The Invaders | Ego Sum Ideo Vici

[Westwatch-By-The-Bridge]

so Tim scraped Greyghost's IP address

Yes, I'm really sorry that I happen to be Root Admin of a forum on which Greyghost happened to be registered, enabling me to log into my Admin Control Panel and use the IP Address Manager to check Greyghost's IP that she had used on our forum, with the knowledge that her IP would then be permanently recorded within the Spiritus Forum's admin files. Yes, truly dastardly of myself.

God, either your source is clueless or you've been played kid.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Sure, IP's are an Intel tool, and most of ours are considered compromised. Still, I personally draw a line between a forum admin or moderator collecting them (when you sign up for said forum, you are assumed to understand that the owner has access to that data), and collecting data from other users without their knowledge or consent on someone else's forums.

Either way, Greyghost was not aware. Whether it was an IP scrape or just a simple look from having moderator status on the forums. -shrugs-

See Underlined. That's user assumed risk.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Writing myself a note: gonna generate one of those shitty early 2000s DanaSoft widgets with the linux penguin that reads all your IP/ISP/Browser/OS back to you, and put it in my signature on the Spiritus boards. It'll be hilarious, because apparently, an awful lot of you haven't been on the internet long enough to remember them.

[Guy]

Writing myself a note: gonna generate one of those shitty early 2000s DanaSoft widgets with the linux penguin that reads all your IP/ISP/Browser/OS back to you, and put it in my signature on the Spiritus boards. It'll be hilarious, because apparently, an awful lot of you haven't been on the internet long enough to remember them.

I think people are generally aware of the technical possibility to do this, but to my understanding, it's seen as somewhat seedy.

[RiderSyl]

The fact this IP stuff is being made into a moral issue only proves to me that Gameplayers are really bored right now.

[Cormactopia II]

Writing myself a note: gonna generate one of those shitty early 2000s DanaSoft widgets with the linux penguin that reads all your IP/ISP/Browser/OS back to you, and put it in my signature on the Spiritus boards. It'll be hilarious, because apparently, an awful lot of you haven't been on the internet long enough to remember them.

I think people are generally aware of the technical possibility to do this, but to my understanding, it's seen as somewhat seedy.

I'm not sure when it became "seen as somewhat seedy." Defenders used to do this all the time -- in fact, I'm fairly sure the tactic (as used in NationStates) originated with the ADN. For all we know, defenders still do it. Can you say, honestly and with 100% certainty, that you know there are no active defender groups engaging in this kind of data collection?

A mountain is being made out of a mole hill, again, and it's only because Ivo is responsible. These tactics have been used by both sides of R/D in espionage operations for more than a decade, and they will continue to be used by both sides of R/D when needed in the future, I'm sure. I can honestly say I don't understand why this was released to the public, that I think it undermines We Are Not the NSA's credibility and trustworthiness with sensitive information, and that, once again, raiders need to stop publicly going after each other like this.

[Stalker Queen]

Is sensitive information only going to be kept quiet until someone in the leadership of HYDRA Command decides it's okay to release it because they no longer like the person who is the source of the information?

Alright. I'm cutting to the chase. I'm sick of prancing around in circles (and I'm sure so are a number of people too) and looking like the guilty party. The reason we "no longer like" Ivo is because of his OOC attitude, and I can say 100% that that is why I have an overpowering portion of my "vendetta" with him, in his own words.

Being not just pushed away by someone who put themselves forward as a friend, but also upset to the point of being left in tears (most prominently during my period of dangerous tailspinning late last year that led to me having to sit out of R/D for more than half a year due to such a profound effect it had) more than a few times does not sit well with me. When I asked him why he had become colder, he simply replied along the lines of "stress" or a "bad night". I tried to put myself forward as a friend to him, to try and help him. That's why I remained so courteous to him for so long, though I lapsed a few times during my tailspin and snapped. I eventually snapped at the tail end of a second tailspin that was back-to-back with the last one when he sniped at me after I expressed doubt as to whether he would have empathy for a member of DEN I had spent more than half of my Christmas Day trying to comfort. I blocked him partly out of rage at being sniped at, but mostly to protect him from myself.

