Osiris | Danburg Seized!

[Lucy in the Air with Carbon]

I love how if it was just Sygian this argument would be completely delusional, but you're attempting to minimize the rudeness by saying only 40% of it counts. Sure it's nothing big, but it's incredibly rude, they denied Pharaoh orders just to execute it, and it's undoubtedly a bad look. "That some may not consider good" Aegis, get out from behind this puppet of yours and tell me that you think only some people find that to be bad PR, several region members collectively (including an FA official) spamming an RMB and mocking the government.

First of all... what difference would it make that I use this nation to say what I have said/what I think?... It's... not like I'm hiding who I am or anything? What a wild take... Drink some water or something damn

As for the rest of that outburst... actually... once again what a wild take...
Where did I minimize the rudeness of it? I did point out some people would find it bad, that's the closest it comes to that topic (and even that was barely actually about wether or not it was rude)... Other than that what I was responding to was the claim that this showed the Osi government was incapable of doing something... The rudeness of it is something that doesn't really factor in much.
And a few citizens not always doing what the head of the region asks them to, especially outside the region, is somewhat expected to happen at times, and doesn't necessarily say all that much about the head of the region or the region themselves... I genuinely hope everyone in leadership is at least minimally aware of that o.o

And on that note uh... yeh sure I'll tell you that only some people find that to be bad, or bad PR. Did you think I'd go back in it and that I didn't actually mean that or something?......
Are you like somehow under the impression PR is only ever about being nice and good? 'Cause if you are... I mean... just good luck and godspeed to you I guess?


Anyway I suggest everyone go enjoy the music instead, life's easier that way... and look at that, good thing I didn't switch nations this one is like the perfect choice for this!

[Minskiev]

I love how if it was just Sygian this argument would be completely delusional, but you're attempting to minimize the rudeness by saying only 40% of it counts. Sure it's nothing big, but it's incredibly rude, they denied Pharaoh orders just to execute it, and it's undoubtedly a bad look. "That some may not consider good" Aegis, get out from behind this puppet of yours and tell me that you think only some people find that to be bad PR, several region members collectively (including an FA official) spamming an RMB and mocking the government.

Where did I minimize the rudeness of it?

“1 and a half(?) representatives having a (relatively small) reaction that some may not consider good, right?” Specifically “relatively small” and “some”. Because it was still an FA representative, tasked with showing that the region is a good diplomatic partner and can be professional, having a wholly unprofessional, unequivocally poor reaction to Lazarus’ decision. It’s not only “some” who consider it bad. Everyone. Everyone thinks that acting like an elementary schooler, as Sygian put it, is bad PR. Nobody wishes to work with elementary schoolers. Why do you think Hazel told people not to do that after the 1st time?

I did point out some people would find it bad, that's the closest it comes to that topic

So we are on the same page after all.

And a few citizens not always doing what the head of the region asks them to, especially outside the region, is somewhat expected to happen at times, and doesn't necessarily say all that much about the head of the region or the region themselves... I genuinely hope everyone in leadership is at least minimally aware of that o.o

It isn’t “a few citizens”, it’s a fucking FA official. Their whole job is “don’t make your region look bad” and he made his region look bad. He is a representative of Osiris. What he does reflects onto Osiris. It *does* say a lot about the region. The region’s head? Maybe less, although I’m sure Quebec would argue with me on that.

And on that note uh... yeh sure I'll tell you that only some people find that to be bad, or bad PR. Did you think I'd go back in it and that I didn't actually mean that or something?......
Are you like somehow under the impression PR is only ever about being nice and good? 'Cause if you are... I mean... just good luck and godspeed to you I guess?

FA is about being professional, not nice and good. Vara has perhaps never been “nice and good” to non-allies on the forums and yet he is an outstanding FA official. There are many ways to professionally handle a breakdown of relations. If Ark is correct in that this move was unexpected and disingenuous, then I can understand something professionally scathing. Hazel’s statement was good enough, although some may see a “you can’t fire me I quit” aspect to it. Whining on their RMB is not a professional way to handle the situation.

You don’t have to be professional all the time, mind you. But in FA, and especially in PR-sensitive cases, you do. And finally, “unprofessional” =/= casual. It means childish.

