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Illegal Script Usage "Predator": Punishments

Postby Sedgistan » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:31 am

As announced recently, the "Predator" update tool breaks site rules, and appears to be explicitly designed to do so. This is the second serious deliberate scripting violation that we have seen in recent times, and the latest in a string of collaborations with DOS players by members of the raider community.

A large number of players were involved in the use of this tool, and all are being punished.The nature of these punishments is determined by a number of factors, including the extent the tool was used, the level of collaboration with DOS players, whether the player has confessed or apologised for their actions, any assistance they have provided us with our investigations, their prior record, and several other variables.

The following punishments are thus being handed out:

*** 3 month WA ban, deletion of main nation ***
  • Ambroscus Koth
  • Aurum Rider
  • Camo5768
  • Feuer Ritter
  • Gladio
  • Knot II
  • Kknight
  • The Type 49 TARDIS
  • 94 Block
  • Vandoosa
  • Wetwork
  • Texasa (enacted 31/05/16) Appealed and granted 01/07/16
*** 6 month WA ban, puppetsweep ***
  • Varax Oni
*** 6 month WA ban, puppetsweep, and DOS on next offence ***
  • Festavo/Trick Shot
*** 9 month WA ban, puppetsweep ***
  • Hired Contractor
  • Kleomentia/Marselesk
  • Lord Nuke
  • Nordic Arbor
*** 12 month WA ban, puppetsweep ***
  • ChingisOtchigin
  • Gest
*** DOS ***
  • WraithFin
  • Coraxion (enacted 18th March)

If any player above is involved in use of an illegal script in the future, they will be DOSed. If any of them attempts to avoid their WA ban, they will be DOSed. If any of them violates the rules in any way while their punishment is in effect, we will at a minimum extend the WA ban by a further 3 months, and potentially DOS them. You are all on extremely thin ice. If any other player attempts to help one of the above evade their punishment, they will find themselves punished severely, potentially including being DOSed.

In addition, we have decided to enact punishments on some of the regions involved, specifically DEN and Cimmeria. While a number of regions have made use of Predator (including The Black Hawks), both DEN and Cimmeria are effectively successors to The Black Riders, who were involved in the last serious script violation. A culture of rule-breaking has become institutionalised in these regions, where using illegal scripts to gain unfair advantages and collaborating with DOS players is considered the norm. Punishing the players involved last time was not enough, and nor was a recruitment ban on the region.

As such, we're *** deleting the regions of DEN and Cimmeria, and all of their trophy regions. *** Players should not attempt to re-found these regions; they will be taken into mod custody, and the "trophy regions" gradually released for player at an undetermined point in the future. DEN and Cimmeria will remain permanently prohibited regions. The creation or development of DEN or Cimmeria themed successor regions is equally prohibited until such time as we determine otherwise. In addition, we are *** ending all current DEN and Cimmeria occupations. ***

These punishments are being enacted now - due to the scale of them, it will take some time, and the deletion of trophy regions could take a day to sort. There is a chance we may miss off regions - please let us know if this is the case, but only once we have confirmed in the thread that we have finished enacting the punishments.

Players should note that any attempt to interfere in the enacting of these punishments (e.g. by attempting to obscure a current DEN occupation or trophy region) will be severely punished.

If you have questions, they may be asked in this thread. As ever, gloating is prohibited and will result in warnings.

EDIT 30/04/16: As per this post, the intent of the WA bans is to ban those players from any in-game involvement with invasions. Any of the players currently under a WA ban for Predator involvement should not serve as Regional Officers outside their home regions for the duration of their ban. Any that are currently violating this should submit a GHR immediately so that we can mod-dismiss them, and should not use their RO powers in the meantime.
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Postby Stalker Queen » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:03 am

I have a couple of questions:

The below regions have been founded by North East Somerset. They are, in no way, affiliated with Predator users:
What is to be the fate of these regions?
I am a non-Predator user and I own The United Study Group which was a gift to me from Gest. What is to be its fate?

EDIT: DEN Military HQ, The New DEN and DEN HQ all predate the present-day TBR/Cimmeria/DEN by about a decade.

