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Postby Onderkelkia » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:33 pm

Glen-Rhodes wrote:They posted in Gameplay, then on our forums.

This is incorrect. It was done the other way round.

The Minister-President posted her statement announcing that TNI was giving five-days' notification, in advance of the termination of the treaty, in TNI's embassy on the forums of The South Pacific first, at 6.02am UTC+1 on 23 July 2014. She then posted the same statement in TNI's embassy in the Gameplay forums shortly afterwards, at 6.05am UTC+1 on 23 July 2014. This ordering was specifically chosen to comply with the provisions of the treaty, so the announcement in the Gameplay forums was not made before official notification was actually rendered. TNI always strove to fulfil its obligations.

The South Pacific has not yet delivered the required notification (to begin the five-day period following which the treaty is terminated) in their embassy in Balder, despite it being over three days since the termination of the treaty was announced in the Gameplay forums. By contrast, TNI delivered the relevant notification before we made the announcement in the Gameplay forums. There is no comparison between how TSP and TNI have handled the matter.

Glen-Rhodes wrote:TNI didn't notify us when they dissolved our treaty. [...] No TGs came my way, to my recollection.

If the primary reason for ending the alliance had been that we felt it was no longer mutually beneficial because of insufficient communication or other long-term concerns, we would have endeavoured to discuss it with TSP in advance of delivering the notification that the treaty would be terminated.

However, rather than termination stemming from long-term factors about the utility of the alliance, TNI terminated our treaty with TSP as an immediate reaction to a specific event - TSP passing a treaty with TRR - which meant there was absolutely nothing to discuss. TNI's position (that a mutual treaty with TRR was incompatible with remaining allied to TNI) was sufficiently clear that our likely reaction was predicted in TSP's cabinet and assembly. Despite the open predictions it would mean the end of the alliance, neither you nor any other TSP official raised the issue with TNI. It would have been inappropriate (and doubtless would have provoked criticism of TNI) to initiate discussions aimed at persuading TSP not to pursue the treaty when it was publicly debating the matter in its assembly, so the onus was on you to contact us if you wanted to talk about the matter. Once the deed was done, our course was clear.
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Postby Solorni » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:34 pm

I just want to bring this quote here:
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:35 pm

Ridersyl wrote:It seems that reality itself is against you, Glen-Rhodes.

Fighting reality may be your talent in this game, but I suggest you fold.

Legitimately, I mean this. Arguing against the facts presented against you now would only make you look more foolish.

Please, stick to what you said, in that
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Postby Cormactopia II » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:22 pm

Glen-Rhodes wrote:Osiris just announced cutting (nonexistent) ties with us through the Gameplay forum. Definitely didn't get any TG, PM, IRC, or Discord notification.

The notification was posted to our (non-existent?) embassy in the South Pacific at the same time it was posted in Gameplay. Nice try, though.
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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:24 am

Solorni wrote:
Glen-Rhodes wrote:I think you're capable of passing along a note, regardless of Balder's democratic or non-democratic status :-*

Lol another reading comprehension fail, try again:

Furthermore, your message was actually discussed by Balder's ministers the day it was sent out.


Why would I pass it along when it was already being discussed by the cabinet? Doesn't that seem nonsensical even to you?

I'd recommend you practise your reading comprehension (SAT practice sites have some good resources). This is getting more than a little ridiculous and quite predictable. You'd find yourself able to be far more effective by reading and understand both laws and what people are saying to you.

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Postby Roavin » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:46 am

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Operation: HYPErnova House
South Pacific Special Forces




When Imkitopia took office as Minister of Military Affairs, many were unsure if she could really bring the South Pacific's military back to its feet "kicking and screaming", as she promised in her campaign. Well, just over a month after taking office, SPSF led a big operation, liberating Hypernova house from the grasp of none other than Osiris.

At major update, a joint operation with friends drained the influence and severely crippled the invading lead and border control officers in the region. Then, at minor, we came together with our good friends from The Grey Wardens, NPA, RIASF, and Mordor to finally take the region from the invaders, and are now prepping it for orderly return to the natives. One thing is for sure - SPSF is HYPEd up and back in action!


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SPSF and friends, totally HYPEd up
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:36 pm

Did I miss a declaration of war or something?
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Postby Belschaft » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:55 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Did I miss a declaration of war or something?

Eh, Cormac cut relations with us and started hitting us with TG bombs because..... reasons. Osiris' military operations are more than fair game at this point.
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Postby Reventus Koth » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:58 pm

Regardless of my opinion on the liberation, that is one sick coat of arms.
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Postby Belschaft » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:59 pm

Reventus Koth wrote:Regardless of my opinion on the liberation, that is one sick coat of arms.

We have a very talented artist in Imkitopia :)
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Postby Deadeye Jack » Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:16 pm

Good work and nice post!

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Postby Vivec the God-King » Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:18 pm

I'm glad you were able to cure the blight away from Hypernova house this afternoon. ;)

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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:44 pm

I couldn't be more conflicted on an operation, as an Osiran and a Grey Warden.

Though, this is one of the most well-organized operations I've seen in a long time. Bravo.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:30 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Did I miss a declaration of war or something?

I don't think R/D actions outside of home regions constitute declarations of war. Afterall, most treaties these days even have a clause specifically noting that regions competing in R/D is fair game.
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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:23 pm

At least TSP's ability to generate drama can lead to increased R/D activity. Silver linings, baby! ;)
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Postby Deadeye Jack » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:02 pm

Ridersyl wrote:At least TSP's ability to generate drama can lead to increased R/D activity. Silver linings, baby! ;)


SPSF members have regularly made it into Warden update reports for the last few weeks, although not in the impressive numbers seen for this liberation.