[The Sygian]

Minskiev, the RMB post has clearly set you off, so I apologize for any hurt feelings! However, I think anyone who is convinced that this is worse than abruptly pulling out of a treaty without notice (especially despite coming to a different solution after weeks of discussion) has a pretty skewed idea of foreign affairs/PR and a negative predisposition toward Osiris. And frankly, for those reasons, I neither value nor care for their opinion.

Those that can see right through the bullshit that you and others have been droning on about as of late... those are the folks I think Osiris can (and will) continue to thrive from.

Thanks for your strong opinions. As always, you've made your point very clear. I will now direct you to Osiris' happy song playlist.

EDIT: Before anyone starts acting up again, this post reflects my own opinion! Not the opinion of Osiris, the Pharaoh, the citizenry, etc.!

[Quebecshire]

I don’t know how anyone can look at the last ~2 weeks in Osiran foreign standing and conclude you’re "thriving" - it’s frankly a fascinating level to delusion to argue that. You’ve lost your oldest alliance, the one which provided you a lot of your connections and protection under Pax Polaris Occidens, as well as every other GCR relationship save an NAP with TRR.

It’s honestly the largest setback a GCR (or possibly any region) has incurred since the New Pacific Order in 2018. I would encourage some introspection, but your continued behavior and attitude only stands to benefit my goals and further vindicate me, so by all means, continue.

[Minskiev]

Minskiev, the RMB post has clearly set you off, so I apologize for any hurt feelings! However, I think anyone who is convinced that this is worse than abruptly pulling out of a treaty without notice (especially despite coming to a different solution after weeks of discussion) has a pretty skewed idea of foreign affairs/PR and a negative predisposition toward Osiris. And frankly, for those reasons, I neither value nor care for their opinion.

You have me mistaken if you think I find those RMB posts worse. I think they were unprofessional but as far as what’s bigger in effect, and assuming Osiris’ recounting of events is correct, then I think motioning to pull out of a treaty abruptly after two weeks of productive discussion is worse and disingenuous. Personally speaking, and this doesn’t represent TRR’s view on the matter.

[The Church of Satan]

Unprofessional? If it were something that was clearly petty, such as "we didn't want you anyway, nerds" I might agree with such a position. But such tame posts could hardly be construed as unprofessional, within reason.I think some people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

The exception of course being Altinsane's RMB post. That was unprofessional. But really it's not a big deal. Just cements Lazarus' position, from a diplomatic perspective.

[Devious]

I think some people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

in fairness, this is hardly news
making mountains out of molehills has been the MO of certain regions/individuals for years

[Madjack]

I think some people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

in fairness, this is hardly news
making mountains out of molehills has been the MO of certain regions/individuals for years

Call them out directly, rather than vague posting lol.

[Tinhampton]

I don’t know how anyone can look at the last ~2 weeks in Osiran foreign standing and conclude you’re "thriving" - it’s frankly a fascinating level to delusion to argue that. You’ve lost your oldest alliance, the one which provided you a lot of your connections and protection under Pax Polaris Occidens, as well as every other GCR relationship save an NAP with TRR.

It’s honestly the largest setback a GCR (or possibly any region) has incurred since the New Pacific Order in 2018...

The NPO caused (or at least allowed) spying on other GCRs for years. The OFO... signed a treaty. They didn't directly do anything; they just had diplomatic relations with a region that toyed with ousting Balder's government. Seriously...

[The Church of Satan]

The NPO caused (or at least allowed) spying on other GCRs for years. The OFO... signed a treaty. They didn't directly do anything; they just had diplomatic relations with a region that toyed with ousting Balder's government. Seriously...

Exactly. For what little it's does for them in the face of this united effort to punish Osiris for another region's thought crime, Osiris has the moral high ground.

Sorry, Quebec, but you don't get to start a crusade and be righteous at the same time, heh.

[Quebecshire]

I’m not commenting on the events that caused it - I’m merely pointing out that this is the largest setback a GCR has gone through since then. Is that really all that contested as a point? I wasn’t really Im GP in 2019/20, so feel free to come up with some other examples, but I think that’s a fairly inoffensive analysis to make. It’s just a comment about how this is a substantial change for Osiris. Whether you agree with it or not, Osiris has faced a huge setback.

