Osiris | Danburg Seized!

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Its funny to me that you're so invested in how raiding should be when you're not a raider. Things are not and likely will not be like "the good old days" again. The game has changed so much since then.
But as LD said, by all means if you're so insistent that a raider org should work how you think it should, feel free to join an org and try to make the change yourself

Then play it yourself. We're not obligated to make this game fun for you, just as defenders have no obligation to make raiding easy for us.

To quote the wisdom of Moltar,

"Alright, listen up. Today, we are talking about something very important. Villains, bad guys, the heavies. Webster defines a villain as "truly malicious, a scoundrel." We don’t get enough credit. What’s a hero without a villain? Bad guys make life more interesting. My favorite bad guy (besides myself) is Lotor. Remember him? He seems kind of wimpy, but he’s got personality. And let’s not forget Mumm-ra. Another one of my favorites. You know it’s not easy going out there to make the world unsafe for superheroes. They always seem to come out on top. Being a villain is a thankless job, but we always have more fun along the way. That’s what being bad is all about."

I'm the "good guy" at heart. The good guys need a truly bad villain to inspire them and future good guys. You're our motivation, raiders! Without you, what point is there to us and everything we do? Our voraciousness is derived from your own.

We owe you nothing, and we will do as we please.

Any further questions?

[Arkadia Universalis]

~snip~

I'm the "good guy" at heart. The good guys need a truly bad villain to inspire them and future good guys. You're our motivation, raiders! Without you, what point is there to us and everything we do? Our voraciousness is derived from your own.

You managed to orbit around the correct conclusion without actually landing on it. Incredible.

(bold is my own for clarity.)

[The Church of Satan]

We owe you nothing, and we will do as we please.

Any further questions?

Who said anything about debts? Just as defenders depend on raiders, so to is the reverse true. Without adequate opponents, could you really enjoy raiding? Would it not become so painfully dull? Don't you find this stalemate that R/D is in to be so inadequate?

[Zeorus]

We owe you nothing, and we will do as we please.

Any further questions?

Who said anything about debts? Just as defenders depend on raiders, so to is the reverse true. Without adequate opponents, could you really enjoy raiding? Would it not become so painfully dull? Don't you find this stalemate that R/D is in to be so inadequate?

You're the only one who seems to be of the opinion that there's a stalemate.

The rest of us are happy to continue doing what we're doing for good times, balls moments, and old-fashioned family fun

[Zizou]

Why can't we all just be friends

Based Pax-Minskievian ideology

[Klaus Devestatorie]

We owe you nothing, and we will do as we please.

Any further questions?

Who said anything about debts? Just as defenders depend on raiders, so to is the reverse true. Without adequate opponents, could you really enjoy raiding? Would it not become so painfully dull? Don't you find this stalemate that R/D is in to be so inadequate?

I think if all defenders vanished tomorrow, the idea would turn up organically again, just like how it did originally. Frankly, the way the game developed has made the entire thing too closed for the average goober group to get involved anyway- even just getting competitively useful update times is an enormous technical investment if you're doing it from scratch by yourself.

Also,

[Lord Dominator]

Ah right, forgot about your “plan” to coup the raider region that typically does the least raiding.

Since when does this change anything? I seem to recall Miravana gloating about raiding Warzone Europe since it is "defender aligned" - when one of its members had attended one liberation.

Osiris is a raider region.
It has the invader tag and supports invasions.
It is run, nay, vassalized, by raiders.
It is piling for a griefing operation as we speak.
It shares a base of operations with three other griefing regions.

The infrequency by which it raids, which is inversely related to the competence and activity of its government at a given moment, is irrelevant. If The Black Hawks, Lone Wolves United, or The Brotherhood of Malice went founderless tomorrow, I would raid it. BoM hadn't raided since 2015 until very recently, and I still would've raided it if given the opportunity between then and its revival. Why should Osiris be given special treatment? It won't be.

A raider region is a raider region, and a griefer region is a griefer region. Osiris is no exception.

I think you missed you my combined sarcasm about the actual utility of doing so to the defender cause (very minimal) and your ability to do so (also minimal) - especially without hurting it more.

It is run, nay, vassalized, by raiders.

Lol

[The Church of Satan]

How is it that so many raiders lack vision? Is the status quo really so "enough" that they can't envision anything beyond it? It's so disappointing. So...uncreative. Even more so from those whom have seen it in action.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Lol k.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

How is it that so many raiders lack vision? Is the status quo really so "enough" that they can't envision anything beyond it? It's so disappointing. So...uncreative. Even more so from those whom have seen it in action.

Why would we fulfil your vision?

[The Church of Satan]

Ever-wandering Souls and Klaus Devestatorie, champions of peace and order. How's that for a surprise? You'd make good Grey Wardens. O_O

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Ever-wandering Souls and Klaus Devestatorie, champions of peace and order. How's that for a surprise?

You might be surprised about what I have led the charge on in the past- like eliminating forum destruction, back when that was a huge issue with several malevolent actors and not just a niche accusation people would opportunistically trot out against people they didn't like.

By the way- I get it. I've often wished for someone to show up and try and be a true "villain". I've even considered doing it myself, but I'm well aware that I'm largely incompetent and out of touch, and don't have the friends I'd need to set up the driving organization. But even if that wasn't true, it's just too much work, and all you're actually usually doing is giving people the opportunity to feel morally superior and let off steam at a metaphorical stoning. The game is instead made up of various shades of grey, and if you don't like it, you're going to have to deal with it.

Now let's give Osiris their thread back, hmm?

