Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism

[Canton Empire]

Co founder input on KAISERREICH: KAISERREICH was meant to be based of off pre 1918 Germany. In reality, it does have Nazi and fascist tendencies, which is the biggest reason I left.

We threw you out because you were a corrupt power-hungry rebel. We are not and never have been a Nazi region and any allegiance to Fascism died when Kaiserreich was founded from the Reichswehr Headquarters, over two years ago.

"Corrupt power hungry rebel"
Because wanting democracy and non fascist change makes me definitely power hungry and corrupt.

[The enlightened confederation]

In examining this inter-regional organization, our ambassadors are perplexed at the fact that a group of regions, especially socialist regions, seek to eliminate regions of the ideology of Nazism. Our ambassadors understand that there is a massive disliking of Nazis and Nazism in general, however, it must be noted that in Galaxy 778, on the distant, overlooked planet of "Earth" during their "WWII," their Nazis have killed from 6 to 11 million Earthlings, while Socialists have killed from 22 to 70 million Earthlings. Seeing that there hasn't been a significant proliferation of these two ideologies away from that planet that has caused so many deaths, why are regions modeled after Socialism and Communism, which as an ideology, has killed at least almost 4 times and at most almost 12 times as many Earthlings as Nazism, being favored over Nazism? If logic was followed to create a Coalition against the most deadly Earth-related ideology, our political scientists (all 10,060 of them) have (for the first time, actually) unanimously reported that the Ideology of Socialism should be eradicated.

The Government of Kalinin K-7 does recognize that there is an alliance of sorts between socialists and invaders/raiders, but believes that this alliance, along with their large power blocs, have severely undermined the legitimacy of the Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism. Therefore, in order to create a more perfect universe, the government is looking into creating CAIS: Coalition Against the Ideology of Socialism.

Your statistics are flawed, you take into account only a lowball estimate of the holocaust death toll, and ignore the more general casualty figures which resulted from WWII, somewhere in the order of fifty million, as well as the toll resulting from other fascist regimes. i am unsure of the source of the Socialist death toll you list, but it should be kept in mind that socialism is more or less distinct from communism, and should not be considered responsible for the results of the more extreme variant. to me personally, i also find socialism/communism less abhorrent because, whatever it's results, it is motivated by a desire to improve the lives of common people, whereas fascism/Nazism is motivate simply by self-interest and a sense of racial, national, or personal superiority.

[Liberated Free Nations]

The only way we are joining is if you all reject the imperialist WA and struggle against the revisionists in the midst of the Communist movement. All forms of bourgeois society perpetuate exploitation of the working class, Nazism and liberalism alike. This alliance will create a bourgeois liberal superpower otherwise and threaten the whole revolution if the signatories do not agree to our terms.

- Gen. Bergen, Ambassador of the Democratic Republic, representing the International Communist Party

[Drittes Deutsches Reich]

Nazism: [...] an ideology that glorifies National Socialism or Nazi Germany and/or actively practices Nazi beliefs such as antisemitism, pseudo-scientific racism, racial hygiene, slaughter for living space, genocide, eugenics, persecution of LGBT, etc.

I support this initiative against racism and homophobia, especially in the wake of Trump's catastrophic victory in the US - we are at a turning point in world history, and if we fail to act now, we might never again get the chance to stop him and people like him from causing further damage.
However, I believe a distinction between neo-Nazism and authentic National Socialism must be made, and that it would benefit this movement and others like it.
To that effect, I leave these links here:

Aryanist Movement
National Socialism and Nazism

[Kalinin K-7]

In examining this inter-regional organization, our ambassadors are perplexed at the fact that a group of regions, especially socialist regions, seek to eliminate regions of the ideology of Nazism. Our ambassadors understand that there is a massive disliking of Nazis and Nazism in general, however, it must be noted that in Galaxy 778, on the distant, overlooked planet of "Earth" during their "WWII," their Nazis have killed from 6 to 11 million Earthlings, while Socialists have killed from 22 to 70 million Earthlings. Seeing that there hasn't been a significant proliferation of these two ideologies away from that planet that has caused so many deaths, why are regions modeled after Socialism and Communism, which as an ideology, has killed at least almost 4 times and at most almost 12 times as many Earthlings as Nazism, being favored over Nazism? If logic was followed to create a Coalition against the most deadly Earth-related ideology, our political scientists (all 10,060 of them) have (for the first time, actually) unanimously reported that the Ideology of Socialism should be eradicated.