I tried always to be nice to him anyway after unblocking him, and even tried to start conversations with him to help him unwind, but he deflected such attempts. All of them. I was slowly becoming sick and tired of being mistreated: when I had to sit out of R/D, I worked my fingers to the bone on DEN's Foreign Affairs, with little tangible reward other than a pat on the back and Blockhead's thanks. I pushed my team and whipped their asses blue to get things done when I started to deteriorate around February. I even asked Ivo for help and he agreed to do an article, but then he didn't do it and ignored my queries on Skype as to why he didn't even attempt it: even Varax who was busier got her article done.

When DEN fell, so did my courtesy and niceness to Ivo, which had amounted more or less to naught in the end, and it upset me terribly. I became bitter, and very much so over my legacy being destroyed and the state of near-absolute thanklessness that I endured, without complaint. I tried everything to make DEN a better place, and many thought Ivo would be the new Bob Moran, in the sense of a mediator between the masses and the leadership, and someone who was an all-round nice person. People had renewed hope in DEN and Ivo because of that, too. How they were let down...

And although I'm very angry, and have been for a long, long time -- with the anger boiling up in the fall of DEN -- I still feel pangs of sadness at the old Ivo. Not the defender Ivo, but the Ivo that used to be my friend, and to many others, too. Like, looking over Skype PMs with him and his older forum and RMB posts leave me tearing up at the thought of who he used to be, in some cases. Thing is, when I was presented with an opportunity to mend things with him and his public apology on the RaiderCon forums, I was overcome by a wave of guilt, hope, forgiveness, redemption and God knows what else. The reason I blew it was because I was reminded that he had treated others along the lines of how he treated me. And I just had to fucking do it publicly...

PS: I just realised as I was typing this up the original post by Cormac was edited, albeit marginally, though the section I quoted no longer exists...

[GreatNazis]

So this makes The Invaders more Nazi than us, right?

[Gradea]

IGNORE

[Fedele]

The fact this IP stuff is being made into a moral issue only proves to me that Gameplayers are really bored right now.

This is the only way I'm able to see this.

To anyone who is unclear on the matter, your IP address is not private information. If you are upset at your inability to cover up your lying and deception because your IP address is now known, perhaps there is a more important problem than the IP address.

Click me.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

The fact this IP stuff is being made into a moral issue only proves to me that Gameplayers are really bored right now.

This is the only way I'm able to see this.

To anyone who is unclear on the matter, your IP address is not private information. If you are upset at your inability to cover up your lying and deception because your IP address is now known, perhaps there is a more important problem than the IP address.

I mean there also some upset was over the flat out lying and misdirection about it, even when called on it.

I think people are generally aware of the technical possibility to do this, but to my understanding, it's seen as somewhat seedy.

I'm not sure when it became "seen as somewhat seedy." Defenders used to do this all the time -- in fact, I'm fairly sure the tactic (as used in NationStates) originated with the ADN. For all we know, defenders still do it. Can you say, honestly and with 100% certainty, that you know there are no active defender groups engaging in this kind of data collection?

A mountain is being made out of a mole hill, again, and it's only because Ivo is responsible. These tactics have been used by both sides of R/D in espionage operations for more than a decade, and they will continue to be used by both sides of R/D when needed in the future, I'm sure. I can honestly say I don't understand why this was released to the public, that I think it undermines We Are Not the NSA's credibility and trustworthiness with sensitive information, and that, once again, raiders need to stop publicly going after each other like this.

Was it just becuase it was 94 when he said only soldiers can get PTSD? Was it only not liking kaisserreich when you said you wouldn't work with them over Nazi emblems even though they said they were no longer nazis? Was it a personal dislike for unheard-of Nephmir when people piled on his first thread from page one? Was it a personal dislike for TBR that pushed you and Venico to call them out for tagging JP's and then later dusty raider regions? I can keep going. Not every correlation is a causation. Or if it is a causation, perhaps you should consider looking at it the other way around, and consider if maybe he has a habit of doing or allowing things that chunks of the community find to be less than desirable. Not every negative post is a godamned vendetta in motion, and being unpopular doesn't negate criticism against anyone.

