NationStates

My region was recently invaded by DEN. I have reset everything, and revoked all privileges for WA delegates. How can we bring them to justice? They seem to be running rampant, taking over both small and large nations. Honestly, I can see many players getting frustrated with invaders. I want people to join my nation, but not destroy it. Is there any was to give them a badge or label, or even just keep them from entering nations without submitting a request to the officers?

There's two ways to opt out. Have an active founder or a regional password. I hate raiding, but it's not going anywhere, by Max's orders.
Also, no region wants to be raided, so having to ask permission before raiding would basically shoot it in the head. Giving raiders an identifying badge would do the same. But just for fun, exactly how would you implement this labeling system? How would the game decide whether a nation was a raider?

ADST World wrote:My region was recently invaded by DEN. I have reset everything, and revoked all privileges for WA delegates. How can we bring them to justice? They seem to be running rampant, taking over both small and large nations. Honestly, I can see many players getting frustrated with invaders. I want people to join my nation, but not destroy it. Is there any was to give them a badge or label, or even just keep them from entering nations without submitting a request to the officers?

You could join DEN!

If you're the founder of a one-nation region, there's really no reason your Delegate should have had executive authority in the first place.

ADST World wrote:or even just keep them from entering nations without submitting a request to the officers?

I believe the best way you could replicate a system like that would be through this neat system called a password.

Also, this belongs in Gameplay.

ADST World wrote:My region was recently invaded by DEN. I have reset everything, and revoked all privileges for WA delegates. How can we bring them to justice? They seem to be running rampant, taking over both small and large nations. Honestly, I can see many players getting frustrated with invaders. I want people to join my nation, but not destroy it. Is there any was to give them a badge or label, or even just keep them from entering nations without submitting a request to the officers?

There is nothing that can be done that actually affects DEN's raiding capabilities. If you need help restoring your region, this factbook has some useful information.

We Are Not the NSA wrote:There is nothing that can be done that actually affects DEN's raiding capabilities.

Sure there is. DEN could quit raiding.

The Silver Sentinel wrote:

We Are Not the NSA wrote:There is nothing that can be done that actually affects DEN's raiding capabilities.

Sure there is. DEN could quit raiding.

Or DEN's founder could cease to exist. The moment that happens they're dead.

Leppikania wrote:

The Silver Sentinel wrote:Sure there is. DEN could quit raiding.

Or DEN's founder could cease to exist. The moment that happens they're dead.

Yeah, then they'll spread out and that'd make smaller regions the main targets even more so.

Leppikania wrote:

The Silver Sentinel wrote:Sure there is. DEN could quit raiding.

Or DEN's founder could cease to exist. The moment that happens they're dead.

They could go the route of the dozen or so old DENs and move to one of those regions.

The Silver Sentinel wrote:

We Are Not the NSA wrote:There is nothing that can be done that actually affects DEN's raiding capabilities.

Sure there is. DEN could quit raiding.

That wouldn't affect our raiding capabilities though. We would still be able to raid in such a scenario, but we wouldn't.

Leppikania wrote:

The Silver Sentinel wrote:Sure there is. DEN could quit raiding.

Or DEN's founder could cease to exist. The moment that happens they're dead.

Nah. TBR survived as an organization for another 12 hours after the founder cte'd; we had that last ride then parted ways. I think the same would happen with DEN.

I stand by my previous statement: There is no way of stopping DEN that does not involve DEN choosing to stop... Or Max smiting us, but I doubt that will happen.

PS I enjoy how throughout this entire thread, which is located in the SC forum and includes the question "Is there any was to give them a badge or label", not a single person has mentioned a condemnation yet. I mean, I know we all think they're useless, but he directly asked a question to which the answer should have been "we can condemn them."

I love this forum. We're just a big pile of sarcasm and hopelessness.

We Are Not the NSA wrote:I love this forum. We're just a big pile of sarcasm and hopelessness.

Hopefully someone will come up with a decent SC proposal soon which we can turn our scalpels to, rather than this same tired old drek about DEN.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:

We Are Not the NSA wrote:I love this forum. We're just a big pile of sarcasm and hopelessness.