Also, my "crusade" is the results of varyingly abetting wrongdoing from Osiris, so I’m not sure how I could be in the wrong for exposing something that they can’t so much as condemn at all.

[The Church of Satan]

Also, my "crusade" is the results of varyingly abetting wrongdoing from Osiris, so I’m not sure how I could be in the wrong for exposing something that they can’t so much as condemn at all.

I mean, show me what crime Osiris did in this whole stupid mess. I'll wait.

[Quebecshire]

Also, my "crusade" is the results of varyingly abetting wrongdoing from Osiris, so I’m not sure how I could be in the wrong for exposing something that they can’t so much as condemn at all.

I mean, show me what crime Osiris did in this whole stupid mess. I'll wait.

This has been covered across numerous posts, especially official statements, but sure, we can walk through it again.

Before we begin, we should note a few things. It's less about committing an objective "crime" and more about a number of regions deciding it is no longer in their interests to associate with or be on friendly terms with Osiris. The factors vary somewhat between regions that cut Osiris off, but we can assume a shared factor to be "insufficient reaction to Operation Ragnarok" (though the situation with Lazarus seems more complicated, so we'll focus on ones prior to that here). This insufficient reaction includes but is probably not limited to official silence, doubling down on the Covenant of Set with BoM, and Ark's shitposting in the Ragnarok thread despite Osiris' non-addressing of the issue.

So to start: objectively speaking (as has been confirmed by Koth), Operation Ragnarok involved intent by BoM to depose the recognized government of Balder, and was carried out to the extent of plan formulation and sleeper insertion.

As someone who does not like Balder to a paranoid and deluded extent, you may not agree that Osiris not reacting to it is concerning. However, consider that three of the regions which cut agreements or relations with Osiris off (The West Pacific, The North Pacific, and Europeia) are all allied to Balder. In the case of the South Pacific, they have a non-aggression pact with Balder (and have been improving relations with the region steadily since early 2021) and an active proscription against The Black Hawks. With those in mind, it is not difficult to ascertain what led to their termination of the detente (they even explicitly stated both these reasons in their statement).

I think if you detach yourself from your biases for a brief moment, it is not unreasonable to conclude that regions with mutual recognition (TSP) and defense obligations (TWP, TNP, Europeia) to Balder may find Osiris' silence, or active support of BoM despite this, to be concerning. Especially so when Osiris and BoM share crossmembership of significant figures, and at times, leaders.

At the end of the day, your perspective seems to be incapable of seeing those outside of it. You seem pretty blinded by your hatred for Balder, when really it should not be difficult to see why these regions decided having a relationship with Osiris was no longer in their interests. I doubt any of them wanted this, otherwise it would have been done long ago. Osiris can lay in the bed it has made.

[The Church of Satan]

I mean, show me what crime Osiris did in this whole stupid mess. I'll wait.

This has been covered across numerous posts, especially official statements, but sure, we can walk through it again.

Before we begin, we should note a few things. It's less about committing an objective "crime" and more about a number of regions deciding it is no longer in their interests to associate with or be on friendly terms with Osiris. The factors vary somewhat between regions that cut Osiris off, but we can assume a shared factor to be "insufficient reaction to Operation Ragnarok" (though the situation with Lazarus seems more complicated, so we'll focus on ones prior to that here). This insufficient reaction includes but is probably not limited to official silence, doubling down on the Covenant of Set with BoM, and Ark's shitposting in the Ragnarok thread despite Osiris' non-addressing of the issue.

So to start: objectively speaking (as has been confirmed by Koth), Operation Ragnarok involved intent by BoM to depose the recognized government of Balder, and was carried out to the extent of plan formulation and sleeper insertion.

As someone who does not like Balder to a paranoid and deluded extent, you may not agree that Osiris not reacting to it is concerning. However, consider that three of the regions which cut agreements or relations with Osiris off (The West Pacific, The North Pacific, and Europeia) are all allied to Balder. In the case of the South Pacific, they have a non-aggression pact with Balder (and have been improving relations with the region steadily since early 2021) and an active proscription against The Black Hawks. With those in mind, it is not difficult to ascertain what led to their termination of the detente (they even explicitly stated both these reasons in their statement).