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Postby Cormactopia II » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:47 pm

Osiris certainly doesn't interpret a successful liberation against a successful training operation as an act of war. Congratulations to the SPSF, et al.
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Postby Imkitopia » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:41 am

I usually avoid posting in GP but I just had to take a moment to say how proud I am of the SPSF's performance yesterday, particularly our new Officer Roavin, and give a great big thank you again to all our friends that came to support us! It was very much appreciated and great fun as well!


Reventus Koth wrote:Regardless of my opinion on the liberation, that is one sick coat of arms.


As happy as I am about our success, you just made my day! Thank you. :D


Cormactopia II wrote:Osiris certainly doesn't interpret a successful liberation against a successful training operation as an act of war. Congratulations to the SPSF, et al.


Glad to hear there are no hard feelings, I hope the SPSF will be meeting the Sekhmet Legion out on the field again soon!

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Postby Cormactopia II » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:00 am

Roavin wrote:Operation: HYPErnova House
South Pacific Special Forces
Vivec the God-King wrote:Allies in victory:
the South Pacific
Vivec the God-King wrote:Allies in victory:
the South Pacific
Vivec the God-King wrote:Allies in victory:
the South Pacific

The South Pacific sure is looking a lot like a defender region these days. When was the last time the SPSF participated in a raid?
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Postby Altmoras » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:07 am

Cormactopia II wrote:
Roavin wrote:Operation: HYPErnova House
South Pacific Special Forces
Vivec the God-King wrote:Allies in victory:
the South Pacific
Vivec the God-King wrote:Allies in victory:
the South Pacific
Vivec the God-King wrote:Allies in victory:
the South Pacific

The South Pacific sure is looking a lot like a defender region these days. When was the last time the SPSF participated in a raid?



I'm going to step in on this one. The SPSF isn't coming out en masse to chase every night, there is one particular SPSF soldier who prefers defending and runs with Defenders on many updates, it's him you're seeing referred to as "The South Pacific". Of course you already knew that Cormac since you are quoting Vvardenfell posts instead of TGW ones that list allies by name.

And if I recall correctly the SPSF raided a Warzone a week or two ago.
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Postby Cormactopia II » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:16 am

Altmoras wrote:I'm going to step in on this one. The SPSF isn't coming out en masse to chase every night, there is one particular SPSF soldier who prefers defending and runs with Defenders on many updates, it's him you're seeing referred to as "The South Pacific". Of course you already knew that Cormac since you are quoting Vardenfell posts instead of TGW ones that list allies by name.

I love being told what I do and don't know. Believe it or not, I don't actually recognize the names of everyone named in Warden updates, or their military affiliations. I realize I have a reputation for being all-seeing, which is usually deserved, but sometimes less relevant details do slip past me. For example, I have no idea who you are.

To address your point, though, there are eight people listed for the SPSF operation in Hypernova house. I haven't seen the SPSF conducting any raids lately with those eight people. Just an observation.

Altmoras wrote:And if I recall correctly the SPSF raided a Warzone a week or two ago.

Defenders raid Warzones.
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Postby Altmoras » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:23 am

Cormactopia II wrote:
Altmoras wrote:I'm going to step in on this one. The SPSF isn't coming out en masse to chase every night, there is one particular SPSF soldier who prefers defending and runs with Defenders on many updates, it's him you're seeing referred to as "The South Pacific". Of course you already knew that Cormac since you are quoting Vardenfell posts instead of TGW ones that list allies by name.

I love being told what I do and don't know. Believe it or not, I don't actually recognize the names of everyone named in Warden updates, or their military affiliations. I realize I have a reputation for being all-seeing, which is usually deserved, but sometimes less relevant details do slip past me. For example, I have no idea who you are.


Well you could find out by just clicking on the names. And thanks for the dig, but I couldn't care less what you think of me.

Cormactopia II wrote:Defenders raid Warzones.


You asked what they had raided recently, I told you, there is no subjectivity involved.
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Postby Cormactopia II » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:30 am

Altmoras wrote:
Cormactopia II wrote:I love being told what I do and don't know. Believe it or not, I don't actually recognize the names of everyone named in Warden updates, or their military affiliations. I realize I have a reputation for being all-seeing, which is usually deserved, but sometimes less relevant details do slip past me. For example, I have no idea who you are.


Well you could find out by just clicking on the names. And thanks for the dig, but I couldn't care less what you think of me.

I would have to care a lot more to bother clicking on the names of everyone included in another region's updates to see where they're from. Regardless, seeing that someone resides in the South Pacific wouldn't necessarily mean they are SPSF, given that there are several defender organizations that don't require regional residency to join them.

Not knowing who you are is considered a dig? That must be what the kids are calling a microaggression these days.

Altmoras wrote:
Cormactopia II wrote:Defenders raid Warzones.


You asked what they had raided recently, I told you, there is no subjectivity involved.

Fair enough. I suppose for the sake of avoiding a pedantic answer, I should have been more precise: What non-Warzone raid have they participated in lately?
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Postby Fedele » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:36 am

As a minor point of correction, you did not drain the influence of the invader lead. The invader lead still has more influence than your occupying delegate. That was assumed to be the reason why TSP and TNP are still occupying the region.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:55 am

Fedele wrote:As a minor point of correction, you did not drain the influence of the invader lead. The invader lead still has more influence than your occupying delegate. That was assumed to be the reason why TSP and TNP are still occupying the region.

Not to zero, but it did have a significant impact on the built-up influence of the various nations in the region who were responsible for banning, which at the very least has likely cut down a few updates of influence accumulation for our side. The region is still being held so as to remove all invader nations still present within the region, to ensure a complete clean-up.
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