the citizenship masking. I find it rather funny that Europeia had been accused of spying in this thread when you were called on it as your post was discovered in a publicly viewable space of the Osiris Forum.

As a side-note: the "(c.)" in treaties is a holdover from Invisionfree forums which resulted in "(c)" displaying the copyright symbol and it is also present in some of the older laws of Europeia.

That is a completely false accusation.

I joined europeia to participate in its legislature which is one of the most active in NS you will ntoice my first post other than my citizenship application was to contribute towards a legislative discussion, i had previously been a citizen but left earlier this year due to RL. Your treaties are not private, if i really wanted to spy on you I would have done thing worse than that, treaties are in the public domain and to say i used my citizenship masking to spy on you guys is quite simply incorrect. I wanted to become a part of europeia and was not aware of the movement to dissolve the treaty. I made my post in the Osiris forum knowing it was publicly visible as I had done nothing wrong. I really wanted to become a part of europeia and intend to continue contributing what i can

You have to see the cognitive dissonance in wanting to contribute in Europeia because its legislature is one of the most active in NS and thinking Europeia is in its death throws, right? You can like something enough to want to be part of it or you can trash talk it to third parties. Unless you're a middle school mean girl, you can't really do both.

Fwiw you applied for Citizenship in Europeia two weeks ago and you have since posted once in a thread connected to legislating and only four times over all. Just to compare, you have at best "involved" yourself in legislating in Europeia once for each time you talked shit about Europeia in another region. That is not a great ratio. If you wanted to get active in legislating in Europeia, you have done a particularly bad job of it.

Edit: To give some additional color to that "posted once in a thread connected to legislating": Over that same period, three proposal were introduced, in a forum he would have been able to participate in, to overhaul the entire governmental system of Europeia (reform being a current buzzword in the region) and we elected a new legislature. The one post was not in any of these.

[Altinsane]

13 minutes ago: Solorni cancelled the closure of embassies between Balder and Osiris.
108 minutes ago: Onder Kelkia ordered the closure of embassies between Balder and Osiris.

I'm sitting at work chuckling for reasons I can't explain to my colleagues. Honestly... just fucking lmao

I have to say though -- I'm not terribly surprised Onder set out to find a way to make Osiris feel at fault here. It's just classic Onder.

And who thought it would be a good idea to leave Onder in charge of PR for the IJCC? Onder is essentially the reason the UIAF fell apart.

If it makes you feel any better, we do not even a little bit feel at fault. Any attempts to make us feel at fault have been met with vacant stares of disbelief and friendly reminders that we don't know what the heck they're talking about.

[Th Empire of Wymondham]

That is a completely false accusation.

I joined europeia to participate in its legislature which is one of the most active in NS you will ntoice my first post other than my citizenship application was to contribute towards a legislative discussion, i had previously been a citizen but left earlier this year due to RL. Your treaties are not private, if i really wanted to spy on you I would have done thing worse than that, treaties are in the public domain and to say i used my citizenship masking to spy on you guys is quite simply incorrect. I wanted to become a part of europeia and was not aware of the movement to dissolve the treaty. I made my post in the Osiris forum knowing it was publicly visible as I had done nothing wrong. I really wanted to become a part of europeia and intend to continue contributing what i can

You have to see the cognitive dissonance in wanting to contribute in Europeia because its legislature is one of the most active in NS and thinking Europeia is in its death throws, right? You can like something enough to want to be part of it or you can trash talk it to third parties. Unless you're a middle school mean girl, you can't really do both.

Fwiw you applied for Citizenship in Europeia two weeks ago and you have since posted once in a thread connected to legislating and only four times over all. Just to compare, you have at best "involved" yourself in legislating in Europeia once for each time you talked shit about Europeia in another region. That is not a great ratio. If you wanted to get active in legislating in Europeia, you have done a particularly bad job of it.

Edit: To give some additional color to that "posted once in a thread connected to legislating": Over that same period, three proposal were introduced, in a forum he would have been able to participate in, to overhaul the entire governmental system of Europeia (reform being a current buzzword in the region) and we elected a new legislature. The one post was not in any of these.

I completely agree I have not been active enough as I have RL stuff like GCSEs coming up. I've also not checked europeias forums enough, and the treaties I posted about seeing I got from Altino, if you dont believe me ask her. I have my own opinions about this issue between europeia and Osiris and there is no law against voicing them. you will notice I applied to join Europeians for reform to try and fox the problems I see in europeia. I really want to contribute to Europeia and dont wish to let issues between the two regions I am apart of prevent me from doing what little I can to help out in Europeia. If you, the President ,Attorney general or anyone else wants to talk to me in priviate about this you will notice I posted my discord id in my post replying to these baseless accusations on the Europeia forums.

[Consular]

That is a completely false accusation.

I joined europeia to participate in its legislature which is one of the most active in NS you will ntoice my first post other than my citizenship application was to contribute towards a legislative discussion, i had previously been a citizen but left earlier this year due to RL. Your treaties are not private, if i really wanted to spy on you I would have done thing worse than that, treaties are in the public domain and to say i used my citizenship masking to spy on you guys is quite simply incorrect. I wanted to become a part of europeia and was not aware of the movement to dissolve the treaty. I made my post in the Osiris forum knowing it was publicly visible as I had done nothing wrong. I really wanted to become a part of europeia and intend to continue contributing what i can

You have to see the cognitive dissonance in wanting to contribute in Europeia because its legislature is one of the most active in NS and thinking Europeia is in its death throws, right? You can like something enough to want to be part of it or you can trash talk it to third parties. Unless you're a middle school mean girl, you can't really do both.

Fwiw you applied for Citizenship in Europeia two weeks ago and you have since posted once in a thread connected to legislating and only four times over all. Just to compare, you have at best "involved" yourself in legislating in Europeia once for each time you talked shit about Europeia in another region. That is not a great ratio. If you wanted to get active in legislating in Europeia, you have done a particularly bad job of it.

Edit: To give some additional color to that "posted once in a thread connected to legislating": Over that same period, three proposal were introduced, in a forum he would have been able to participate in, to overhaul the entire governmental system of Europeia (reform being a current buzzword in the region) and we elected a new legislature. The one post was not in any of these.

Nothing you've said changes the fact that the dude wasn't spying on you -- despite the completely baseless accusation by Europeia that he was.

[Reventus Koth]

I know this might seem like a really radical concept, but have you guys considered that maybe driving away new members to your region is exactly why those same people make comments about Europeia falling off a cliff? Just food for thought there.