Osiris | Danburg Seized!

[Greater vakolicci haven]

We just have to ensure it isn't allowed to yield the same result as before then.

Do the same thing, get the same results. The point is we need to do something different this time, so we get different results.

We allowed the NPO to sit their, gain normality and thrive. We need now to give it the isolation it deserves, spread the truth about its activities, and ensure that its operations are met with appropriate force. Such a war will be long, but it is necessary.

[Mghnb]

While the people of Osiris acknowledge the fact that the NPO has attempted to make amends, there is nothing to guarantee that the bans handed to Feux, AMOM, and friends will be honored in a few months, or by any other emperor of the NPO. This same group has previously been banned for the exact same actions under the guise of the NLO, and their ban was revoked by Aleisyr, who granted them positions within the NPO's government. There is no assurance that in a year, or sooner, the bans will remain in place.

Then there is the case of former consul Pergamon, who is "voluntarily banned" from the NS side of the NPO, yet allowed to exist as a member of the NPO within their other off-site bodies. Again, as a "voluntary" ban there is nothing to suggest that it will remain permanent, or that it's anything more than a simple slap on the wrist.

As such, there is no way that we can trust these bans as legitimate, or as binding, and to blindly accept that these won't be undone will ultimately lead to the undoing of many regional governments throughout the game, as has already been demonstrated time and time again throughout NS history, including by the participation of new emperor East Durthang, Lord of Darkness, as an endorsee during the NLO.

Therefore, the Osiris Fraternal Order has heeded the calls of her citizenry, and an official declaration of war has been made against the subversives within the sullied halls of the NPO's government.

The time for talk and false pretenses of punishment are past. The drums of war echo throughout NS.

Sic semper tyrannis
NPO delenda est

[Cormactopia Prime]

The NPO has brought this upon itself with its years of aggression against other regions. Osiris could not responsibly address this in any other way.

Hail Osiris! NPO delenda est.

[Scottiesland]

NPO delenda est!

Glad to see Osiris make their official post.

[Tim-Opolis]

*yawn*

"You did what we asked but we're still not happy"

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

*yawn*

"You did what we asked but we're still not happy"

They realized that there was no point in asking anything in the first place.

[Aclion]

*yawn*

"You did what we asked but we're still not happy"

They realized that there was no point in asking anything in the first place.

Which is why it was a mistake.

[Mghnb]

*yawn*

"You did what we asked but we're still not happy"

Ah yes, our well known demand of "pretend to ban Perg but don't actually ensure it is enforceable in the future"

[Svalbard Reindeer]

My war declaration had more bite than yours.

[Lord Dominator]

*yawn*

"You did what we asked but we're still not happy"

This has actually been official for several days, and probably would have been a week five days old if a certain someone had realized the vote should have been closed earlier

[Cormactopia Prime]

*yawn*

"You did what we asked but we're still not happy"

Why do you care? You're a government official in a region that has said it intends to be neutral, and is in alliances with both regions.

[Saint Block]

Haters gunna hate, Cormac. :/

[Yokiria]

*yawn*

"You did what we asked but we're still not happy"

Your pattern of pushing NPO-favorable narratives is noted, Tim.

[Glacikaldr]

Is anyone surprised from Tim's recent behaviour that he would be siding with the NPO in this conflict?

[Saint Block]

Seeing as he’s NPO, no. I’m for one, not surprised. I bet he’s doing the proper lip service so he can get a promotion like Xoriet, out of all this mess.

[Pierconium]

Oh, now there is a whole region of Quixotes.

[Saint Block]

I do not think that it is all that impractical to aim for the dismantling of NS NPO.

[Yokiria]

Oh, now there is a whole region of Quixotes.

A member of the NPO, home of Francoism and the Pacifica fantasy, describing another group as quixotic is laughable. The quixotic nature of the NPO is why all of this is happening in the first place.

[Pierconium]

Oh, now there is a whole region of Quixotes.

A member of the NPO, home of Francoism and the Pacifica fantasy, describing another group as quixotic is laughable. The quixotic nature of the NPO is why all of this is happening in the first place.

Oh, I don’t agree. The NPO has made mistakes, several in fact, but those are mistakes that are associated with actual success in disrupting and displacing regional governments. I’m not saying those actions, even my own historical ones, were the right thing to do, but we didn’t blindly tilt the windmill with no chance of success, we burned it to the ground.

