My thoughts

[Natapoc]

I don't need to work hard on a response.

All this time, I thought that defenders had a problem with recruiting and morale, and it was their problem. Silly, ignorant me. I mean, I knew that the tool directly connected to Halcones' PC, but I never knew how blatantly illegal it was and how it was killing y'all on the defender side.

I'm sorry, Thomas.
And, I extend that apology to any other defender that's pissed off at this.

This is all so, so fucked up.

(Image)

Raiders unity without accountability is conspiracy. For some reason ,probably naivete, I am inclined to believe some who claim to not use scripts that give them an advantage.

But raiders need to be sure they don't participate in raids with anyone who does. It's time for accountability after years of rule breaking.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Hoping that this nonsense of R/D collapses soon, not funny anymore, what's the thing of raiding regions? let people play in peace.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Hoping that this nonsense of R/D collapses soon, not funny anymore, what's the thing of raiding regions? let people play in peace.

Then you had better tell your delegate to resign, as that is ye only way R/D is going to stop. It uses the most basic function of the game.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Hoping that this nonsense of R/D collapses soon, not funny anymore, what's the thing of raiding regions? let people play in peace.

Then you had better tell your delegate to resign, as that is ye only way R/D is going to stop. It uses the most basic function of the game.

Why? Just because you wan't to ruin how we work in our regions, see, I was defender and since being that was useless and raiding is just annoying stuff for those who want to RP and do our gameplay away from this nonsense I retired of it.

Our delegate won't resign, I came here to give my two cents, I hope this utter nonsense disappears soon.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Then you had better tell your delegate to resign, as that is ye only way R/D is going to stop. It uses the most basic function of the game.

Why? Just because you wan't to ruin how we work in our regions, see, I was defender and since being that was useless and raiding is just annoying stuff for those who want to RP and do our gameplay away from this nonsense I retired of it.

Yeah..... You might want to back that train back up to station for a sec please? I am a defender and last time I checked anyway we do our damnedest to restore and preserve regions, not destroy them. If you were truly a defender at one time you would know this.

]Our delegate won't resign, I came here to give my two cents, I hope this utter nonsense disappears soon.

Well if your delegate won't resign then R/D isn't going anywhere, and won't be disappearing. Like I said, it uses the most basic function of the game.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Whatever, I just hope both Fendas and Raiders get vanished and this nonsense finish for once, let the other players do what they want in their regions in peace, stop ruining NS.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

If people are using password hacker tools to reveal passwords, that's clearly illegal. Like, illegal illegal, not just against NS rules illegal. And if I were a victim of it, I would get law enforcement authorities involved and raiders would be headed for real world jail. So yeah, anyone who used it should be DOS at the very least and quite possibly arrested.

[Eluvatar]

If people are using password hacker tools to reveal passwords, that's clearly illegal. Like, illegal illegal, not just against NS rules illegal. And if I were a victim of it, I would get law enforcement authorities involved and raiders would be headed for real world jail. So yeah, anyone who used it should be DOS at the very least and quite possibly arrested.

No password cracking software has been so much as mentioned in this matter.

[Lady Isolde]

If people are using password hacker tools to reveal passwords, that's clearly illegal. Like, illegal illegal, not just against NS rules illegal. And if I were a victim of it, I would get law enforcement authorities involved and raiders would be headed for real world jail. So yeah, anyone who used it should be DOS at the very least and quite possibly arrested.

I don't believe that has ever been mentioned in this thread. If you have some new evidence, however... allegations of illegal conduct should be made via GHR, as Moderator Blaat reinforced here.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

If people are using password hacker tools to reveal passwords, that's clearly illegal. Like, illegal illegal, not just against NS rules illegal. And if I were a victim of it, I would get law enforcement authorities involved and raiders would be headed for real world jail. So yeah, anyone who used it should be DOS at the very least and quite possibly arrested.

No password cracking software has been so much as mentioned in this matter.

San Jose Guayabal mentioned on IRC that it was.... I will have to have a nice long talk with him.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Whatever, I just hope both Fendas and Raiders get vanished and this nonsense finish for once, let the other players do what they want in their regions in peace, stop ruining NS.

How do you propose to so that?

If people are using password hacker tools to reveal passwords, that's clearly illegal. Like, illegal illegal, not just against NS rules illegal. And if I were a victim of it, I would get law enforcement authorities involved and raiders would be headed for real world jail. So yeah, anyone who used it should be DOS at the very least and quite possibly arrested.

Do you have further information on Predator you would like to share with us? Are you saying that Predator can actually reveal passwords of regions? If so, then this is more serious than anyone could have imagined.

[Eluvatar]

If people are using password hacker tools to reveal passwords, that's clearly illegal. Like, illegal illegal, not just against NS rules illegal. And if I were a victim of it, I would get law enforcement authorities involved and raiders would be headed for real world jail. So yeah, anyone who used it should be DOS at the very least and quite possibly arrested.

Do you have further information on Predator you would like to share with us? Are you saying that Predator can actually reveal passwords of regions? If so, then this is more serious than anyone could have imagined.

To the best of my knowledge, Predator has nothing to do with regional or for that matter national passwords. The only way it interacts with the region page is to determine whether a WA Delegate would have regional controls. It does not log in as any nation.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Do you have further information on Predator you would like to share with us? Are you saying that Predator can actually reveal passwords of regions? If so, then this is more serious than anyone could have imagined.

To the best of my knowledge, Predator has nothing to do with regional or for that matter national passwords. The only way it interacts with the region page is to determine whether a WA Delegate would have regional controls. It does not log in as any nation.