Hopefully someone will come up with a decent SC proposal soon which we can turn our scalpels to, rather than this same tired old drek about DEN.

But the natives just need to make sure DEN has a badge of shame!!!!!!

Siburria wrote:

Leppikania wrote:Or DEN's founder could cease to exist. The moment that happens they're dead.

Yeah, then they'll spread out and that'd make smaller regions the main targets even more so.

No. They'd reorganize in a region called Mencer or Catlandatopia, and celebrate their anniversary.

The best way to avoid getting invaded is by having an iron curtain. With password protection, no membership in WA, and only letting in trusted sympathizers you will remain in control of your region.

The United Federation of Planets just got raided. An embassy between my region and theirs just closed. I feel so bad for them and am offering them a place to stay.

However, to the main point of this article, what I hate is how people think its ok to ruin others gameplay. They think its funny to do so, but I find it disgusting that someone takes pride in harming others. However they are essentially trolls, however you wish to look at it. Since Max allows raiding since he won't put in a war system, we have to put up with the bs. Regardless, we need to unite against these people if we want change. Otherwise, just brace yourself for the many wars they rage.

Emprie wrote:However, to the main point of this article, what I hate is how people think its ok to ruin others gameplay. They think its funny to do so, but I find it disgusting that someone takes pride in harming others. However they are essentially trolls, however you wish to look at it. Since Max allows raiding since he won't put in a war system, we have to put up with the bs. Regardless, we need to unite against these people if we want change. Otherwise, just brace yourself for the many wars they rage.

Do you find it disgusting when someone check-raises with a bluff to win a pot in poker? Do you find it disgusting when someone redoubles their slam bid in contract bridge? Do you find it disgusting when someone lands on a REVENGE space in The Game of Life and takes your last $120,000? Do you find it disgusting when someone uses a Mewtwo against your Squirtle?

Them's the rules, if you want to play the game, you need to play by the rules. All of them, not just the select ones you deem worthy. You want to avoid raids, keep your region protected. Have an active founder. Appoint trustworthy Regional Officers. Make friends with defenders, or even with raiders. Install a password if you have to. Going "hiss, boo, bad form" instead of securing a region is not going to earn any points here.

The Dead Parrot wrote:

Emprie wrote:However, to the main point of this article, what I hate is how people think its ok to ruin others gameplay. They think its funny to do so, but I find it disgusting that someone takes pride in harming others. However they are essentially trolls, however you wish to look at it. Since Max allows raiding since he won't put in a war system, we have to put up with the bs. Regardless, we need to unite against these people if we want change. Otherwise, just brace yourself for the many wars they rage.

Do you find it disgusting when someone check-raises with a bluff to win a pot in poker? Do you find it disgusting when someone redoubles their slam bid in contract bridge? Do you find it disgusting when someone lands on a REVENGE space in The Game of Life and takes your last $120,000? Do you find it disgusting when someone uses a Mewtwo against your Squirtle?

Them's the rules, if you want to play the game, you need to play by the rules. All of them, not just the select ones you deem worthy. You want to avoid raids, keep your region protected. Have an active founder. Appoint trustworthy Regional Officers. Make friends with defenders, or even with raiders. Install a password if you have to. Going "hiss, boo, bad form" instead of securing a region is not going to earn any points here.

1. My region is already locked down, I have no worries.

2. I still have the right to hiss and boo and throw 3rd rate popcorn at them.

3. Your analogies do not work. Those games have that as part of the game because there is a need for it in the game. I was under the impression that this was about running a nation based on your political ideals and debating issues on the world stage, not about trolling and interfering with other people's right to play the game. It's like a MMO. If someone likes to run PvE ques all the time, why should they be forced to run PvP rounds because someone wants to beat up on them?

Emprie wrote:1. My region is already locked down, I have no worries.

2. I still have the right to hiss and boo and throw 3rd rate popcorn at them.

On 1, that was more of a general "you" than a specific "you". On #2, of course you have that right, no one's saying you don't. Whining about them playing the game doesn't do any good, that's my point. (For the record, I do hiss and boo at DEN on occasion, like when they recently invaded one of our own embassy regions, England, but not here.)

