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by Neo Domais » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:53 am
by Pierconium » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:56 am
Yokiria wrote:It could not as easily be removed at a later stage as the leave-of-absence, classed as a ban, that Pergamon is on at the moment. It would not be as insulting, either.
Yokiria wrote:Correction: It is both.
by Neo Domais » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:58 am
No we want the NPO to cease trying to control all of its fellow GCR's and some UCR'sPierconium wrote:Right, so you want Pergamon 'banned' whatever that means and you want to have Osiris to maintain external control of another GCR regions internal politics. That sounds...oddly familiar. Why are we fighting this supposed war again?
by Kurnugia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:09 am
Neo Domais wrote:Go Osiris, nice statement, Pergamon needs to be perma banned from the NPO on CN, NS and PW.
by Pierconium » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:10 am
Neo Domais wrote:No we want the NPO to cease trying to control all of its fellow GCR's and some UCR'sPierconium wrote:Right, so you want Pergamon 'banned' whatever that means and you want to have Osiris to maintain external control of another GCR regions internal politics. That sounds...oddly familiar. Why are we fighting this supposed war again?
by Neo Domais » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:14 am
I'm no, no I do not just stating what I think. I'm fighting alongside them and yes the NPO is to be dismantled. If the NPO would have just followed the demands of the NS GP community I wouldn't wish for that. My statement was to show that you have no right to complain about us opposing you and wishing for the end of the NPO, when you have and will continue to try to install puppet states in various regions.Pierconium wrote:Interesting. Do you speak for Osiris? I'm just curious because this is not what the declaration of war states at all. It very clearly indicates the desire to see the NPO dismantled, the sovereignty of the Pacific compromised, and any future governmental actions overseen.
by Xoriet » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:16 am
by Neo Domais » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:18 am
by Big Bad Badger » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:33 am
Pierconium wrote:Oh, now there is a whole region of Quixotes.
by Pierconium » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:40 am
Big Bad Badger wrote:Pierconium wrote:Oh, now there is a whole region of Quixotes.
It looks like Osiris wants assurances that the Sovereignty of governments across nationstates will no longer be disrupted by the NPO, by demanding the disruption of Sovereignty of the government of the NPO.
Once the Maginot line is drawn this will turn into hurling insults, leaking chats, and a variety of perceived slights that are shouted for the purpose of riling up the fury of the uninvolved rube and bandwagon hopper until the overwhelming majority of gameplay is standing at the gates with pitchfork and torch looking for their pound of flesh. The Ugliness generated will change gameplay from mundane to distasteful. All the while in The Pacific,the Who's Who of NPO history has been emerging. With their help, you will be inspiring 20 new Feux's and AMOM's to go out and do much worse.
All this to say, I have friends and foes on both sides of this. At this point, war is only winnable by the graces of the NPO in banning people and making assurances. They have come a long way on your demands. You haven't gotten everything and you never do in negotiations.
I want you all to remember this old adage my daddy taught me: the angry Simeon's hands get dirty too when they hurl shit.
by Xoriet » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:44 am
Neo Domais wrote:Then whats with this self ban, I hear about?
by Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:50 am
Xoriet wrote:Neo Domais wrote:Then whats with this self ban, I hear about?
Pergamon voluntarily submitted to this ban for the sake of The Pacific. However, none of us agreed to anything further than a ban from NS NPO. Just because it was a voluntary action does not mean it will not be enforced by the NS NPO. A voluntary ban does not mean he can choose to come back at any time. A ban is a ban. A ban is what was asked for and what was given. If it was not the complete ban they wanted, I have explained why already.
by Pierconium » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:54 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Xoriet wrote:Pergamon voluntarily submitted to this ban for the sake of The Pacific. However, none of us agreed to anything further than a ban from NS NPO. Just because it was a voluntary action does not mean it will not be enforced by the NS NPO. A voluntary ban does not mean he can choose to come back at any time. A ban is a ban. A ban is what was asked for and what was given. If it was not the complete ban they wanted, I have explained why already.
Admitedly I would never voluntarily ban myself from anything.
I'm starting to understand this whole thing more actually; when people tell me to resign or do XYZ I don't want to do, you make it more and more likely it isn't going to happen. Ever. The people banned from the NPO have acted far less reasonably with the NPO than I would have done myself in that situation, I believe.
Regions protect their own, or at least for the most part they should. I don't like the NPO, but I'm surprised people have voluntarily bowed to foreign pressure and left it.
by Kurnugia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:56 am
by Pierconium » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:33 am
by Neo Domais » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:55 am
As the WFB dicates Mghnb is a guardian, I know with 100% certainly that this is not a just a rogue statement. If it is not official by the delegate RN it will be soon.Pierconium wrote:I've been told that this declaration is just the statement of a rogue member of the Osiris government. Is that correct or has this been approved by the Delegate et al? Just curious. I see no reason to continue engaging with the material of the statement if it is not an actual Osiris government declaration of war.
by Consular » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:22 am
Kurnugia wrote:So hold on... How would have been a guaranteed ban look like in the eyes of Osi? I mean all bans can be undone and if you dont trust the NPO to uphold any promises, what was the point in giving a graceperiod before the declaration of war in the first place?
by Jar Wattinree » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:25 am
Consular wrote:Though at the same time -- I also want to ask, since Xoriet has made such a big deal of it, talking him up etc, was losing Perg really that big a loss? I feel like he was more of a liability. I know I'm not the only one who thinks that. I know there are members of the Order who think that.
by Syberis » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:26 am
Neo Domais wrote:As the WFB dicates Mghnb is a guardian, I know with 100% certainly that this is not a just a rogue statement. If it is not official by the delegate RN it will be soon.Pierconium wrote:I've been told that this declaration is just the statement of a rogue member of the Osiris government. Is that correct or has this been approved by the Delegate et al? Just curious. I see no reason to continue engaging with the material of the statement if it is not an actual Osiris government declaration of war.
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Kurnugia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:43 am
Syberis wrote:Neo Domais wrote:As the WFB dicates Mghnb is a guardian, I know with 100% certainly that this is not a just a rogue statement. If it is not official by the delegate RN it will be soon.
I'm not going to comment on the statement issued, but I will comment on the stated opinion that anything posted by a Guardian is the statement of the government.
That is factually wrong.
by Syberis » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:51 am
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Pierconium » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:53 am
Syberis wrote:
Allow me to clarify.
Not every word posted by a member of the Guardianship is the word of Osiris, though the Chairman of the Council of Guardians can, at the will of the Pharaoh, post on behalf of the government through an official statement. Normally such an official posting role would be served by the Heir Apparent, but as there's not one right now, Mike is the closest fit.
by Xoriet » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:59 am
Pierconium wrote:I see. So this is an official post from Osiris then, correct? Otherwise it would not have been posted, right?
by Pierconium » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:03 am
by The Seeker of Power » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:04 am
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