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Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:49 am**

Block II wrote:I've never used or endorsed predator. I'd like the ruling against me reversed.

Awww.. I wanted to make that joke.. you beat me too it..

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:46 am**

The thing is, I'm not joking

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:30 pm**

Luziyca wrote:If this punishment gets repealed, then how long will it take until those people on that list claim that they were railroaded?

This isn't even an issue. As previously pointed out, Predator Punishments are outside the regular appeals process. The majority of the Moderation Team has already ruled on the initial punishments and such an appeal would be pointless.

Tex is a special case, one which the Mods are specifically allowing an appeal to occur. There is no slippery slope, Luz, this is a well controlled and Moderation-supported chance for one, and only one, person to appeal their Predator punishment. All the others can complain all they want, but their fate is already sealed.

Either way, let's pretend for a second that Moderation did open up appeals to all Predator Punishments and found that they had made errors and perhaps admitted to their mistakes, something which isn't unprecedented, and overturned a few of their previous punishments.

What's so horrible about that again? I mean, other than something-something-ebil raiders.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:37 pm**

As I currently understand the situation, Texasa did have Predator on his computer at one point but never ran the program. He was only a private in DEN and never participated in any actual raids. If the only evidence that Texasa used predator is his confession, I ask that his penalty be dismissed. In that confession, he had a confused idea of what predator was, thinking that it was related to NS++.
Thank you for your consideration. I hope this is resolved in the fairest possible way.

Note: This appeal was written by a third-party.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:39 pm**

Pro Life Nation wrote:As I currently understand the situation, Texasa did have Predator on his computer at one point but never ran the program. He was only a private in DEN and never participated in any actual raids. If the only evidence that Texasa used predator is his confession, I ask that his penalty be dismissed. In that confession, he had a confused idea of what predator was, thinking that it was related to NS++.
Thank you for your consideration. I hope this is resolved in the fairest possible way.

Note: This appeal was written by a third-party.

Do you have nay idea how Texasa managed to get his hands on Predator?

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:50 pm**

Ovybia wrote:I will be posting the final appeal here when it is ready for submission.

Pro Life Nation wrote:As I currently understand the situation, Texasa did have Predator on his computer at one point but never ran the program. He was only a private in DEN and never participated in any actual raids. If the only evidence that Texasa used predator is his confession, I ask that his penalty be dismissed. In that confession, he had a confused idea of what predator was, thinking that it was related to NS++.
Thank you for your consideration. I hope this is resolved in the fairest possible way.

Note: This appeal was written by a third-party.

Please tell me this is not that product of two weeks' work. Please?

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:52 pm**

Pro Life Nation wrote:As I currently understand the situation, Texasa did have Predator on his computer at one point but never ran the program... If the only evidence that Texasa used predator is his confession...

You assert that Texasa did have Predator on his computer but then ask for his penalty to be dismissed if the only evidence Moderation has is his confession. Either you're hiding hard evidence, such as screenshots, that prove your "assertion" (which would put Right to Life in jeopardy of interfering with investigation), or you still don't understand the situation. For some reason, I'm thinking it's the latter. Is this really the result of two weeks of deliberation?

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:04 pm**

General Knot wrote:
Pro Life Nation wrote:As I currently understand the situation, Texasa did have Predator on his computer at one point but never ran the program... If the only evidence that Texasa used predator is his confession...

You assert that Texasa

He is Texasa. At this stage he's better of rolling with the statement that he and his people have crafted for him. Submit your appeal. If there are followups confer with your "counsel".

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:09 pm**

Pro Life Nation wrote:As I currently understand the situation, Texasa did have Predator on his computer at one point but never ran the program. He was only a private in DEN and never participated in any actual raids. If the only evidence that Texasa used predator is his confession, I ask that his penalty be dismissed. In that confession, he had a confused idea of what predator was, thinking that it was related to NS++.
Thank you for your consideration. I hope this is resolved in the fairest possible way.

Note: This appeal was written by a third-party.

Lying will only set back your cause.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:19 pm**

We Are Not the NSA wrote:
Pro Life Nation wrote:As I currently understand the situation, Texasa did have Predator on his computer at one point but never ran the program. He was only a private in DEN and never participated in any actual raids. If the only evidence that Texasa used predator is his confession, I ask that his penalty be dismissed. In that confession, he had a confused idea of what predator was, thinking that it was related to NS++.
Thank you for your consideration. I hope this is resolved in the fairest possible way.