The Government of Kalinin K-7 does recognize that there is an alliance of sorts between socialists and invaders/raiders, but believes that this alliance, along with their large power blocs, have severely undermined the legitimacy of the Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism. Therefore, in order to create a more perfect universe, the government is looking into creating CAIS: Coalition Against the Ideology of Socialism.

Your statistics are flawed, you take into account only a lowball estimate of the holocaust death toll, and ignore the more general casualty figures which resulted from WWII, somewhere in the order of fifty million, as well as the toll resulting from other fascist regimes. i am unsure of the source of the Socialist death toll you list, but it should be kept in mind that socialism is more or less distinct from communism, and should not be considered responsible for the results of the more extreme variant. to me personally, i also find socialism/communism less abhorrent because, whatever it's results, it is motivated by a desire to improve the lives of common people, whereas fascism/Nazism is motivate simply by self-interest and a sense of racial, national, or personal superiority.

My sources are from the University of Hawaii. Search them up along with "Deaths resulting from Socialism" and "Holocaust Deaths," as well as "WWII Deaths."

[Eskvor]

We threw you out because you were a corrupt power-hungry rebel. We are not and never have been a Nazi region and any allegiance to Fascism died when Kaiserreich was founded from the Reichswehr Headquarters, over two years ago.

"Corrupt power hungry rebel"
Because wanting democracy and non fascist change makes me definitely power hungry and corrupt.

You were pursuing the system that would give you the most power and, upon failing in this endeavor, stormed out like a petulant child.

But I digress, the point of my posts here is to make clear that the region Kaiserreich is not Fascist nor Nazist, nor does the Reich claim any allegiance nor affiliation with Facism nor Nazism.

[Canton Empire]

"Corrupt power hungry rebel"
Because wanting democracy and non fascist change makes me definitely power hungry and corrupt.

You were pursuing the system that would give you the most power and, upon failing in this endeavor, stormed out like a petulant child.

But I digress, the point of my posts here is to make clear that the region Kaiserreich is not Fascist nor Nazist, nor does the Reich claim any allegiance nor affiliation with Facism nor Nazism.

Thank you indeed Mr. Goebbles. I was definetly trying to gain power, thats a good one! We all know that whoever disagrees with the dear Kaiser's view of the Third Reich and nazism gets labled as a traitor and "power hungry rebel"

Calling your cat a dog still makes it a cat. I. e. calling your region a "Veudal Empire" and harboring nazi views still makes you a nazi.
Is North Korea really a "Demoratic People's Republic"? No. Kaiserreich isn't a empire, its a fascist regime

[Christian Democrats]

The Commonwealth of Crowns has an embassy with Kaiserreich, and Right to Life is building an embassy with The Iron Guard.
The text of the treaty suggests that both would become ipso facto "collaborators" if the proposed list is approved ("Any region which ... possesses an on-site embassy with a Nazi Region shall be officially designated as Nazi Collaborators").

Right to Life's foreign minister, Stellonia, has canceled the embassy that was being exchanged with the Iron Guard upon our receipt of a telegram from a CAIN signatory. But, honestly, I just want to say that this demonstrates how ridiculous the terms of this treaty are.

Right to Life maintains a large number of embassies, and it does so for several purposes:

• Purely gameplay reasons that have nothing to do with the pro-life movement;
• Recognizing pro-life regions or regions with significant pro-life populations; or
• Establishing dialogue with regions not normally open to the pro-life movement.

For the purposes of citizenship and embassy exchanges, regional law defines "pro-life" as, at minimum, opposition to induced abortion with exceptions for maternal life or health, rape, incest, and fetal defects (about 10% of cases).

Under these conditions, Right to Life has opened embassies with a wide variety of regions: conservative regions, right-libertarian regions, religious regions, roleplay regions, gameplay regions, and even regions with radical views. Relations with the far right and the far left have been contentious issues in regional politics for years. The unofficial compromise has been something like this: we won't exchange embassies with National Socialists or Stalinists, but embassy requests from "mainstream" fascists and "mainstream" communists will be accepted.

As has been noted above, the Iron Guard was a Romanian fascist group -- neither German nor Nazi. Its members were largely far-right Orthodox Christians. Internal concerns were raised about the requested embassy; but, in my opinion, the Iron Guard region was tolerable enough because its members were presumably opponents of abortion and because its world factbook entry specifically disavows racism and "encourage[s] discussion and debate."

The Iron Guard's world factbook entry also says that the region is supportive of the Third Position and that it is against Marxism, capitalism, Islamism, and Zionism. Presumably, this is why CAIN labels it a "Nazi region" even though the Third Position, anti-Marxism, anti-capitalism, anti-Islamism, and anti-Zionism are not beliefs exclusive to Nazis.