I think if you detach yourself from your biases for a brief moment, it is not unreasonable to conclude that regions with mutual recognition (TSP) and defense obligations (TWP, TNP, Europeia) to Balder may find Osiris' silence, or active support of BoM despite this, to be concerning. Especially so when Osiris and BoM share crossmembership of significant figures, and at times, leaders.

At the end of the day, your perspective seems to be incapable of seeing those outside of it. You seem pretty blinded by your hatred for Balder, when really it should not be difficult to see why these regions decided having a relationship with Osiris was no longer in their interests. I doubt any of them wanted this, otherwise it would have been done long ago. Osiris can lay in the bed it has made.

So Osiris'foreign policy is not to your liking. It's not the way you want it to be. They don't think the way you do. They don't speak the way you want them to. Thus, it's somehow wrong. Got it.

As to my bias against Balder, I did attempt to make peace between Balder and TRR in the past. I even ran a campaign for Officer with that goal as part of it. Balder was unwilling to pursue peace. Despite the objections from people such as Fratt and Guy, whose influence in TRR is not small, I wanted to mend the mistakes of the past. Balder are the ones who decided this bias for me. Because they chose to cling to it like a security blanket. My bias against Balder ends the second they finally let go of the grudges they've held for the last decade and make peace with TRR. It is up to them.

[Lucy in the Air with Carbon]

-gods I'll just snip it all-

Wait so is this about being rude and how I minimized how rude it was, or is it not actually about being rude, it's about being unprofessional?... I mean are you sure that it isn't actually about making bad waffles or something?...

But I'll indulge one last time...
At that point Osiris and Lazarus were basically no longer connected diplomatically, and the Osi people felt scorned. Having an adverse reaction is not that out there, and it's definitely not like a war crime or something... And even so if you take some time to read, maybe while drinking that water as I suggested, you'd see that Syg's reaction not being the best and all is the one point I'm willing to give to Quebec, you know with the whole stating that Sygian is in fact a representative and all that... And if you make me point out ever again that I'm giving any credit to Queb I'm pretty sure I will be inclined to commit crimes.

Anyway I also don't think it was that big a deal tho. It was one relatively mild comment, by one official, in what seems to be the smelliest of those recent diplomatic incidents between Osi and other regions, since they had the whole thing with the treaty and all. (...if you genuinely think a "I wouldn't wanna be ya" thrown at someone you are severely displeased with, while also having to deal with a barrage of other unpleasant incidents, is not mild... I don't even know what to tell you, 'cause I can't save you at that point.)

And uh, no you do not have to be totally "professional" all the time even in FA and PR... Or do you think that for example going "NPO DELENDA EST" at every chance they had when everyone turned against NPO was all that professional? (grabbing that topic that was mentioned around here) 'Cause that was something that everyone and their mother got behind, and no one seemed to have a problem with... Well maybe NPO did have a problem with it, but I don't think that'd have been because of the unprofessionalism of it all.
Anyway, I see the comments left by the Osiris peeps in this case as being around the same level of professionalism, hell maybe even slightly more professional, than those were back in the day... well at least the ones that... aren't actually calling for the destruction of a region. One major difference being that back then people were actually "at war" with the NPO and here they were just sour relations. Which again, is why I still don't think it was really maybe the most appropriate reaction... But also don't think it needs to be that blown out of proportion either, which was exactly what Quebec was trying to do in that first post about this that I responded to, and what you are continuing to do now lol
Like while I might even think it was a not the best reaction, I certainly don't think it's something that Osi itself should be blasted about, at most blast Syg about it (sorry Syg but ya know =P)... Tho even that I think doesn't need to go all that far, especially not as far as it is/was (trying to get) going here, as I'm sure no one is immune to making mistakes in this game or in anything really... And also, very importantly, because, once again, it was not that big a reaction and it was certainly not coming out of nowhere either.

Hate to parrot previously said points but: Mountain out of molehill.


(Oh also unprofessional actually means anything that... isn't up to professional standards. Or otherwise known as: The opposite of professional. This includes casual. As it does childish. Not sure why you felt the need to try and redefine words here really.)

[Tim-Opolis]

It’s honestly hard to tell who has a worse grasp of the present reality - Church of Satan or Osiris themselves.

