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Lord Dominator wrote:

Quebecshire wrote:but it’s nice to finally share it with the denizens of gameplay.

I assumed this would happen for quite awhile, I don't think this happening is so much news as them finally getting around to it.

Yee, performative rhetoric aside this was a routine barring of a dissident player so we wouldn't have to get around to it later, doesn't really change a whole lot & anyone could have seen it coming.

Malphe II wrote:

Lord Dominator wrote:I assumed this would happen for quite awhile, I don't think this happening is so much news as them finally getting around to it.

Yee, performative rhetoric aside this was a routine barring of a dissident player so we wouldn't have to get around to it later, doesn't really change a whole lot & anyone could have seen it coming.

Yeah even before I caught wind of it a few weeks ago I wasn’t remotely surprised. I’m just having a bit (a lot) of fun with it, because the way Koth went about it (the labels he gave me, the appearance/composition of the collage) gives me so much to work with!

This was clearly only done because the old trend of defenders quoting me in their sigs had gone out of fashion and I wanted to bring it back!

Reventus Koth wrote:This was clearly only done because the old trend of defenders quoting me in their sigs had gone out of fashion and I wanted to bring it back!

You called?

Three cheers for the most consensual PNG declaration ever.

Reventus Koth wrote:This was clearly only done because the old trend of defenders quoting me in their sigs had gone out of fashion and I wanted to bring it back!

Hey, if it had been some random saying it, I might've just given it a laugh and moved on. But you putting those labels on me actually has some weight to it.

Normally Osiris does not engage with provocations, but the unusually large scale of the ongoing campaign warrants a brief response for the purposes of clarity for our allies.

Earlier today a lengthy manifesto decrying the legitimacy of the Osiris Fraternal Order was published gameside on the NationStates Forums & a as Dispatch.

The points made in the manifesto are wide ranging & eclectic, claiming that the OFO is illegitimate because it is raider, or because of lowered delegate endorsements, or because it is apparently controlled by an old raider cabal, or, most disturbingly, because we have been having technical difficulties with our offsite forum hosting. These oscillate from moot to disconcerting, & don't resemble a coherent argument.

There is no inciting incident to this campaign besides the arguments presented in this manifesto, save that it furthers the interests of the publisher, who has been baselessly defaming Osiris on other mediums for months as part of a semi-ironic injoke. It is our hope that our allies & fellow regions will understand that this is a single element of a larger attempt to groundlessly delegitimize Osiris, & not a legitimate movement exercised in good faith.

Skies,
Pharaoh of Osiris

Hazel-Malphe,
Chief-Vizier of Osiris

Ark,
Vizier of Foreign Affairs

Osiris is Based

awesome issue, particularly loved Cretanja's article on their journey to joining Osiris - cool to see such a perspective

The article on astrology is total bollocks and where the author does cross the line over into astronomy, they still get it wrong.

There aren’t 88 constellations and the Zodiacal ones, there are 88 constellations total! Centaurus is a constellation which has stars greater than magnitude 6.5, not the constellation is greater than magnitude 6.5. Centaurus contains the closest bright star to our solar system - alpha Centauri, fourth brightest star in the sky. Proxima Centauri, part of the same system, is closest but is very faint. Centaurus is not an easy constellation to see, most of the stars are unexceptional and only the Pointers (alpha and beta Centauri) stand out.

They do get omega Centauri right, it is the biggest and brightest globular cluster visible in the night sky - absolutely stunning through a telescope. But the rest of the article is rubbish.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:The article on astrology is total bollocks

Spoken like someone whose ascendant is in Capricorn

Guess and Check wrote:awesome issue, particularly loved Cretanja's article on their journey to joining Osiris - cool to see such a perspective

Thank you greatly! I'm glad to hear you enjoyed reading it!

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:The article on astrology is total bollocks and where the author does cross the line over into astronomy, they still get it wrong.

There aren’t 88 constellations and the Zodiacal ones, there are 88 constellations total! Centaurus is a constellation which has stars greater than magnitude 6.5, not the constellation is greater than magnitude 6.5. Centaurus contains the closest bright star to our solar system - alpha Centauri, fourth brightest star in the sky. Proxima Centauri, part of the same system, is closest but is very faint. Centaurus is not an easy constellation to see, most of the stars are unexceptional and only the Pointers (alpha and beta Centauri) stand out.

They do get omega Centauri right, it is the biggest and brightest globular cluster visible in the night sky - absolutely stunning through a telescope. But the rest of the article is rubbish.

Astrology and Astronomy are two very different things, I agree. But the difference is blurred in particular when it comes to constellations, as both fields rely on them heavily.

Thank you for the correction. I personally know that there are only 88 constellations. The word "other" in that sentence is certainty my fault. I appreciate you for pointing that out to me. Regarding the rest of your statement: again, thank you for your opinion! While it isn't warranted to classify the entire article as "rubbish" solely because you disagree with the major contents of Astrology, you made some great points + and I enjoyed receiving your comment. <3

The governments of the West Pacific (TWP) and Lazarus are treatied allies of the Osiris Fraternal Order, the legitimate Osiran government: the Treaty of the Occident between TWP and Osiris has been active since 2017, and the Treaty of the Sun between Osiris and Lazarus since 2019. These two documents are built upon strong relations of friendship, and when one party is threatened by hostile forces, strong measures should also be taken.

In the day of 13th March 2022, Osiris was one of the targets of a declaration of war by The League, the founder of which had previously co-authored a baseless and inflammatory essay entitled “the Osiris Fraternal Order: A Failed State”. This displays a long-term pattern of hostility towards Osiris that will not go unpunished.

