00000 A World Power

[Farnhamia]

Not gonna waste my time responding to a troll who has just come off a three day ban for "continued personal attacks and threadjacking" and is only going one way if he carries on with this crap on this thread.

Would suggest others should take note of that too.

If you think some is trolling, report them in Moderation. Do not sit here, point your finger and cry, "Troll!" That is actionable in and of itself.

[Falapatorius]

Additionally, I have, in my inbox, a telegram from you which says "Blackmail is not a crime on TEP's forums or the TOS or TEP's laws." Blackmail is placing pressure on someone, and so is harassment. By your own admission, you were harassing someone.

He didn't admit anything. He just stated a fact (assuming TEP's laws have been read correctly).

[Lemmingtopias]

Welcome Back 00000 A World Power!

[Ramaeus]

He didn't admit anything. He just stated a fact (assuming TEP's laws have been read correctly).

Evidently context is sadly required to fully understand the telegram (since people take things literally to an insane degree): "The laws still stipulate I cannot be banned without trial, so I am owed a trial. Blackmail is not a crime on TEP's forums or the TOS or TEP's laws.

I also did not harass anyone on the forums."

That is Govindia admitting that he blackmailed someone within TEP.

[Farnhamia]

Ehh, AWP reserves the right to have an extremely unpopular gameplayer with a history of off-site fuckery, just as the rest of us reserve the right to shower them with unfavorable opinions for doing so.

It should go further than unfavorable opinions. Regions that harbor people who OOC harass other people off-site, and who expect not only their own members but potentially members of other regions to be exposed to them, should be completely shunned. No one should join such regions, accept their embassy requests, work with them at update, or have anything at all to do with them. It's time that we start taking this issue seriously rather than just letting it go as we've done for years when regions like Wintreath have gotten away with this.

Regions like this, and anyone who doesn't isolate regions like this, are just enabling the worst kind of OOC off-site behavior. I'm extremely disappointed to see people like Benevolent Thomas, Dyr Nasad, and Rom contributing there while this is going on.

*** 7 day ban for personal attacks. ***

Apparently your recent 3-day vacation had no effect on you. Think well over the next week how much you wish to continue here.

Malledit: This ban has been overturned on appeal. The post in question was not nice, but it did not cross any lines.

[Todd McCloud]

It should go further than unfavorable opinions. Regions that harbor people who OOC harass other people off-site, and who expect not only their own members but potentially members of other regions to be exposed to them, should be completely shunned. No one should join such regions, accept their embassy requests, work with them at update, or have anything at all to do with them. It's time that we start taking this issue seriously rather than just letting it go as we've done for years when regions like Wintreath have gotten away with this.

Regions like this, and anyone who doesn't isolate regions like this, are just enabling the worst kind of OOC off-site behavior. I'm extremely disappointed to see people like Benevolent Thomas, Dyr Nasad, and Rom contributing there while this is going on.

*** 7 day ban for personal attacks. ***

Apparently your recent 3-day vacation had no effect on you. Think well over the next week how much you wish to continue here.

Removing Cormac from the equation, this reads as a pretty typical gameplay post, to be quite honest. He is merely pointing out members of those regions while voicing displeasure over the choices those regions made. Perhaps I am not understanding the context of the post - could the exact placement of the personal attack be highlighted so we may understand in future what is not correct?

[Falapatorius]

Evidently context is sadly required to fully understand the telegram (since people take things literally to an insane degree): "The laws still stipulate I cannot be banned without trial, so I am owed a trial. Blackmail is not a crime on TEP's forums or the TOS or TEP's laws.

I also did not harass anyone on the forums."

That is Govindia admitting that he blackmailed someone within TEP.

He doesn't admit it though (thanx for the context btw). He also denies harassment. Speculation is just that..

[RiderSyl]

It should go further than unfavorable opinions. Regions that harbor people who OOC harass other people off-site, and who expect not only their own members but potentially members of other regions to be exposed to them, should be completely shunned.

Syl, care to share stories about Halc and what went on in TBR? I found them most illuminating. And before you say it Cormac, no I am not defending Gov. He is a pain in the ass on IRC an that will never change.

When Frak had dirt on me and I was making him look like the boy who cried wolf, Halcones and Kknight blackmailed me into confessing via Gameplay to what he had dirt on me and issuing a public apology to him. Halcones has been DOS'd since, but Kknight is still sitting pretty in DEN and that's a large part of why despite the fact I've returned as a raider, I'm not seeking to rekindle any relationship I had with DEN's community.

But my approach to AWP here with Gov applies to DEN with Kknight too. If they want to keep them, that's their call.

[Issedon]

Syl, care to share stories about Halc and what went on in TBR? I found them most illuminating. And before you say it Cormac, no I am not defending Gov. He is a pain in the ass on IRC an that will never change.

When Frak had dirt on me and I was making him look like the boy who cried wolf, Halcones and Kknight blackmailed me into confessing via Gameplay to what he had dirt on me and issuing a public apology to him. Halcones has been DOS'd since, but Kknight is still sitting pretty in DEN and that's a large part of why despite the fact I've returned as a raider, I'm not seeking to rekindle any relationship I had with DEN's community.