2018 called, it wants its meta back. Just because you’ve been entirely absentee doesn't mean shit hasn’t changed. Stop embarrassing your peers by being blindly stuck in the past, with a clear lack of understanding of modern dynamics.

[Myuri]

It’s honestly hard to tell who has a worse grasp of the present reality - Church of Satan or Osiris themselves.

2018 called, it wants its meta back. Just because you’ve been entirely absentee doesn't mean shit hasn’t changed. Stop embarrassing your peers by being blindly stuck in the past, with a clear lack of understanding of modern dynamics.

Based on other threads in GP at the moment, the 2018 meta was apparently TWP subverting TSP. That's surely what you mean here, right? lol.

[The Church of Satan]

Please, this is nothing new. Even your tactics here mirror the NPO's diplomatic isolation last time they were caught subverting a GCR. The details may change, ever so slightly, but the methods remain the same.

[Lundy Island]

[nor is imperialism an ideology Balder subscribes to

Hahahahahahaha! You're serious here, right? You gotta be kidding me! I can't believe you actually said that! That is hilarious! Know your history, Bloodred Pup. Imperialism is the only ideology Balder has ever subscribed to. Go back 8 years and take a look at the United Imperial Armed Forces thread. You'll notice that their Imperial Military Council was led by NES and Onder. They are imperialism. Guess who runs Balder with an iron fist? That's right, it's NES and Onder! Of course, Balder was always a close ally to the UIAF as well. I wonder why that is?

[John Klein]

I mean, show me what crime Osiris did in this whole stupid mess. I'll wait.

This has been covered across numerous posts, especially official statements, but sure, we can walk through it again.

Before we begin, we should note a few things. It's less about committing an objective "crime" and more about a number of regions deciding it is no longer in their interests to associate with or be on friendly terms with Osiris. The factors vary somewhat between regions that cut Osiris off, but we can assume a shared factor to be "insufficient reaction to Operation Ragnarok" (though the situation with Lazarus seems more complicated, so we'll focus on ones prior to that here). This insufficient reaction includes but is probably not limited to official silence, doubling down on the Covenant of Set with BoM, and Ark's shitposting in the Ragnarok thread despite Osiris' non-addressing of the issue.

So to start: objectively speaking (as has been confirmed by Koth), Operation Ragnarok involved intent by BoM to depose the recognized government of Balder, and was carried out to the extent of plan formulation and sleeper insertion.

As someone who does not like Balder to a paranoid and deluded extent, you may not agree that Osiris not reacting to it is concerning. However, consider that three of the regions which cut agreements or relations with Osiris off (The West Pacific, The North Pacific, and Europeia) are all allied to Balder. In the case of the South Pacific, they have a non-aggression pact with Balder (and have been improving relations with the region steadily since early 2021) and an active proscription You can, by the way, play slots online for real money Canada to fun your travels. against The Black Hawks. With those in mind, it is not difficult to ascertain what led to their termination of the detente (they even explicitly stated both these reasons in their statement).

I think if you detach yourself from your biases for a brief moment, it is not unreasonable to conclude that regions with mutual recognition (TSP) and defense obligations (TWP, TNP, Europeia) to Balder may find Osiris' silence, or active support of BoM despite this, to be concerning. Especially so when Osiris and BoM share crossmembership of significant figures, and at times, leaders.

At the end of the day, your perspective seems to be incapable of seeing those outside of it. You seem pretty blinded by your hatred for Balder, when really it should not be difficult to see why these regions decided having a relationship with Osiris was no longer in their interests. I doubt any of them wanted this, otherwise it would have been done long ago. Osiris can lay in the bed it has made.

I agree with you in some respects..

[AthatronDEAT]

Sekhmet Legion raid report- Minor update of 29/8/2022



Today we went for 1 target.

Sekhmet Legionnaires Present

Deputy Moshir Big Boyz
Ra'id Athatrondeasia (waited in the target for 9 hours)
Jondi All Mummified Things

Raids (1)

Esterois

[Quebecshire]

Honestly, at this point, a coup is just doing you a merciful favor.

[Tartan]

Why do you keep going after the same target lmao. Can you not find any other targets to raid?

[Jewish Underground State]

This is like a micro update.

[Minskiev]

100% winrate, nice.