3. Your analogies do not work. Those games have that as part of the game because there is a need for it in the game. I was under the impression that this was about running a nation based on your political ideals and debating issues on the world stage, not about trolling and interfering with other people's right to play the game. It's like a MMO. If someone likes to run PvE ques all the time, why should they be forced to run PvP rounds because someone wants to beat up on them?

Actually, they work perfectly, because there is no need for any of those actions in any of those games. As to your point about running a nation based on your political ideals, exactly how does a tag raid in one's home region change that aspect of the game? How does it affect how you run your nation or choose your issues? How does it deter your ability to debate about it in the GA forum or in NSG or anywhere else on the forums?

The Dead Parrot wrote:Actually, they work perfectly, because there is no need for any of those actions in any of those games. As to your point about running a nation based on your political ideals, exactly how does a tag raid in one's home region change that aspect of the game? How does it affect how you run your nation or choose your issues? How does it deter your ability to debate about it in the GA forum or in NSG or anywhere else on the forums?

1. You lose the ability to have a WA delegate cast your vote for you. Maybe a nation wishes to have that and another nation likes that idea as well.

2. Running your nation also includes who you associate with in your region.

3. What if your nations policy is to be peaceful and not engage in fights, and every time you join a region, you get that region raided. That sounds like something that would happen.

4. It interferes in the way you have your nations geo-political status set up. If your a WA delegate representing 200 people and a raider is lucky enough to take that away (loose analogy here), then that is interference if your a diplomatic nation. Ideals of your nation do not limit it to just answering issues like a trained monkey.

Raids are usually temporary, as soon as the Founder returns, everything gets restored back to normal. You're the founder, so no worries c:

As a raider, the best idea is to join the defenders. There is 10000 Islands, Texas, Belgium, Gay, Philosophy 115, and maybe Canada.

New Los Angelos wrote:As a raider, the best idea is to join the defenders. There is 10000 Islands, Texas, Belgium, Gay, Philosophy 115, and maybe Canada.

You're just going to cause problems for regions with that answer.

00000 A World Power
10000 Islands
Lazarus
Spiritus
Texas
Renegade Islands Alliance
The Rejected Realms
Wintreath
Peoples Federation of Qandaristan
The FRA
The United Defenders League

The East Pacific
The North Pacific
The South Pacific

Benevolent Thomas wrote:

New Los Angelos wrote:As a raider, the best idea is to join the defenders. There is 10000 Islands, Texas, Belgium, Gay, Philosophy 115, and maybe Canada.

You're just going to cause problems for regions with that answer.

00000 A World Power
10000 Islands
Lazarus
Spiritus
Texas
Renegade Islands Alliance
The Rejected Realms
Wintreath
Peoples Federation of Qandaristan
The FRA
The United Defenders League

The East Pacific
The North Pacific
The South Pacific

:| TEP, TNP and tSP operate on both sides of the spectrum, as a reminder. You could also list the ERN, the Royal Albion Legion and the Royal Legion of Alexandria while you're at it.

Lord Ravenclaw wrote:

Benevolent Thomas wrote: You're just going to cause problems for regions with that answer.

00000 A World Power
10000 Islands
Lazarus
Spiritus
Texas
Renegade Islands Alliance
The Rejected Realms
Wintreath
Peoples Federation of Qandaristan
The FRA
The United Defenders League

The East Pacific
The North Pacific
The South Pacific

:| TEP, TNP and tSP operate on both sides of the spectrum, as a reminder. You could also list the ERN, the Royal Albion Legion and the Royal Legion of Alexandria while you're at it.

Interesting. I always though ERN was raider, guess not. Sorry about the wrong regions.

Lord Ravenclaw wrote:

Benevolent Thomas wrote: You're just going to cause problems for regions with that answer.

00000 A World Power
10000 Islands
Lazarus
Spiritus
Texas
Renegade Islands Alliance
The Rejected Realms
Wintreath
Peoples Federation of Qandaristan
The FRA
The United Defenders League

The East Pacific
The North Pacific
The South Pacific

:| TEP, TNP and tSP operate on both sides of the spectrum, as a reminder. You could also list the ERN, the Royal Albion Legion and the Royal Legion of Alexandria while you're at it.

I think I got the list right as I see it.