The terms of this treaty are so unreasonably vague and so unreasonably expansive that Right to Life would have been labeled a "Nazi collaborator" -- "a region that assists in furthering the agenda of, and/or shares core beliefs with, Nazism and/or Nazi Regions" -- had the embassy with the Iron Guard been completed. Certainly, this would have been a very strange state of affairs. I, for one, have never heard of a Nazi collaborator who maintains relations with Jews, Muslims, Africans, communists, Frenchmen, and LGBT persons!

[Tretrid]

Your statistics are flawed, you take into account only a lowball estimate of the holocaust death toll, and ignore the more general casualty figures which resulted from WWII, somewhere in the order of fifty million, as well as the toll resulting from other fascist regimes. i am unsure of the source of the Socialist death toll you list, but it should be kept in mind that socialism is more or less distinct from communism, and should not be considered responsible for the results of the more extreme variant. to me personally, i also find socialism/communism less abhorrent because, whatever it's results, it is motivated by a desire to improve the lives of common people, whereas fascism/Nazism is motivate simply by self-interest and a sense of racial, national, or personal superiority.

My sources are from the University of Hawaii. Search them up along with "Deaths resulting from Socialism" and "Holocaust Deaths," as well as "WWII Deaths."

The thing is, the Nazis are remembered more badly. Swastikas on flags are considered too offensive to be allowed, while the hammer and sickle isn't associated with such genocide.

[Drittes Deutsches Reich]

...the hammer and sickle isn't associated with such genocide.

Well, it is, it's just most people really don't care/deny it.

[Scansinia]

You were pursuing the system that would give you the most power and, upon failing in this endeavor, stormed out like a petulant child.

But I digress, the point of my posts here is to make clear that the region Kaiserreich is not Fascist nor Nazist, nor does the Reich claim any allegiance nor affiliation with Facism nor Nazism.

Thank you indeed Mr. Goebbles. I was definetly trying to gain power, thats a good one! We all know that whoever disagrees with the dear Kaiser's view of the Third Reich and nazism gets labled as a traitor and "power hungry rebel"

Calling your cat a dog still makes it a cat. I. e. calling your region a "Veudal Empire" and harboring nazi views still makes you a nazi.
Is North Korea really a "Demoratic People's Republic"? No. Kaiserreich isn't a empire, its a fascist regime

1. You are power hungry, after you were branded as a traitor then Seperatist by everyone in the Empire....you tried convincing others that your were the "true kaiserreich" which is complete nonsense.
2. You tried recruiting from the Empire to little avail
3. You originally merged with Kaiserreich, knowing that we weren't a Republic and had rightist views...
4. *Vedul Empire....and it's our native religion which has nothing to do with political ideology.
5. I don't handle Court Cases, since the Minister of Justice or a 3rd Party Judge performs trials based on the Konstitution which was democratically accepted.
6. *Democratic People's......
7. Putting a laughing smiley in your statement degrades you case.

[Scansinia]

Wait, KAISERREICH is nazi? I always assumed they were monarchists. There goes that RP name...

I'm the Kaiser, and I didn't even know that.....

Oh wait...we are Monarchists hence the Name....

[Canton Empire]

Thank you indeed Mr. Goebbles. I was definetly trying to gain power, thats a good one! We all know that whoever disagrees with the dear Kaiser's view of the Third Reich and nazism gets labled as a traitor and "power hungry rebel"

Calling your cat a dog still makes it a cat. I. e. calling your region a "Veudal Empire" and harboring nazi views still makes you a nazi.
Is North Korea really a "Demoratic People's Republic"? No. Kaiserreich isn't a empire, its a fascist regime

1. You are power hungry, after you were branded as a traitor then Seperatist by everyone in the Empire....you tried convincing others that your were the "true kaiserreich" which is complete nonsense.
2. You tried recruiting from the Empire to little avail
3. You originally merged with Kaiserreich, knowing that we weren't a Republic and had rightist views...
4. *Vedul Empire....and it's our native religion which has nothing to do with political ideology.
5. I don't handle Court Cases, since the Minister of Justice or a 3rd Party Judge performs trials based on the Konstitution which was democratically accepted.
6. *Democratic People's......
7. Putting a laughing smiley in your statement degrades you case.