That's not what I heard, but what I heard is hearsay and I have no direct evidence.

[ChingisOtchigin]

Predator is incapable of getting regional passwords. On top of that, I'm pretty sure RL authorities don't act on something as trivial as "Nation X hacked the regional password in this game I play"

[RiderSyl]

I don't need to work hard on a response.

All this time, I thought that defenders had a problem with recruiting and morale, and it was their problem. Silly, ignorant me. I mean, I knew that the tool directly connected to Halcones' PC, but I never knew how blatantly illegal it was and how it was killing y'all on the defender side.

I'm sorry, Thomas.
And, I extend that apology to any other defender that's pissed off at this.

This is all so, so fucked up.

(Image)

Raiders unity without accountability is conspiracy. For some reason ,probably naivete, I am inclined to believe some who claim to not use scripts that give them an advantage.

But raiders need to be sure they don't participate in raids with anyone who does. It's time for accountability after years of rule breaking.

I believe I complimented you in the past. Let me do it again. Well said.

[The Silver Sentinel]

To the best of my knowledge, Predator has nothing to do with regional or for that matter national passwords. The only way it interacts with the region page is to determine whether a WA Delegate would have regional controls. It does not log in as any nation.

Yes, I am aware. I was attempting to discern whether this was a blind shot being taken, or if people had done some research first, before making accusations.

That's not what I heard, but what I heard is hearsay and I have no direct evidence.

Precisely. So you just came in here to throw out a blind accusation with absolutely no evidence to back it up, in an attempt to aggravate an already tense situation. This is precisely what we don't need right now. Things are already very tense at the moment, and all it will take is a single comment like this to set off a flame war.

[Todd McCloud]

That's not what I heard, but what I heard is hearsay and I have no direct evidence.

Precisely. So you just came in here to throw out a blind accusation with absolutely no evidence to back it up, in an attempt to aggravate an already tense situation. This is precisely what we don't need right now. Things are already very tense at the moment, and all it will take is a single comment like this to set off a flame war.

It's based on what was supposed in the NS Sports chatroom after what was probably a bad game of telephone (I think - wasn't there). Go easy on them - they're from NS Sports and are for the most part kind of far from the chaos. I highly doubt GGS was attempting to incite a riot.

It does drive home the point of how confusing this whole thing can be to someone looking on the outside in, however. Is there a summary out there that could be pointed out for this particular situation? I realize the story in this is far from complete, but heck I'll take a decent news summary even.

[Eluvatar]

To the best of my knowledge, Predator has nothing to do with regional or for that matter national passwords. The only way it interacts with the region page is to determine whether a WA Delegate would have regional controls. It does not log in as any nation.

That's not what I heard, but what I heard is hearsay and I have no direct evidence.

I am not speaking based on hearsay.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Precisely. So you just came in here to throw out a blind accusation with absolutely no evidence to back it up, in an attempt to aggravate an already tense situation. This is precisely what we don't need right now. Things are already very tense at the moment, and all it will take is a single comment like this to set off a flame war.

It's based on what was supposed in the NS Sports chatroom after what was probably a bad game of telephone (I think - wasn't there). Go easy on them - they're from NS Sports and are for the most part kind of far from the chaos. I highly doubt GGS was attempting to incite a riot.

Based on past history from what I have read this may or may not have been intentional. But for the sake of posterity I will go with your judgement on this one.

Is there a summary out there that could be pointed out for this particular situation? I realize the story in this is far from complete, but heck I'll take a decent news summary even.

It starts right here and the trainwreck just gets worse and worse from there.

[Ozzy]

Does this explain why you barely ever counter a TBR raid, BT? Because I know you kicked my ass out of multiple regions when I raided the old fashioned way, no matter how fast I was.

What does Predator do, anyways?

[Aurum Rider]

I don't really know if anyone else has done so so far, and I should have gotten around to it sooner, but I am extremely sorry. This really is something that in Invaderdom we should have caught onto so much sooner, and as someone who had no idea of the wrongdoing, I'm ashamed of the people that knew of it and didn't speak up. Granted, there's going to be a ton of scapegoating, and it's inexcusable, but I didn't know that Predator did anything illegal until Eluvatar's post in the other thread, and it blindsided me.

I honestly have no words to really explain how bad I feel that practically all of our successes over You (Thomas), and every other defender while using predator were the result of cheating, and there's no way I could say I'm sorry enough.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Does this explain why you barely ever counter a TBR raid, BT? Because I know you kicked my ass out of multiple regions when I raided the old fashioned way, no matter how fast I was.

What does Predator do, anyways?

It starts right here and the trainwreck just gets worse and worse from there.

[Benevolent Thomas]

Does this explain why you barely ever counter a TBR raid, BT? Because I know you kicked my ass out of multiple regions when I raided the old fashioned way, no matter how fast I was.

What does Predator do, anyways?

It does explain in my overall lack of success in preventing the vast majority of their raids over the past few years. It wasn't for a lack of effort though, I just wasn't playing the same game as TBR/DEN.

Predator enables a player to cheat.

[Ozzy]

It does explain in my overall lack of success in preventing the vast majority of their raids over the past few years. It wasn't for a lack of effort though, I just wasn't playing the same game as TBR/DEN.

Predator enables a player to cheat.

Oh, I understand now, and I apologize for the unbalanced gameplay you endured in the past few years.

[Drop Your Pants]

It does explain in my overall lack of success in preventing the vast majority of their raids over the past few years. It wasn't for a lack of effort though, I just wasn't playing the same game as TBR/DEN.

Predator enables a player to cheat.

Made us faster defenders BT. Put it this way, we still got the odd delegate even against a script