Osiris Fraternal Order: Abdication of the Pharaoh

[Amerion]

I don't see any point in continuing a discussion about what was clearly a miscommunication, on both sides, between Amerion and the Government of Osiris. I would appreciate it if all parties would move on.

I'm glad we are on the same page

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

As you know and for the benefit of the broader public, Osiris' regional constitution requires the legislature to declare war, our regional security council to approve it, and the Pharaoh to assent.

And this means what, exactly?

The OFO will do what Cormac wants it to do, that is the lesson of the last few months. All else is gas.

[Cormactopia II]

As you know and for the benefit of the broader public, Osiris' regional constitution requires the legislature to declare war, our regional security council to approve it, and the Pharaoh to assent.

And this means what, exactly?

The OFO will do what Cormac wants it to do, that is the lesson of the last few months. All else is gas.

That is a gross distortion of the past few months in Osiris, offered by someone who could never be bothered to be active enough in Osiris to have a true grasp of what was going on there, even when you were Osiran -- which was years ago. In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about, Eluvatar.

Regardless, if you believe that "[t]he OFO will do what Cormac wants it to do" is an accurate assessment of Osiris at present, then returning to the point, there will be no "pointless sinker 'war'" between Osiris and any other Feeder or Sinker while I'm Pharaoh of Osiris. I suppose, by your distorted view of Osiris, you have my supposed iron grip on Osiris to thank for the certainty of peace between Osiris and other Feeders and Sinkers.

Stability is truly horrifying, isn't it?

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

The OFO will do what Cormac wants it to do, that is the lesson of the last few months. All else is gas.

That is a gross distortion of the past few months in Osiris, offered by someone who could never be bothered to be active enough in Osiris to have a true grasp of what was going on there, even when you were Osiran -- which was years ago. In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about, Eluvatar.

I'm rather under the impression that I'm far from alone in my perspective. Furthermore, my perspective is based almost entirely on well-known facts. There is no contradicting that the original OFO was overthrown because you lost an election. There is no reason to believe you will be bound by the new system you helped create better than the previous system you helped create.

Regardless, if you believe that "[t]he OFO will do what Cormac wants it to do" is an accurate assessment of Osiris at present, then returning to the point, there will be no "pointless sinker 'war'" between Osiris and any other Feeder or Sinker while I'm Pharaoh of Osiris. I suppose, by your distorted view of Osiris, you have my supposed iron grip on Osiris to thank for the certainty of peace between Osiris and other Feeders and Sinkers.

Yes, I have no argument against your assertion that you have no intention of engaging in such a war. It's with the notion that anything other than your (somewhat malleable) intentions stand in the way of that that I take issue.

Stability is truly horrifying, isn't it?

I wouldn't expect you to believe I would consider your autocracy stable.

[Cormactopia II]

I have no interest in debating the merits of a government that has brought an immediate end to Osiran infighting and fostered the most active month we've had on our off-site regional forum since July 2015. I don't need to debate the merits of that government with you, because Osirans already see its merits, and what you think doesn't matter.

Have a good day, Eluvatar.

[Yokiria]

There is no contradicting that the original OFO was overthrown because you lost an election.

Actually, there is, and I'll do it right now. Koth was actually the driving force behind getting rid of the original OFO. He was tired of being tired of toxic elections for Pharaoh and coup scares left and right, so he wanted a form of government where the Pharaoh was chosen, not elected. The transition for this was set into motion after Cormac lost the election because Koth and Tim didn't want 'Almighty Jesus Whale' in the delegacy for the transition, and the previous election had been a prime example for why we needed a new form of government. Cormac was then brought in to help transition the government as Pharaoh, because of Koth's WA ban and the fact Tim would rather have his head put in a blender than serve another term as a GCR delegate.

Also, I wouldn't have supported this government if it was a hissy fit thrown in response to an election loss. So my presence in the new and much-improved OFO is contradicting your statement too.