FURTHER EDIT: Funen if I recall was founded by Charlotte Ryberg/Minoa?

ANOTHER EDIT: Typo.
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Postby Jeffersonborg » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:19 am

Sedgistan wrote:As such, we're *** deleting the regions of DEN and Cimmeria, and all of their trophy regions. *** Players should not attempt to re-found these regions; they will be taken into mod custody, and the "trophy regions" gradually released for player at an undetermined point in the future.


How will this be enforced? DEN's trophy regions come in all sorts of names that could be about anything, from RL countries to random topics of interest. The mod message on the WFE only last for one update and the region is deleted. Afterwards, people won't even know whether region they refounded was a DEN trophy region unless they do some digging around.

I'm outing myself here that I want to refound a region that DEN hawked from me, after I tried to refound the region when the original founder CTEd. We've moved to a similarly named region, but I really want the chance to take the original name back.

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Postby Kyrusia » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:22 am

Jeffersonborg wrote:How will this be enforced?

With great difficulty.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:25 am

Kyrusia wrote:
Jeffersonborg wrote:How will this be enforced?

With great difficulty.

And several mods not getting much sleep tonight.
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Postby Cormactopia II » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:30 am

Stalker Queen wrote:I have a couple of questions:

The below regions have been founded by North East Somerset. They are, in no way, affiliated with Predator users:
What is to be the fate of these regions?
I am a non-Predator user and I own The United Study Group which was a gift to me from Gest. What is to be its fate?

EDIT: DEN Military HQ, The New DEN and DEN HQ all predate the present-day TBR/Cimmeria/DEN by about a decade.

FURTHER EDIT: Funen if I recall was founded by Charlotte Ryberg/Minoa?

ANOTHER EDIT: Typo.

Along these lines, I should note that The DEN is owned by Evil Wolf -- who is not a Predator user, nor is anyone from Lone Wolves United, the region of which he is Founder -- and has never been affiliated with this incarnation of DEN. Will it also be deleted? I'm not saying it shouldn't be, I'm just inquiring, because Evil Wolf is rarely around and probably won't reply to this in time.

I do feel that I need to request some clarification:

Sedgistan wrote:While a number of regions have made use of Predator (including The Black Hawks and Osiris), both DEN and Cimmeria are effectively successors to The Black Riders, who were involved in the last serious script violation.

Osiris hasn't turned up any evidence that Predator was used on behalf of our region. The only Osirans on the list of Predator users have claimed that they only used Predator on behalf of other regions (DEN, Cimmeria, or The Black Hawks). Unless Moderation has evidence to the contrary, I respectfully request a correction of that, as being named as a Predator user region could have a significantly detrimental impact on Osiris' reputation. If Moderation does have evidence of Predator use on behalf of Osiris, whoever used Predator for Osiris had better come forward and let us know about it.

These penalties for Predator users seem more than fair. Thank you to Moderation for what was no doubt an arduous decision making process.
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Postby The Will of Kane » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:32 am

I have NEVER deliberately broken the site rules and that's not going to start now with efforts at circumvention etc.
Anyway, my question is can I found a nation of similar name to my deleted one or is that not the done thing. Having never been in this situation I really don't know.

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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:33 am

The Will of Kane wrote:I have NEVER deliberately broken the site rules and that's not going to start now with efforts at circumvention etc.
Anyway, my question is can I found a nation of similar name to my deleted one or is that not the done thing. Having never been in this situation I really don't know.

Nation name is fine- it's the regions that we're going all "No, bad DEN, no biscuit!" at.
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Postby Jeffersonborg » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:35 am

Reploid Productions wrote:
Kyrusia wrote:With great difficulty.

And several mods not getting much sleep tonight.


My main point is that I'll be risking mod sanction knowing the region I want to recover is available, but not able to be refounded until 'an undetermined point in the future'. I'll be wondering every day for weeks, whether it's that day has arrived and it's ok to refound it yet. But I won't know until I actually do it.

I suppose the same rules are there to protect against trophy collectors, but it makes me uneasy. A look at my puppets/past history with that region name will show why I legitimately want that region back (and that I have nothing to do with R/D), but I know from past instances that the mods won't take subjective factors into account....