[Cormactopia II]

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You can try to bait me into a point by point argument all you want, Souls, but if you want to meet your quota of loud, public arguments with other raiders today, you'll have to find someone else. It's getting old and I think everyone should stop indulging your bad attitude and hostility toward your fellow raiders.

[Krimsonland]

I think all invader or R/D groups should just switch to anime flags ♡

Agreed. Someone should start a pure anime raiding group.

Call ourselves the Weeaboo Warriors or the Anime Army. Maybe even Otaku Organization.

Freiza's Army.

[The Invaders News Service]

Operation Overshadow: Zentari Conquered!
4 August 2016

At the major update, The Invaders, led by the legendary Gareth Bale, and their friends from Firehelm executed a perfect stealth invasion on Zentari, home of the infamous defender Belmaria and his "intelligence" organization. No raider activity was detected prior to the jump from nondescript regions such as The Pacific, Osiris, Balder, and Wysteria (just for The Bruce). After tonight, we have become strong proponents of Discord, as long as its many functions, including its voice chat, continue to distract defenders from update despite their numeral advantage. As is custom, we must thank the Wardens (Benevolent Thomas, Tim Stark, Altmoras, Bodobol, Shadeseeker, Dolen, Lamb Stone), SPSF (Roavin), and Vvardenfell (Funkadelia) for making a valiant attempt at defending.

The Invaders:

Marshal T E Lawrence
Staff Sergeant Rare Steakman Medium
Sergeant The Real Dread Pirate Roberts
Sergeant Borylin


Firehelm:

Lord General Sygian II
Lieutenant Personchan
Centurion Badger Vasentius
Chaos Guard Seteh
Chaos Guard Scieca VII

Furthermore, the Command Council would like to announce the formation of the Board of Officers, consisting of newly promoted up-and-rising and talented leaders such as Major Drunken Conquerors as the Chairman, as well as Lieutenant The Real Dread Pirate Roberts, Lieutenant Rare Steakman Medium, Lieutenant Tombouctu, Lieutenant Borylin, and Lieutenant The Chan Islanders. They are the future commanders of the Cause, and they will begin the training process to mold them into such.

Ego Sum Ideo Vici. Long live The Invaders!

[Stalker Queen]

Coincidentally brushing every previous concern brought up by the wider community under the carpet... Avoidance/10.

[Block II]

Congratulations Invaders and Firehelm on an execellet operation. Ivo, I'm really happy at the success of your new region and I hope it keeps up. I'm hoping to join when I get back into raiding if you'll have me.

[Plagentine]

Congratulations on the operation, it's a pleasure to help out our fellow raiders.

[Revall]

Hmm so Belmaria couldn't detect this raid using his advanced heuristics or whatever? Who could have known.

In unity there is strength

[Keltaken]

Good job everyone. This has been an interesting raid. o7

[Sygian II]

Congratulations!

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

*penny drops*

Oh it's that Belmaria.

As a Welshman I can only agree that Gareth Bale is a legend.

[Benevolent Thomas]

Hmm so Belmaria couldn't detect this raid using his advanced heuristics or whatever? Who could have known.

Even worse, the Wardens had been watching the invader lead for a few days. I don't know if development has been continuing on that script or not, but for the moment, experience seems to have the edge when it comes to spotting.

We were too busy executing our own raid on a fascist region to notice the jump on time. A well executed raid, Invaders/Firehelm.

[Fedele]

Hmm so Belmaria couldn't detect this raid using his advanced heuristics or whatever? Who could have known.

In unity there is strength

This script has missed a few stealth invasions before this one, too. No instances come to mind of meever having received one of these telegrams.

[Belmaria]

As I was the only active developer, my thread got canned, everyone hated the project, I rejoined NSGS (which consumes most of my alloted NS time now), and multiple NARIS members left the group upon discovering that we wouldn't be receiving the help that we needed, I decided to cancel future development of the engine; I don't focus on our humanint work as much either. If we can pick up steam again, I'll continue development, but I haven't even touched the engine in weeks.

[Zurkerx]

I still have a trick up my sleeve, that's if I have any sleeves.