Note: This appeal was written by a third-party.

Lying will will only set back your cause.

written by someone else =/= posted by someone else

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:24 pm**

Armed Citizens wrote:
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Lying will will only set back your cause.
written by someone else =/= posted by someone else

Yeah, I misinterpreted what that line meant, my bad.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:35 pm**

Pro Life Nation wrote:As I currently understand the situation, Texasa did have Predator on his computer at one point but never ran the program. He was only a private in DEN and never participated in any actual raids. If the only evidence that Texasa used predator is his confession, I ask that his penalty be dismissed. In that confession, he had a confused idea of what predator was, thinking that it was related to NS++.
Thank you for your consideration. I hope this is resolved in the fairest possible way.

Note: This appeal was written by a third-party.

Texasa, we were not finished drafting it. CD wanted to look over it first. He knows more about the situation than I do

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Please tell me this is not that product of two weeks' work. Please?

I have real world problems, just like everyone else. I've been off NS for the past 3 days and before that I was off for another 3 days. You need to stop this. As for the appeal, I finished writing my version over a week ago and I'm waiting on CD and Texasa.

Posted: **Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:34 pm**

I'm waiting on UM. I just promised to reconcile your draft and his once both of you are finished conversing with Texasa.

Posted: **Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:45 am**

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Ovybia wrote:I will be posting the final appeal here when it is ready for submission.

Pro Life Nation wrote:As I currently understand the situation, Texasa did have Predator on his computer at one point but never ran the program. He was only a private in DEN and never participated in any actual raids. If the only evidence that Texasa used predator is his confession, I ask that his penalty be dismissed. In that confession, he had a confused idea of what predator was, thinking that it was related to NS++.
Thank you for your consideration. I hope this is resolved in the fairest possible way.

Note: This appeal was written by a third-party.

Please tell me this is not that product of two weeks' work. Please?

Agreed.

I don't think the onus was ever on RTL to write any appeal at all, but once you've taken on the job, this is a pathetic attempt.

I'm happy to read that CD says it is not final.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:36 pm**

Gest II wrote:
Pro Life Nation wrote:Texasa Is innocent, His Puppet Boscovs Was the menace behind this.

I don't know Texasa but I'm pretty sure he is being railroaded since his conviction is likely based on him being reported for what he said in this forum: http://w11.zetaboards.com/NS_Right_to_Life

"I am Used to their Tool Known as Predator, In which produces multiple puppets at once, 1 of which is a WA puppet."

Someone who made such a statement clearly has no actual idea what it does and it would be foolish to punish someone based on such a fantastical confession.

I'd bet money he was talking about making puppets using NS++ which he confused into Predator, and then he was asked to confess.

According to this, I'm going to assume that if I claim that a nation that I create was in DEN and used Predator by confessing on any forum linked to NationStates, like:

"I'm ______, and I was in DEN. I used Predator but made sure no one knew."

then, action would be taken and I would be punished. If someone disagrees with me, I would like to see them follow these steps:

-Refound/get a nation that you've had in DEN/can claim to have been in DEN;
-Go to an offsite forum related to NationStates or a forum on NationStates and 'confess' that you've used Predator during your time with DEN.

If you don't get punished, then I'm wrong.

I wonder if this will result in an increase of Predator 'confessions'... how will the Moderators know who's saying the truth or not? Will they punish them all? some? none?

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:32 pm**

Found My Puppet's Account on DEN's off-site forum! Boscov's is convicted! Texasa is innocent! Boscov's is Texasa's Puppet! http://w11.zetaboards.com/DEN/profile/4181155/

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:35 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:48 pm**

Pro Life Nation wrote:Found My Puppet's Account on DEN's off-site forum! Boscov's is convicted! Texasa is innocent! Boscov's is Texasa's Puppet! http://w11.zetaboards.com/DEN/profile/4181155/

Texasa, please don't post until we are ready to submit your appeal.

I have asked CD to speed up the appeal writing process. I realize this taking way too long.

Posted: **Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:13 pm**

Pro Life Nation wrote:Found My Puppet's Account on DEN's off-site forum! Boscov's is convicted! Texasa is innocent! Boscov's is Texasa's Puppet! http://w11.zetaboards.com/DEN/profile/4181155/

You realise that it doesn't matter which puppet of yours was on the DEN forum, so long as it was one of your puppets?