In before the threadjack warning.
1. If you insist. I'm definetly Stalin 2.0. And your dear Minister of Justice was behind that "true kaiserreich" stunt.
2. Actually, several of your nations moved. Others are just not active enough to read my telegrams.
3. I was ok with it until the Nazi/ fascist views came in
4. I dont care what you call your region. CAIN considers you a nazi region and doubt you'll be able to change that.
5. When was there a court case? And for what? Leaving? Kaiserreich must be reluctant to let go..
6. Ok, correct me. It does not invalidate my point.
7. I'm laughing at your desperate propaganda filled answers.

[Scansinia]

1. You are power hungry, after you were branded as a traitor then Seperatist by everyone in the Empire....you tried convincing others that your were the "true kaiserreich" which is complete nonsense.
2. You tried recruiting from the Empire to little avail
3. You originally merged with Kaiserreich, knowing that we weren't a Republic and had rightist views...
4. *Vedul Empire....and it's our native religion which has nothing to do with political ideology.
5. I don't handle Court Cases, since the Minister of Justice or a 3rd Party Judge performs trials based on the Konstitution which was democratically accepted.
6. *Democratic People's......
7. Putting a laughing smiley in your statement degrades you case.

In before the threadjack warning.
1. If you insist. I'm definetly Stalin 2.0. And your dear Minister of Justice was behind that "true kaiserreich" stunt.
2. Actually, several of your nations moved. Others are just not active enough to read my telegrams.
3. I was ok with it until the Nazi/ fascist views came in
4. I dont care what you call your region. CAIN considers you a nazi region and doubt you'll be able to change that.
5. When was there a court case? And for what? Leaving? Kaiserreich must be reluctant to let go..
6. Ok, correct me. It does not invalidate my point.
7. I'm laughing at your desperate propaganda filled answers.

Technically you just came to me asking for peace.....if anything you are desperate.

Besides you have nothing to offer, since you want to have a treaty with your Region of a few puppets (RCI) which is insignificant on our radar.

[Canton Empire]

In before the threadjack warning.
1. If you insist. I'm definetly Stalin 2.0. And your dear Minister of Justice was behind that "true kaiserreich" stunt.
2. Actually, several of your nations moved. Others are just not active enough to read my telegrams.
3. I was ok with it until the Nazi/ fascist views came in
4. I dont care what you call your region. CAIN considers you a nazi region and doubt you'll be able to change that.
5. When was there a court case? And for what? Leaving? Kaiserreich must be reluctant to let go..
6. Ok, correct me. It does not invalidate my point.
7. I'm laughing at your desperate propaganda filled answers.

Technically you just came to me asking for peace.....if anything you are desperate.

Besides you have nothing to offer, since you want to have a treaty with your Region of a few puppets (RCI) which is insignificant on our radar.

Oh my god, this is great. This somehow justifies that your not Nazi? Why would I be desperate to cuddle with a nazi worshiping region?
again, inb4 threadjack warning

[Brunhizzle]

The terms of this treaty are so unreasonably vague and so unreasonably expansive that Right to Life would have been labeled a "Nazi collaborator" -- "a region that assists in furthering the agenda of, and/or shares core beliefs with, Nazism and/or Nazi Regions" -- had the embassy with the Iron Guard been completed. Certainly, this would have been a very strange state of affairs. I, for one, have never heard of a Nazi collaborator who maintains relations with Jews, Muslims, Africans, communists, Frenchmen, and LGBT persons!

Aye, the terms of the treaty are purposely worded this way as the intention of the Coalition is to isolate Nazi Regions. To do this, we put a system in place that would target those that assisted in furthering their foreign agenda as it is our belief that embassies further that agenda.

As for our motivations behind the nomination of KAISERREICH, multiple factors went into the nomination with reports of the use of Nazi Imagery and jokes about Beer Hall Putsches helping to give them weight. There were simply enough connections, whether they be jokes or past histories, that put K-Reich on the the set of nominated regions.

These nominations are not final, and shouldn't be thought of as final. Every region nominated here in has to receive 16 of the 24 votes from participating signatories before being considered Nazi Regions. Every region will get looked at, individually, with cases made both for their inclusion and their exemptions.

[Consular]

Canton Empire, Scansinia, and co... We really don't care about whatever scandal went on in your region and it certainly isn't the topic of this thread.

[Christian Democrats]

The terms of this treaty are so unreasonably vague and so unreasonably expansive that Right to Life would have been labeled a "Nazi collaborator" -- "a region that assists in furthering the agenda of, and/or shares core beliefs with, Nazism and/or Nazi Regions" -- had the embassy with the Iron Guard been completed. Certainly, this would have been a very strange state of affairs. I, for one, have never heard of a Nazi collaborator who maintains relations with Jews, Muslims, Africans, communists, Frenchmen, and LGBT persons!