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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:35 am

I appreciate that a lot of people will have questions about specific regions. We will answer those - but at the moment, we're slogging through several hundred DEN occupied/tagged/re-founded regions and sorting them out, so answers won't come immediately.

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Postby Cormactopia II » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:39 am

I should note that Radioactive Desert is the latest updating region in NationStates and was, until ten days ago, held by DEN, and previously by The Black Riders. The region was cleared and the WFE erased, but I suspect that was in anticipation of something like this happening, and Moderation may want to clear and re-found it as well. Otherwise the successor region(s) -- and we know there will be one or more, they just won't be explicitly related to DEN -- will have the latest updating region in NationStates as their jump point and puppet storage.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:48 am

Cormactopia II wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:While a number of regions have made use of Predator (including The Black Hawks and Osiris), both DEN and Cimmeria are effectively successors to The Black Riders, who were involved in the last serious script violation.

Osiris hasn't turned up any evidence that Predator was used on behalf of our region. The only Osirans on the list of Predator users have claimed that they only used Predator on behalf of other regions (DEN, Cimmeria, or The Black Hawks). Unless Moderation has evidence to the contrary, I respectfully request a correction of that, as being named as a Predator user region could have a significantly detrimental impact on Osiris' reputation. If Moderation does have evidence of Predator use on behalf of Osiris, whoever used Predator for Osiris had better come forward and let us know about it.

I've removed mention of Osiris from the post for the time being.

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Postby Cormactopia II » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:53 am

Sedgistan wrote:
Cormactopia II wrote:Osiris hasn't turned up any evidence that Predator was used on behalf of our region. The only Osirans on the list of Predator users have claimed that they only used Predator on behalf of other regions (DEN, Cimmeria, or The Black Hawks). Unless Moderation has evidence to the contrary, I respectfully request a correction of that, as being named as a Predator user region could have a significantly detrimental impact on Osiris' reputation. If Moderation does have evidence of Predator use on behalf of Osiris, whoever used Predator for Osiris had better come forward and let us know about it.

I've removed mention of Osiris from the post for the time being.

Thank you Sedge.

Cormactopia II wrote:I should note that Radioactive Desert is the latest updating region in NationStates and was, until ten days ago, held by DEN, and previously by The Black Riders. The region was cleared and the WFE erased, but I suspect that was in anticipation of something like this happening, and Moderation may want to clear and re-found it as well. Otherwise the successor region(s) -- and we know there will be one or more, they just won't be explicitly related to DEN -- will have the latest updating region in NationStates as their jump point and puppet storage.

I see the Founder of Radioactive Desert has in fact been deleted, as of a few minutes ago. Is Radioactive Desert one of the regions that players should not attempt to re-found? Its WFE does not include the same message as the others.
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Postby Liberonscien » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:59 am

Wow. Just, wow.

My region was raided a few weeks ago. Will I have to worry about it getting DEATed?
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:15 am

Jeffersonborg wrote:I'm outing myself here that I want to refound a region that DEN hawked from me, after I tried to refound the region when the original founder CTEd. We've moved to a similarly named region, but I really want the chance to take the original name back.

Jeffersonborg wrote:My main point is that I'll be risking mod sanction knowing the region I want to recover is available, but not able to be refounded until 'an undetermined point in the future'. I'll be wondering every day for weeks, whether it's that day has arrived and it's ok to refound it yet. But I won't know until I actually do it.

I suppose the same rules are there to protect against trophy collectors, but it makes me uneasy. A look at my puppets/past history with that region name will show why I legitimately want that region back (and that I have nothing to do with R/D), but I know from past instances that the mods won't take subjective factors into account....

GHR a request. In some cases we may be able to help: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=373233
Cormactopia II wrote:I see the Founder of Radioactive Desert has in fact been deleted, as of a few minutes ago. Is Radioactive Desert one of the regions that players should not attempt to re-found? Its WFE does not include the same message as the others.