Therefore, TWP and Lazarus wish to reaffirm our commitment to Osiris’ defense, as spelled out in Article III of the Treaty of the Occident and of the Treaty of the Sun respectively, and will perform any further steps needed to ensure the stability of the legitimate Osiran government.

Furthermore, TWP and Lazarus will henceforth terminate all diplomatic and military relations with the League, by 1) withdrawing forum and gameside embassies, 2) recalling the respective ambassadors, and 3) ceasing to participate in any military operations hosted by the League and to invite them in operations hosted by either region.

Signed on 17th March 2022 by:

Lazarus, represented by:
Treadwellia, Delegate of Lazarus
Wang Yao, Managing Director of Lazarus
Custadia, Public Relations Director of Lazarus

Osiris, represented by:
Luna State, Pharaoh of Osiris
Arkadia Universalis, Foreign Affairs Vizier of Osiris


The West Pacific, represented by:
Giovanniland, Delegate of the West Pacific

This development is not particularly surprising (allies be allies, and all) and is understandable. Regardless, I find it amusing that the statement omits why The League chose to declare war and instead would have an unaware reader assuming there was a direct point A to point B line from the manifesto to the declaration. Granted, "we, a posse of griefers, senselessly destroyed a treaty ally of The League for kicks" kind of undermines the narrative you're trying to set, so I get it.

We wish the best to TWP and Lazarus despite this development. Otherwise, OFO delenda est.

Arkadia Universalis wrote:In the day of 13th March 2022, Osiris was one of the targets of a declaration of war by The League, the founder of which had previously co-authored a baseless and inflammatory essay entitled “the Osiris Fraternal Order: A Failed State”. This displays a long-term pattern of hostility towards Osiris that will not go unpunished.

Let us be very clear here, this conflict began not because of Quebec's desire to see the end of the OFO, he co-authored a manifesto against the OFO as a private individual, alongside a private individual from another region. The diplomatic and military actions against the OFO were a response to direct and unprovoked aggression by the OFO against a treaty ally of The League and they alone are responsible for the outbreak of hostilities, to frame this as aggression by TL is nonsensical.

Arkadia Universalis wrote:Furthermore, TWP and Lazarus will henceforth terminate all diplomatic and military relations with the League, by 1) withdrawing forum and gameside embassies, 2) recalling the respective ambassadors, and 3) ceasing to participate in any military operations hosted by the League and to invite them in operations hosted by either region.

This is a shame, but we understand that this isn't a decision TWP or Lazarus will have taken lightly based upon their treaty obligations.

Is Lazarus still trying to stay strictly neutral in NSGP?

Glad to see Lazarus and The West Pacific, two likeminded regions, stand together to defend their ally’s sovereignty.

The Tirol Region wrote:

Arkadia Universalis wrote:In the day of 13th March 2022, Osiris was one of the targets of a declaration of war by The League, the founder of which had previously co-authored a baseless and inflammatory essay entitled “the Osiris Fraternal Order: A Failed State”. This displays a long-term pattern of hostility towards Osiris that will not go unpunished.

Let us be very clear here, this conflict began not because of Quebec's desire to see the end of the OFO, he co-authored a manifesto against the OFO as a private individual, alongside a private individual from another region. The diplomatic and military actions against the OFO were a response to direct and unprovoked aggression by the OFO against a treaty ally of The League and they alone are responsible for the outbreak of hostilities, to frame this as aggression by TL is nonsensical.

the league's continued pushing of this line is very ironic, considering I'm pretty sure everyone knows damn well that if a member of the council of hawks or whatever wrote a manifesto like that you would 100% be claiming it represents the views as TBH as a whole (possibly even raiderdom as a whole, considering how you tend to respond to these things). just stop. yall know that this line is bullshit just as well as anyone else, you don't need to try to push it every time someone brings up the manifesto.

Wascoitan wrote:

The Tirol Region wrote:
Let us be very clear here, this conflict began not because of Quebec's desire to see the end of the OFO, he co-authored a manifesto against the OFO as a private individual, alongside a private individual from another region. The diplomatic and military actions against the OFO were a response to direct and unprovoked aggression by the OFO against a treaty ally of The League and they alone are responsible for the outbreak of hostilities, to frame this as aggression by TL is nonsensical.

the league's continued pushing of this line is very ironic, considering I'm pretty sure everyone knows damn well that if a member of the council of hawks or whatever wrote a manifesto like that you would 100% be claiming it represents the views as TBH as a whole (possibly even raiderdom as a whole, considering how you tend to respond to these things). just stop. yall know that this line is bullshit just as well as anyone else, you don't need to try to push it every time someone brings up the manifesto.

The immediate need to pull on hypotheticals that have not and likely will not happen to justify your argument doesn't bode well. Traditionally irony doesn't depend upon something that "you [we] would 100% be claiming". Please, elaborate as to how we "tend to respond to these things" with preferably some form of idk, evidence or justification. Even if you assume your bogus argument is true, that we would react in that way if for example someone created a region called TL Delenda Est, that still wouldn't justify you in doing the same. If TL government claims oranges are actually purple that doesn't mean that the OFO is justified in claiming the Eiffel Tower is pink, its a nonsensical argument.

Why can't we all just be friends

Minskiev wrote:Why can't we all just be friends

Because that’s not how a game centered around politicking works.

Ereh wrote:

Minskiev wrote:Why can't we all just be friends

Because that’s not how a game centered around politicking works.

Politicians have friends. Ever heard of corruption?

Minskiev wrote:

Ereh wrote:
Because that’s not how a game centered around politicking works.

Politicians have friends. Ever heard of corruption?

Can’t say I’ve met her.