Aye, the terms of the treaty are purposely worded this way as the intention of the Coalition is to isolate Nazi Regions.

But the Iron Guard is not a Nazi region. Its founder has disavowed Nazism in this thread, and he disavows Nazism on his regional message board. Neither the Iron Guard's world factbook entry nor its pinned factbooks make any mention of Nazism. The region's flag doesn't contain any Nazi symbolism, and the native population is not Nazi. In fact, the world factbook entry expresses opposition to racism and encourages civil discourse. If a centrist or center-right region wants to exchange embassies with the Iron Guard, why should CAIN be concerned?

[Scansinia]

Canton Empire, Scansinia, and co... We really don't care about whatever scandal went on in your region and it certainly isn't the topic of this thread.

I really don't care either, but since you people list us as "Nazi" themed, well......that is technically the reason for this debate.

[Canton Empire]

Canton Empire, Scansinia, and co... We really don't care about whatever scandal went on in your region and it certainly isn't the topic of this thread.

My apologies, I'm quite surprised a threadjack warning wasn't involved.

[Eaglemont]

The Coalition Against Nazism will fail in its goal because God's truth can never be challenged. Nazism; true National Socialism, follows God's Will and God's will is that we are racially unmixed.

I quote from our second holy book; Mein Kampf

Everybody who has the right kind of feeling for his country is solemnly bound, each within his own denomination, to see to it that he is not constantly talking about the Will of God merely from the lips but that in actual fact he fulfills the Will of God and does not allow God’s handiwork to be debased. For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God’s Creation and God’s Will." (Mein Kampf p.310)

Edit: In the interests of Gameplay my region stands vehemently opposed to the Coalition and will fight for our Ideology as a "Nazi Region".

[GreatNazis]

Well, we aren't fascist, or Nazi, or anything else extremist.

You are correct. Someone gets it.

But the fact that you don't hide your military involvements with Nazi Europa makes you just as guilty.

What military involvements? K-Reich and NE haven't worked together for at least a year.

[Tretrid]

The Coalition Against Nazism will fail in its goal because God's truth can never be challenged. Nazism; true National Socialism, follows God's Will and God's will is that we are racially unmixed.

I quote from our second holy book; Mein Kampf

Everybody who has the right kind of feeling for his country is solemnly bound, each within his own denomination, to see to it that he is not constantly talking about the Will of God merely from the lips but that in actual fact he fulfills the Will of God and does not allow God’s handiwork to be debased. For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God’s Creation and God’s Will." (Mein Kampf p.310)

Edit: In the interests of Gameplay my region stands vehemently opposed to the Coalition and will fight for our Ideology as a "Nazi Region".

I'm very sure your source was written by a... not very reliable source (Hitler was biased). Prove that it is the will of some omnipotent deity whose existence is commonly debated.
Also, how will your minuscule region take a stand against CAIN? CAIN contains some very large regions and two feeders.

[LollerLand]

Aye, the terms of the treaty are purposely worded this way as the intention of the Coalition is to isolate Nazi Regions.

But the Iron Guard is not a Nazi region. Its founder has disavowed Nazism in this thread, and he disavows Nazism on his regional message board. Neither the Iron Guard's world factbook entry nor its pinned factbooks make any mention of Nazism. The region's flag doesn't contain any Nazi symbolism, and the native population is not Nazi. In fact, the world factbook entry expresses opposition to racism and encourages civil discourse. If a centrist or center-right region wants to exchange embassies with the Iron Guard, why should CAIN be concerned?

On a brief inspection of the regions that they are currently having embassies with or building embassies with, I was able to spot at least 11 regions that can be called Nazi or has Nazi tendencies.

[Corneliu Zelea Codreanu]

But the Iron Guard is not a Nazi region. Its founder has disavowed Nazism in this thread, and he disavows Nazism on his regional message board. Neither the Iron Guard's world factbook entry nor its pinned factbooks make any mention of Nazism. The region's flag doesn't contain any Nazi symbolism, and the native population is not Nazi. In fact, the world factbook entry expresses opposition to racism and encourages civil discourse. If a centrist or center-right region wants to exchange embassies with the Iron Guard, why should CAIN be concerned?

On a brief inspection of the regions that they are currently having embassies with or building embassies with, I was able to spot at least 11 regions that can be called Nazi or has Nazi tendencies.

I counted 5 and I ally with them so that I can have assistance or help provide assistance in raids against Anti-Fascists on this game.