WFE fixed.
Liberonscien wrote:My region was raided a few weeks ago. Will I have to worry about it getting DEATed?
I fixed the damage a couple of weeks ago.

We're not deleting regions for having been invaded.

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Postby The Will of Kane » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:22 am

Out of curiosity..."While a number of regions have made use of Predator (including The Black Hawks)"
Why is TBH given special mention when the 'Number of Regions" remain nameless?

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Postby Cormactopia II » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:29 am

Will Ile de France be cleared and re-founded?

I did see the note about answers regarding individual regions being delayed, so I'm not expecting a quick answer. Thanks.
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:32 am

What a blood bath. Makes me positively feel like I was the only DENizen not using that illegal script. Looks like sometimes it really pays to be a adhoc , semi-loyal maverick!

Looks like even Gest wasn't clean.

Well, might be time to hang up the old raiding helmet. I wonder what life in the fendas is like? Or maybe I could settle down and retire in Paradoxia; they were a fantastic region when I helped occupy them, always seeing the bright side of things and crafting a well-written RP out of their liberation.
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Postby Seirawan » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:34 am

Cormactopia II wrote:Will Ile de France be cleared and re-founded?

I did see the note about answers regarding individual regions being delayed, so I'm not expecting a quick answer. Thanks.


And if so, will Mikeswill's Nationstates be as well?

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Postby Cormactopia II » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:37 am

Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:Well, might be time to hang up the old raiding helmet. I wonder what life in the fendas is like? Or maybe I could settle down and retire in Paradoxia; they were a fantastic region when I helped occupy them, always seeing the bright side of things and crafting a well-written RP out of their liberation.

There are other raider regions still in existence, and there likely will be new ones founded or old ones revived, so you probably don't need to quit raiding. Wanting to, of course, is completely your choice, I just thought I would point out there is raiding life beyond DEN.
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Postby Jeffersonborg » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:37 am

Sedgistan wrote:
Jeffersonborg wrote:I'm outing myself here that I want to refound a region that DEN hawked from me, after I tried to refound the region when the original founder CTEd. We've moved to a similarly named region, but I really want the chance to take the original name back.

Jeffersonborg wrote:My main point is that I'll be risking mod sanction knowing the region I want to recover is available, but not able to be refounded until 'an undetermined point in the future'. I'll be wondering every day for weeks, whether it's that day has arrived and it's ok to refound it yet. But I won't know until I actually do it.

I suppose the same rules are there to protect against trophy collectors, but it makes me uneasy. A look at my puppets/past history with that region name will show why I legitimately want that region back (and that I have nothing to do with R/D), but I know from past instances that the mods won't take subjective factors into account....

GHR a request. In some cases we may be able to help: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... 2&t=373233


Thanks Sedge, GHR filed under my other nation. Hope the admins would consider it.

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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:45 am

Cormactopia II wrote:
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:Well, might be time to hang up the old raiding helmet. I wonder what life in the fendas is like? Or maybe I could settle down and retire in Paradoxia; they were a fantastic region when I helped occupy them, always seeing the bright side of things and crafting a well-written RP out of their liberation.

There are other raider regions still in existence, and there likely will be new ones founded or old ones revived, so you probably don't need to quit raiding. Wanting to, of course, is completely your choice, I just thought I would point out there is raiding life beyond DEN.


Of course there is raiding beyond DEN.

I'm actually helping to build up a new raiding region A Place of Awesome (it's awesome, head over!) even as we speak.

But I must confess I've been tiring of raiding for a little while. And what's more perfect an excuse to go do something else than having the entirety of DEN obliterated by the mods? :)
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Postby CoraSpia » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:05 am

this is a sad day indeed.
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Postby McMannia Squared » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:07 am

It is a sad day indeed, but the night is always darkest before the dawn. Considering how dark things have been lately, the dawn should be here soon.

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Postby CoraSpia » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:12 am

McMannia Squared wrote:It is a sad day indeed, but the night is always darkest before the dawn. Considering how dark things have been lately, the dawn should be here soon.

With the length of those bans, I don't see a dawn anytime soon. Whatever this script may have done, the mods should respect that what den adds to the site is huge.
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