Just got invaded by DEN

[Queen Yuno]

No one knew! Believed it was a perfectly legal tool! The only ones who knew were the developers of the script. I was wrong, sorry. He said it was legal (might've believed it too) and now he's banned over a stupid tool (that not many of us rely on) and I will miss him

[Narintia]

A DoS isn't a "win" for anyone, but congrats on continuing to prove my point that I am fucking atrocious.

Fixed it for you.

[Narintia]

No one knew! Believed it was a perfectly legal tool! The only ones who knew were the developers of the script. I was wrong, sorry. He said it was legal (might've believed it too) and now he's banned over a stupid tool (that not many of us rely on) and I will miss him

He did know.

[Queen Yuno]

No one knew! Believed it was a perfectly legal tool! The only ones who knew were the developers of the script. I was wrong, sorry. He said it was legal (might've believed it too) and now he's banned over a stupid tool (that not many of us rely on) and I will miss him

He did know.

That's what he says now, yes.

[King Nephmir II]

This is precisely why I construct and use my own private tools, so I can be 100% certain they are legal and safe to use.

[Shadoke]

This is precisely why I construct and use my own private tools, so I can be 100% certain they are legal and safe to use.

Exactly why I oversee the tools source that Alexandria uses.

[The Blaatschapen]

A DoS isn't a "win" for anyone, but congrats on continuing to prove my point that I am fucking atrocious.

Fixed it for you.

*** Warned for flamebaiting ***

Malicious quote editing is against the rules.

The Blaatschapen - Nationstates Moderator

[Narintia]

Fixed it for you.

*** Warned for flamebaiting ***

Malicious quote editing is against the rules.

The Blaatschapen - Nationstates Moderator

Wait, so calling everyone in Anarchy 'fucking atrocious'' is fine, but me calling them ''fucking atrocious'' isn't?
Double standards, much?

[McMannia Squared]

*** Warned for flamebaiting ***

Malicious quote editing is against the rules.

The Blaatschapen - Nationstates Moderator

Wait, so calling everyone in Anarchy 'fucking atrocious'' is fine, but me calling them ''fucking atrocious'' isn't?
Double standards, much?

I wouldn't question the mods decision, especially after they spent the night sweeping hundreds of puppets

[Narintia]

And what? Is that supposed to make me afraid?

[Harime Nui]

Wait, so calling everyone in Anarchy 'fucking atrocious'' is fine, but me calling them ''fucking atrocious'' isn't?
Double standards, much?

I wouldn't question the mods decision, especially after they spent the night sweeping hundreds of puppets

What a sad state of affairs that people must think like this.

[We Are Not the NSA]

And what? Is that supposed to make me afraid?

I think it may have been a shot at moderation, not you.

[McMannia Squared]

And what? Is that supposed to make me afraid?

I think it may have been a shot at moderation, not you.

It wasn't a shot at all, just a recommendation based on past experiences. The mods word is final and questioning it doesn't ever help

[Luna Amore]

Wait, so calling everyone in Anarchy 'fucking atrocious'' is fine, but me calling them ''fucking atrocious'' isn't?
Double standards, much?

I wouldn't question the mods decision, especially after they spent the night sweeping hundreds of puppets

Appeals can still be made via the Moderation forum. We're not gonna DoS you for appealing a warning.

[The Silver Sentinel]

*** Warned for flamebaiting ***

Malicious quote editing is against the rules.

The Blaatschapen - Nationstates Moderator

Wait, so calling everyone in Anarchy 'fucking atrocious'' is fine, but me calling them ''fucking atrocious'' isn't?
Double standards, much?

Looked like the right call to me. You guys have a consistent history of baiting and someone got slapped for it. Continuing to gloat at the misfortunes of others is only going to make people dislike you even more. I would keep that in mind. Maliciously editing quotes to make someone look like they are flaming themselves is bad, and you should feel bad for doing it.

And what? Is that supposed to make me afraid?

I suppose that is a matter if perspective now isn't it? Do you enjoy your time on NationStates, or the right to post on the forums?

I wouldn't question the mods decision, especially after they spent the night sweeping hundreds of puppets

What a sad state of affairs that people must think like this.

It is a pretty sad time, yes.

[ChingisOtchigin]

@Tardis, I somehow doubt after seeing Cora receive a DoS anyone else is gonna run out shouting that they always knew Pred was illegal.

[YoriZ]

I think it may have been a shot at moderation, not you.

It wasn't a shot at all, just a recommendation based on past experiences. The mods word is final and questioning it doesn't ever help

I know from personal experience that questioning can help. Final appeals can be made and moderator decisions can be turned back if they were unjust.

[We Are Not the NSA]

@Tardis, I somehow doubt after seeing Cora receive a DoS anyone else is gonna run out shouting that they always knew Pred was illegal.

I doubt anyone else planned on doing that anyways.

I think it may have been a shot at moderation, not you.

It wasn't a shot at all, just a recommendation based on past experiences. The mods word is final and questioning it doesn't ever help

Ah. Sorry for misinterpreting. And, in agreement with Yoriz's ninja of my post: you are wrong. As long as it isn't frivolous, appealing moderator decisions can be very beneficial.

[Aurum Rider]

I'm late to the party but in response to Moderation's 'It's up to the user' rule:

Predator came compiled in 32 bit and 64 bit binaries. It was impossible for any user for Predator to actually know how the tool functioned or if it was an illegal script. I agree that it should be the player's responsibility to ensure that any scripts they use are legal, but in some cases (In predator's case) it is impossible to actually check if it is legal on the player's end.