This, on the other hand, is a quixotic adventure. Open assault on an entrenched and internally supported feeder government is folly. It isn’t that it is ‘The Pacific’ or the mighty NPO, it is the logistical impracticality (impossibility?) of the endeavour. It just can’t be done.

[Yokiria]

We will see about that.

[Kurnugia]

So hold on... How would have been a guaranteed ban look like in the eyes of Osi? I mean all bans can be undone and if you dont trust the NPO to uphold any promises, what was the point in giving a graceperiod before the declaration of war in the first place?

[Yokiria]

So hold on... How would have been a guaranteed ban look like in the eyes of Osi? I mean all bans can be undone and if you dont trust the NPO to uphold any promises, what was the point in giving a graceperiod before the declaration of war in the first place?

To the first question, I'm sure a guaranteed ban would have been a ban from The Pacific and the NPO handed down by either Ale before he stepped down, or the incoming Emperor. A self-imposed, entirely voluntary "ban" like the one Pergamon is under right now is simply a Leave of Absence dressed up to look like it meets our demands, and is frankly insulting.

To the second question, it was simply due process. There was no expectation amongst Osirans that the demands were going to be met. The only surprise, truly, is how extremely close the NPO came to meeting the demands. Their unwillingness to truly ban Pergamon, however, is what sealed the deal here.

[Pierconium]

So hold on... How would have been a guaranteed ban look like in the eyes of Osi? I mean all bans can be undone and if you dont trust the NPO to uphold any promises, what was the point in giving a graceperiod before the declaration of war in the first place?

To the first question, I'm sure a guaranteed ban would have been a ban from The Pacific and the NPO handed down by either Ale before he stepped down, or the incoming Emperor. A self-imposed, entirely voluntary "ban" like the one Pergamon is under right now is simply a Leave of Absence dressed up to look like it meets our demands, and is frankly insulting.

To the second question, it was simply due process. There was no expectation amongst Osirans that the demands were going to be met. The only surprise, truly, is how extremely close the NPO came to meeting the demands. Their unwillingness to truly ban Pergamon, however, is what sealed the deal here.

So banning Pergamon from the Pacific would have prevented this ‘declaration’? I find that to be a bit disingenuous considering the rhetoric here and elsewhere about how future leadership could change the outcome. Perg’s resignation and removal from the government has the same real effect that a banning would entail and could just as easily be removed at a later stage. It is not that you think Perg should have been banned, it is that you (collective) want to somehow implement a safeguard towards future sovereign action by the NPO. If it wasn’t so blatantly hypocritical it would be funny, as it is, it is just sad.

[Kurnugia]

So hold on... How would have been a guaranteed ban look like in the eyes of Osi? I mean all bans can be undone and if you dont trust the NPO to uphold any promises, what was the point in giving a graceperiod before the declaration of war in the first place?

To the first question, I'm sure a guaranteed ban would have been a ban from The Pacific and the NPO handed down by either Ale before he stepped down, or the incoming Emperor. A self-imposed, entirely voluntary "ban" like the one Pergamon is under right now is simply a Leave of Absence dressed up to look like it meets our demands, and is frankly insulting.
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You say this and yet from the declaration of war:

This same group has previously been banned for the exact same actions under the guise of the NLO, and their ban was revoked by Aleisyr, who granted them positions within the NPO's government. There is no assurance that in a year, or sooner, the bans will remain in place.

It refers to AMOM and Feux.

Same could be said about perg. So I do kinda think that Osir was out for blood of the NPO in the first place

[Yokiria]

So banning Pergamon from the Pacific would have prevented this ‘declaration’?

Potentially. Failing to properly ban Pergamon certainly eliminated any chance of preventing this declaration.

I find that to be a bit disingenuous considering the rhetoric here and elsewhere about how future leadership could change the outcome.

Such rhetoric comes from the idea that nothing the NPO did in response is genuine. That idea was and is supported by the internal behavior of the NPO, and the external behavior of certain NPO members.

Perg’s resignation and removal from the government has the same real effect that a banning would entail and could just as easily be removed at a later stage.

It could not as easily be removed at a later stage as the leave-of-absence, classed as a ban, that Pergamon is on at the moment. It would not be as insulting, either.

It is not that you think Perg should have been banned, it is that you (collective) want to somehow implement a safeguard towards future sovereign action by the NPO.

Correction: It is both.