I don't hate Osiris or Cormac. I'm just appaled by the lack of both diplomacy and effort on Osiris' part. I wouldn't let a difference of opinion stop me from trying. Had I been in your place I would have contacted the government of Lazarus to make sure the information checks out. I wouldn't be caught dead releasing an official statement on something I know could very well be untrue. Some friendly advice to the government of Osiris; Give diplomacy a shot and check your information. For your own sake, please. Believe it or not I'd actually like to see Osiris flourish. I'd have gotten involved in the region myself last year if it wasn't a ghost town.

Thank you. Thank you for your honest, constructive criticism. It's refreshing to see it in this forum. Hell, it's refreshing to see it on the internet.
We masked a nation as a citizen recently who's known for criticizing our new government on the Osiris RMB. Whether you still think us a 'ghost town' or not, CoS, come on over.

[Ikania]

That's a very nice way to put it, but in the end, Occam's Razor is your friend.

When someone is chosen by the people, you keep him. Some ridiculous notion that violating the principle of democracy will make the region great and bring stability and make the place a utopia is ridiculous. It was, from beginning to end, collective butthurt turned into action. There's no improved OFO. There's the degraded remains of what could've been.

[Yokiria]

That's a very nice way to put it, but in the end, Occam's Razor is your friend.

Razors hate me, actually.

When someone is chosen by the people, you keep him.

... Unless he shows signs of being a coup threat, and you receive intel confirming it after you've taken measures against him.

Some ridiculous notion that violating the principle of democracy will make the region great and bring stability and make the place a utopia is ridiculous.

It's such a ridiculously ridiculous notion, that it's working for multiple GCR's, including us now.

It was, from beginning to end, collective butthurt turned into action. There's no improved OFO. There's the degraded remains of what could've been.

I'm happy to see you give your honest opinion on the 'resistance' that lasted less than a week.


Anyhow, how's Grand Central?

[Ikania]

... Unless he shows signs of being a coup threat, and you receive intel confirming it after you've taken measures against him.

It's insulting not only to him but to basic intelligence and reason that you'd buy into the claims of him being a couper. And in the end, look who turned out to be the coupers.

It's such a ridiculously ridiculous notion, that it's working for multiple GCR's, including us now.

There it is, boys and girls. Dictatorship works.

It was, from beginning to end, collective butthurt turned into action. There's no improved OFO. There's the degraded remains of what could've been.

I'm happy to see you give your honest opinion on the 'resistance' that lasted less than a week. [/quote]
If a claimant to the throne dies, where do his supporters go? Not like they'll just try and prop up his corpse on a chair and rule the Kingdom. If he hadn't disappeared, there'd be a lot more out of us.

[Fedele]

There it is, boys and girls. Dictatorship works.

Shouldn't that be obvious by now?

[Myrth]

There it is, boys and girls. Dictatorship works.

Shouldn't that be obvious by now?

10+ years of enlightened rule of the Pacific and counting!

[Scardino]

Shouldn't that be obvious by now?

10+ years of enlightened rule of the Pacific and counting!

Back in 2005, when Scardino was founded, Francos Spain and Poskrebyshev were about 9 months removed from the delegacy. Considering the two of them held The Pacific for about a year, that seems to put the New Pacific Order at roughly 13 years old. There is no doubt that an endless number of democratic regions have had such uninterrupted success as the New Pacific Order. We should allow Ikania to be the first to name some. Lone Wolves United, as far as invader regions go, has been around for 11 years and has never hoisted the burden of self governance upon its members. Certainly there are numerous democratic invader or imperialist regions with much longer, more successful spans. Ikania can likewise proceed to name them.

The reality of the matter is that raiding, in itself, is a mockery and exploitation of democracy. You can choose to have a democracy and be ruled by a delegate, elected with endorsements, and adopt the inherent risk of invasions and coups. Your other option is to have a founder, a dictator incapable of being removed, and enjoy nearly absolute stability and security.

[Drop Your Pants]

Your other option is to have a founder, a dictator incapable of being removed, and enjoy nearly absolute stability and security.

Until the founder CTE's then you're buggered (happened to LWU once).