[Natapoc]

I'm late to the party but in response to Moderation's 'It's up to the user' rule:

Predator came compiled in 32 bit and 64 bit binaries. It was impossible for any user for Predator to actually know how the tool functioned or if it was an illegal script. I agree that it should be the player's responsibility to ensure that any scripts they use are legal, but in some cases (In predator's case) it is impossible to actually check if it is legal on the player's end.

Let this be a lesson then. Do not install software designed to interface with nationstates unless you are sure about how it works. If you don't understand it don't install it or run it.

No aspect of this game requires external software.

[The Silver Sentinel]

I'm late to the party but in response to Moderation's 'It's up to the user' rule:

Predator came compiled in 32 bit and 64 bit binaries. It was impossible for any user for Predator to actually know how the tool functioned or if it was an illegal script. I agree that it should be the player's responsibility to ensure that any scripts they use are legal, but in some cases (In predator's case) it is impossible to actually check if it is legal on the player's end.

And yet people chose to run it anyway, knowing full well it was conceived by Frak, after Frak was DOS'd. Let me ask you this? Would you run a piece of software downloaded from a highly suspicious source on your computer without running a virus check on it?

[Aurum Rider]

Let this be a lesson then. Do not install software designed to interface with nationstates unless you are sure about how it works. If you don't understand it don't install it or run it.

No aspect of this game requires external software.

And yet people chose to run it anyway, knowing full well it was conceived by Frak, after Frak was DOS'd. Let me ask you this? Would you run a piece of software downloaded from a highly suspicious source on your computer without running a virus check on it?

If Predator was a virus, nobody would use it, don't compare the two, and Predator was not conceived by Frak, it was concieved by Halcones, who was not DOS'd, and was the leader of the black riders. We had no reason to not trust him.

As for the rest of your posts, I am not saying it was not our fault for it's illegality, and I said so. I am saying that in some cases there is no way to way to verify the legality of a script player side. I am not saying that the rules should change, I am saying there should be tools available to the user to ensure that they are following them.

[The Silver Sentinel]

And yet people chose to run it anyway, knowing full well it was conceived by Frak, after Frak was DOS'd. Let me ask you this? Would you run a piece of software downloaded from a highly suspicious source on your computer without running a virus check on it?

If Predator was a virus, nobody would use it, don't compare the two, and Predator was not conceived by Frak, it was concieved by Halcones, who was not DOS'd, and was the leader of the black riders. We had no reason to not trust him.

Uh huh.... The same Halcones who was DOS'd for working with Frak and using a script developed by Frak that violated the API once before. You are honestly going to make the claim that it was Halcones who wrote Predator? If so, I would love to see some evidence to back that up.

As for the rest of your posts, I am not saying it was not our fault for it's illegality, and I said so. I am saying that in some cases there is no way to way to verify the legality of a script player side. I am not saying that the rules should change, I am saying there should be tools available to the user to ensure that they are following them.

So now Admin needs to develop tools to ensure your tools aren't illegal? They could do one better and just ban all tools, and if people keep developing illegal scripts that is exactly what is going to happen.

[Aurum Rider]

Uh huh.... The same Halcones who was DOS'd for working with Frak and using a script developed by Frak that violated the API once before. You are honestly going to make the claim that it was Halcones who wrote Predator? If so, I would love to see some evidence to back that up.

On the same card, you prove that halcones did not. We sent Predator error reports to Halcones and they'd be fixed within the hour, Halcones handled who could use predator (As cora said earlier, Frak could not), Halcones owned the dropboxed Predator was distributed through, and through many chats with Halcones about game and software development, he proved himself more than capable with Python, The language that Predator was written in.

I Strongly advise that before you make wild claims about things, that you make sure that you're not making factually inaccurate statements.

So now Admin needs to develop tools to ensure your tools aren't illegal? They could do one better and just ban all tools, and if people keep developing illegal scripts that is exactly what is going to happen.

I don't think being able to see the number of queries you've made in the past ten minutes is at all unreasonable.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Uh huh.... The same Halcones who was DOS'd for working with Frak and using a script developed by Frak that violated the API once before. You are honestly going to make the claim that it was Halcones who wrote Predator? If so, I would love to see some evidence to back that up.

On the same card, you prove that halcones did not. We sent Predator error reports to Halcones and they'd be fixed within the hour, Halcones handled who could use predator (As cora said earlier, Frak could not), Halcones owned the dropboxed Predator was distributed through, and through many chats with Halcones about game and software development, he proved himself more than capable with Python, The language that Predator was written in.

I Strongly advise that before you make wild claims about things, that you make sure that you're not making factually inaccurate statements.

So you knowingly used Predator and sent Halcones information on it so it could be fixed after he was DOS'd? Did you continue to use Predator after Halcones was DOS'd, knowing the sheets that were being updated were going to a Dropbox account controlled by a DOS player? As for you other claims, I have a very reliable source who has confirmed for me that it was Frak who initially authored Predator. And no, I have no intentions on ratting out that source so they can be harassed endlessly, so don't bother asking.

So now Admin needs to develop tools to ensure your tools aren't illegal? They could do one better and just ban all tools, and if people keep developing illegal scripts that is exactly what is going to happen.

I don't think being able to see the number of queries you've made in the past ten minutes is at all unreasonable.

Perhaps not, but then again, if you know what your script is actually doing you shouldn't have to, now should you?