Honestly since you appear to want this punishment so much, even confessing to something you didn't do, for attention or otherwise, maybe we should just let you have it?

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:57 am**

Guy wrote:
Pro Life Nation wrote:Found My Puppet's Account on DEN's off-site forum! Boscov's is convicted! Texasa is innocent! Boscov's is Texasa's Puppet! http://w11.zetaboards.com/DEN/profile/4181155/

You realise that it doesn't matter which puppet of yours was on the DEN forum, so long as it was one of your puppets?

Honestly since you appear to want this punishment so much, even confessing to something you didn't do, for attention or otherwise, maybe we should just let you have it?

Well,That's not true, Texasa Was never in Den, (look at my nation's history) But Boscov's was.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:08 am**

Pro Life Nation wrote:
Guy wrote:You realise that it doesn't matter which puppet of yours was on the DEN forum, so long as it was one of your puppets?

Honestly since you appear to want this punishment so much, even confessing to something you didn't do, for attention or otherwise, maybe we should just let you have it?

Well,That's not true, Texasa Was never in Den, (look at my nation's history) But Boscov's was.

Clarify, please. Are Texasa and Boscov separate players or separate puppets of the same player?

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:14 am**

Pro Life Nation wrote:
Guy wrote:You realise that it doesn't matter which puppet of yours was on the DEN forum, so long as it was one of your puppets?

Honestly since you appear to want this punishment so much, even confessing to something you didn't do, for attention or otherwise, maybe we should just let you have it?

Well,That's not true, Texasa Was never in Den, (look at my nation's history) But Boscov's was.

Boscov is a puppet of yours, yes?
If so, which account's name you used when joining Den hardly matters, as far as innocence or guilt goes, since it's still the same person behind it.
For example, let's say I decided to create a new account for myself, under the name of, say, 'Raiders are lame'. Now, let's say I was to post spammy messages on someone's RMB, or the like. The fact that the deed happened under another name is by no means a writ of innocence on my part, regardless of whether it was under my usual name or not.

Now. This might be pure conjecture and overinterpretation, but I'd guess that, since the Den joining happened under the name of Boscov, you'd have preferred that, if any of your nations had been deleted over the Predator admission, it'd have been that one, rather than Texasa?
To put it shortly, it's unlikely to happen, since, if I'm not mistaken, Texasa was your main account.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:00 am**

Leafish wrote:'Raiders are lame'.

Nuuuuuuuuuuu

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:06 am**

Leafish wrote:
Pro Life Nation wrote:Well,That's not true, Texasa Was never in Den, (look at my nation's history) But Boscov's was.

Boscov is a puppet of yours, yes?
If so, which account's name you used when joining Den hardly matters, as far as innocence or guilt goes, since it's still the same person behind it.
For example, let's say I decided to create a new account for myself, under the name of, say, 'Raiders are lame'. Now, let's say I was to post spammy messages on someone's RMB, or the like. The fact that the deed happened under another name is by no means a writ of innocence on my part, regardless of whether it was under my usual name or not.

Now. This might be pure conjecture and overinterpretation, but I'd guess that, since the Den joining happened under the name of Boscov, you'd have preferred that, if any of your nations had been deleted over the Predator admission, it'd have been that one, rather than Texasa?
To put it shortly, it's unlikely to happen, since, if I'm not mistaken, Texasa was your main account.

However, the mods generally delete the offending puppet on the first DEATable offence, then the puppet and the main, pupetsweep, DOS.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:15 am**

Drasnia wrote:
Leafish wrote:
Boscov is a puppet of yours, yes?
If so, which account's name you used when joining Den hardly matters, as far as innocence or guilt goes, since it's still the same person behind it.
For example, let's say I decided to create a new account for myself, under the name of, say, 'Raiders are lame'. Now, let's say I was to post spammy messages on someone's RMB, or the like. The fact that the deed happened under another name is by no means a writ of innocence on my part, regardless of whether it was under my usual name or not.

Now. This might be pure conjecture and overinterpretation, but I'd guess that, since the Den joining happened under the name of Boscov, you'd have preferred that, if any of your nations had been deleted over the Predator admission, it'd have been that one, rather than Texasa?
To put it shortly, it's unlikely to happen, since, if I'm not mistaken, Texasa was your main account.

However, the mods generally delete the offending puppet on the first DEATable offence, then the puppet and the main, pupetsweep, DOS.

It's a special circumstance, what with him using Predator and all.

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