[Mallorea and Riva]

Your other option is to have a founder, a dictator incapable of being removed, and enjoy nearly absolute stability and security.

Until the founder CTE's then you're buggered (happened to LWU once).

Or until the founder decides to nuke the place like Gatesville.

[Anerastreia]

Your other option is to have a founder, a dictator incapable of being removed, and enjoy nearly absolute stability and security.

Until the founder CTE's then you're buggered (happened to LWU once).

LWU did that on purpose last year to see if you would take the bait. It took you days to notice and I hear TITO was not even the organization that noticed! Some war effort on their part. For shame.

[Zaolat]

Until the founder CTE's then you're buggered (happened to LWU once).

LWU did that on purpose last year to see if you would take the bait. It took you days to notice and I hear TITO was not even the organization that noticed! Some war effort on their part. For shame.

For shame!

[Drop Your Pants]

LWU did that on purpose last year to see if you would take the bait. It took you days to notice and I hear TITO was not even the organization that noticed! Some war effort on their part. For shame.

Wasn't referring to last year, think it was 3 years ago or more. EW was away and the founder died. Think we defended it for an update by endorsing an old native

[Evil Wolf]

Wasn't referring to last year, think it was 3 years ago or more. EW was away and the founder died. Think we defended it for an update by endorsing an old native

Ah, you're talking about 2010, and my nation didn't CTE long enough for the update to even occur. It was dead for a mere few hours and revived just before that night's update, much to the disappointment of many defenders who had already entered the region to "defend it".

Actually, I recall it was TBH who were going to stage a true defense of the region, but didn't have to in the end. All the defenders were there to "preemptively liberate" the region, presumptive from those nasty Wolf raiders. I believe TITO was there and remember my delegate changing for an update to someone who wasn't a LWU native at all.

[Drop Your Pants]

There were some noob raiders already in there (not LWU) trying to raid it. It was bad enough that i had to put my puppet into the WA. But nothing happened because you came back

Anyway, wrong topic for this conversation. Sorry Osiris.

[Fedele]

As if it weren't bad enough that you invaded regions, now you feel the need to invade our thread.

[Evil Wolf]

There were some noob raiders already in there (not LWU) trying to raid it.

Ah yes, as we all very well know, "newbie raiders" always show up to every region whose founder has CTE'd a mere few hours ago. Yes, newbie raiders who suddenly appeared out of nowhere with no defined group or region and who later use their nations on defenses and liberations.

"Newbie Raiders" indeed.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Bring it back to Osiris folks.

[Cormactopia II]

A Statement from the Osiris Fraternal Order
On the Regional Alignment of Osiris

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Since the Osiris Fraternal Order was established in December 2013, the government of Osiris has consistently leaned in a raider direction. At times, the Osiris Fraternal Order has identified itself with an explicitly raider alignment. At other times, there has been more of an emphasis on an independent or non-aligned direction. Since the dissolution of our previous system of government in April of this year, the Osiris Fraternal Order has adopted a non-aligned position to give our regional community breathing room to organically grow and establish an identity for itself independent of concerns regarding alignment. While this period of internal reflection and growth has been beneficial, it is important, having given ourselves time to pause and focus more on internal matters, to now let our friends and allies know where the Osiris Fraternal Order stands.

After much discussion within the Council of Viziers, the Osiris Fraternal Order reaffirms that we stand with our raider friends and allies, as well as non-aligned, independent, and imperialist friends and allies who value the exercise of their sovereign right to engage in military operations that involve invasion. This should come as no surprise. When Osiris was fighting for its sovereignty against occupying forces in July 2013, it was military and diplomatic efforts undertaken primarily by independent and imperialist friends that lead to restoration of our sovereignty. When the Osiris Fraternal Order was declared in December 2013, it was raider, non-aligned, independent, and imperialist friends, several of whom would soon after become formal allies, who stood with us and supported the transition from chaos to order, from conflict to peace. When measures were taken earlier this year to restore order as chaos once again threatened our community, it was raider friends like The Black Hawks, Lone Wolves United, and HYDRA Command, as well as non-aligned, independent, and imperialist friends and allies like Balder, The East Pacific, The Land of Kings and Emperors, the Pacific Order, the West Pacific, and others who continued to honor the strong bonds between our regions.