[Venico The Night Father]

yes I am aware this is like, 2 days late, I do not care.

Better late than never, glad to see the newbs and old farts stretching our legs. I'll have to catch the next one!

[Dawn Denac]

Random vision and 'burning' talk aside, I'm looking forward to doing more with Osiris (both raids and otherwise, ya'll are cool).

[The North Polish Union]

Ever-wandering Souls and Klaus Devestatorie, champions of peace and order. How's that for a surprise?

You might be surprised about what I have led the charge on in the past- like eliminating forum destruction, back when that was a huge issue with several malevolent actors and not just a niche accusation people would opportunistically trot out against people they didn't like.

By the way- I get it. I've often wished for someone to show up and try and be a true "villain". I've even considered doing it myself, but I'm well aware that I'm largely incompetent and out of touch, and don't have the friends I'd need to set up the driving organization. But even if that wasn't true, it's just too much work, and all you're actually usually doing is giving people the opportunity to feel morally superior and let off steam at a metaphorical stoning. The game is instead made up of various shades of grey, and if you don't like it, you're going to have to deal with it.

Now let's give Osiris their thread back, hmm?

Some of us that are willing to be 'true villains' are also aware that we've been assholes enough in the past that most people aren't going to join up. This is actually one of the issues with being a "true villain'; you have to be willing to be at least some degree of a jerk and that can push potential recruits away.

[Varanius]

A little odd to be plotting a GCR coup in their own thread, but okay.

That would infer there’s any plotting going on, instead of what this actually is: a sad attempt at agitating a wonderful community by individuals who would probably give themselves away shitposting about it before they actually did any damage.

[Drop Your Pants]

We owe you nothing, and we will do as we please.

Any further questions?

I'm sure that sounded cooler in your head

Come back to the retirement home with the rest of us fossils, you're missing poptart thursday.

[Quebecshire]

you're missing poptart thursday.

Now that's an incentive to retire!

[Klaus Devestatorie]

We owe you nothing, and we will do as we please.

Any further questions?

I'm sure that sounded cooler in your head

Come back to the retirement home with the rest of us fossils, you're missing poptart thursday.

I've had a poptart once. I can't think of a stronger incentive to stay unretired.

[The Church of Satan]

I've had a poptart once. I can't think of a stronger incentive to stay unretired.

Lean Pockets.

[Mallorea and Riva]

The thread will now move inexorably back to its topic. Thanks all.

[Quebecshire]

Well, it appears I have been declared persona non grata from the Osiris Fraternal Order. I’ve known about this for a couple of weeks (Koth himself proposed it on February 1st) but it’s nice to finally share it with the denizens of gameplay.

Now, you might be thinking “but Quebecshire, Osiris hasn’t published the thread where they debated this, so we’ve been deprived of the comedy” - and right you would be. But, I am a man of the people: Let them have leaks!

First off, below is Koth’s original post to the thread where he proposes it. I quite like the collage, personally. Very artsy.

I want to keep this pretty simple. There is a veritable corpus of evidence that Quebecshire, Consul of The League and Warden-Lieutenant of The Order of the Grey Wardens, fully intends to seek the (in-character) violent destruction and dissolution of the Osiris Fraternal Order. He posts to this end near-daily in the NSGP Discord server, and has now begun saying as much in the OFO forum embassy proper.

While we know other defenders to be “in on the joke” and often playing off of Quebec’s antics, I do not believe anyone else to have demonstrated nearly as much of a commitment to our destruction as Quebecshire. He may be the most antagonistic opponent to the OFO in its entire history, and we have declared players PNG for far less than Quebec. Here is a mere sampling of his declarations of intent:

NSGP Discord Collage

It would be frankly hypocritical to not at least bring this up for discussion, given the comparatively low bar for PNG status when we look at some of the other people on our list. I anticipate that I may receive a bit of backlash for kicking a metaphorical tiger here, but Osiris needs to stand up for itself in the face of this taunting by a public face of the powerful defender faction. His rhetoric against our regime and our Pharaoh should not be permitted to take root in the public mind, and we should not appear weak in the face of his (in-character) verbal abuse.

I submit to my fellow Osirans that we need to take a stand and declare Quebecshire persona non grata.

Next, I apologize for my misleading comments about Osiris. As you can see in Koth’s collage, I posted a meme in which I implied I would eject 17 “active native citizens” from Osiris after couping the region. However, despite the issue of proscribing “the most antagonistic opponent to the OFO in its entire history” being on the table for three weeks, only 14 citizens voted. I deeply apologize for ever suggesting that Osiris could have as many as 17 active citizens.

I am two things above all else. A defender and a userite. To be proscribed as the “most antagonistic opponent” with the most “commitment to the destruction” of the Osiris Fraternal Order (the sole region that is both game created and invader) as a “metaphorical tiger” is a higher honor than any glory, award, or other political recognition I could feasibly achieve at this time.

I sincerely hope, Koth, that I am able to live up to those labels you have bestowed upon me.

[Matthew the Man]

It's Biblical. No more malarkey in Osiris. I'll see you all on the 17th of September, '23.

[Lord Dominator]

but it’s nice to finally share it with the denizens of gameplay.

I assumed this would happen for quite awhile, I don't think this happening is so much news as them finally getting around to it.

I deeply apologize for ever suggesting that Osiris could have as many as 17 active citizens.

I am two things above all else. A defender and a userite.

You fool, you're summoning Pergamon back!

[RiderSyl]

You fool, you're summoning Pergamon back!

Too late.

Quebecshire is Pergamon.

It's why he wants to destroy Osiris so badly. He's just tackling it from the userite side this time.