The Osiris Fraternal Order proudly and without reservation declares that the alignment of the Osiran government, the foreign affairs agenda it will undertake as we move forward, and the military direction we will pursue will continue to be a raider alignment. We will continue to work hand in hand with our friends and allies to diplomatically and militarily pursue our mutual interests, including the most fundamental interest of all, the sovereign right to use military force as we see fit and according to our interests. We stand with our friends and allies in resisting the siren song of a rigid ideology that shrouds itself in moralistic bombast to conceal its true aim, which is to bring sovereign regions to heel under the authority of a small, cosmopolitan elite, which pledges true allegiance to no region but only to The Cause. Our method is raiding, but our message is regionalism. We will not bow to a tiny elite obsessed with the accumulation of power and prestige for themselves at the expense of their regions and others' regions, an elite that has, time and again, proven itself hostile to Osiris.

It should be noted, however, that not every defender is part of this global cosmopolitan elite. Indeed, most defenders are not. Defender citizens of the Osiris Fraternal Order have proven their dedication to our regional community. Other defenders in other regions have similarly shown their dedication. Hostility toward an elite few should not be construed as hostility toward all defenders, particularly our own citizens. We continue to value our defender citizens and the contributions they make every single day to our regional community, including at the highest levels of our regional government. We do not ask from them anymore than they are already giving to Osiris, or to choose between Osiris and defending. There is no inherent conflict between regionalism and defensive military operations, only between regionalism and the cosmopolitan power grabbing engaged in by the tiny defender political oligarchy. While this conflict may, at times, see us at odds with defenders on the battle field, it will not see us at odds with each other in our own region, a region that belongs as much to our defender citizens as it does to our raider citizens and citizens of other alignments.

Defender citizens of the Osiris Fraternal Order will continue to be included in all aspects of our regional community, and will continue to enjoy the certainty that as long as they show their dedication to Osiris as any Osiran is expected to do, they will be rewarded with advancement in Osiris. The Osiris Fraternal Order has always sought to reward merit rather than ideological or political popularity. Even as we pursue a regionalist raider policy in foreign affairs and military operations, we will continue to ensure that defender citizens are respected and valued. We are not the Alliance Defense Network, the Red Liberty Alliance, 10000 Islands, or the Founderless Regions Alliance. While the defender cosmopolitan elite pursue extremism and exclusion, as they have for years, we prefer debate and inclusion. We would prefer to meet our fellow citizens who happen to be defender on the battle field in a spirit of friendly competition, reserving hostility only for the defender political elite who are and have always been hostile to a sovereign and stable Osiris. To further the aim of inclusion, a new Pharaonic Guard will immediately be created that will allow defenders and others who wish to contribute to defense of Osiris as well as defensive operations limited to our friends and allies to do so, without participating in the raiding operations of the Sekhmet Legion.

For two and a half years, the Osiris Fraternal Order has walked a raider path, at times hindered by the political realities of our previous chaotic system of government. In making our alignment official today, we celebrate that Osiris now has a much more stable system of government that will be better prepared to walk this path with consistency and focus. We look forward to working more actively with our fellow raiders, as well as non-aligned, independent, and imperialist regions on their raiding operations, and we hope that everyone throughout NationStates who is interested in raiding will give Osiris a fresh look. We are no longer the Osiris you've heard about, the Osiris dominated by paranoia, political posturing, and power grabbing. That Osiris died in April. This Osiris is a community united, a community dedicated to cooperation and growth, a community that isn't afraid to take a stand and stay a course even while remaining welcoming of debate and competition. This Osiris is an Osiris that stands proudly for regionalism and for raiding. We invite you to stand with us.

[Adytus]

A very interesting and educational read on Osiris, Pharaoh! Your remarks on debate and inclusion were certainly notable.

[Scardino]

Celebrate well.