But my approach to AWP here with Gov applies to DEN with Kknight too. If they want to keep them, that's their call.

If they wish to allow me, that's their call, and other regions need to respect that. You know, sovereignty? They have no business interfering or attempting to influence in AWP internal affairs via any form of GP mechanics, IC or OOC or otherwise.

EDIT, this is one of Govindia's other nations, my bad lol.

[RiderSyl]

When Frak had dirt on me and I was making him look like the boy who cried wolf, Halcones and Kknight blackmailed me into confessing via Gameplay to what he had dirt on me and issuing a public apology to him. Halcones has been DOS'd since, but Kknight is still sitting pretty in DEN and that's a large part of why despite the fact I've returned as a raider, I'm not seeking to rekindle any relationship I had with DEN's community.

But my approach to AWP here with Gov applies to DEN with Kknight too. If they want to keep them, that's their call.

If they wish to allow me, that's their call, and other regions need to respect that. You know, sovereignty? They have no business interfering or attempting to influence in AWP internal affairs via any form of GP mechanics, IC or OOC or otherwise.

EDIT, this is one of Govindia's other nations, my bad lol.

I wouldn't take it that far. If a region is going to have a controversial player in their midst, then they should have it in them to defend their choice, instead of claiming that everyone that dislikes it should just shut up.

[Govindia]

If they wish to allow me, that's their call, and other regions need to respect that. You know, sovereignty? They have no business interfering or attempting to influence in AWP internal affairs via any form of GP mechanics, IC or OOC or otherwise.

EDIT, this is one of Govindia's other nations, my bad lol.

I wouldn't take it that far. If a region is going to have a controversial player in their midst, then they should have it in them to defend their choice, instead of claiming that everyone that dislikes it should just shut up.

Why? I didn't violate any laws in AWP, so there is no need. Any accusations that have been always levied towards me have never been substantiated. It is pretty much borderline libel, which if I had the money, time, and effort, can sue people IRL for and possibly win big time.

[Brunhizzle]

Why? I didn't violate any laws in AWP, so there is no need. Any accusations that have been always levied towards me have never been substantiated. It is pretty much borderline libel, which if I had the money, time, and effort, can sue people IRL for and possibly win big time.

You'd be charged far more in court costs than you would ever, ever get in a court case.

[Lemmingtopias]

[Klaus Devestatorie]

And so we reach the point of the discussion where half a hundred people could be lined up to show Govindia all sorts of proof to support accusations levelled at him over the last decade, but where actually posting any of it will result in post deletions and a warn. This discussion isn't going to change anyone's mind on the matter without it, so I guess we're done here...?

[Whamabama]

*** 7 day ban for personal attacks. ***

Apparently your recent 3-day vacation had no effect on you. Think well over the next week how much you wish to continue here.

Removing Cormac from the equation, this reads as a pretty typical gameplay post, to be quite honest. He is merely pointing out members of those regions while voicing displeasure over the choices those regions made. Perhaps I am not understanding the context of the post - could the exact placement of the personal attack be highlighted so we may understand in future what is not correct?

I agree, I don't see a personal attack here. The ban confuses me.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Removing Cormac from the equation, this reads as a pretty typical gameplay post, to be quite honest. He is merely pointing out members of those regions while voicing displeasure over the choices those regions made. Perhaps I am not understanding the context of the post - could the exact placement of the personal attack be highlighted so we may understand in future what is not correct?

I agree, I don't see a personal attack here. The ban confuses me.

If Cormac would like to appeal he knows how.

[Aenglaland]

I wouldn't take it that far. If a region is going to have a controversial player in their midst, then they should have it in them to defend their choice, instead of claiming that everyone that dislikes it should just shut up.

Why? I didn't violate any laws in AWP, so there is no need. Any accusations that have been always levied towards me have never been substantiated. It is pretty much borderline libel, which if I had the money, time, and effort, can sue people IRL for and possibly win big time.

Wow. It's like Ramaeus or TEP never existed.The world is like a rainbow, all perfect and everyone else are the mean guys.

Fabulous.

[RiderSyl]

I wouldn't take it that far. If a region is going to have a controversial player in their midst, then they should have it in them to defend their choice, instead of claiming that everyone that dislikes it should just shut up.

Why? I didn't violate any laws in AWP, so there is no need. Any accusations that have been always levied towards me have never been substantiated. It is pretty much borderline libel, which if I had the money, time, and effort, can sue people IRL for and possibly win big time.

I don't believe that you're unaware of the fact you're a controversial player, Gov. As a former member of both TEP and the EPSA for 6 months, I learned there why you were eternally banned. There's enough substantiation there to kill any theoretical court case.

So, as I said before, if a region is gonna keep you, they should have it in them to stand by the decision.

AWP saying you've done nothing wrong in their region (which could be true, idk), then saying 'But he's not a citizen of AWP!' seems like non-commitment to me. They need to come out with a strong statement, either that you're a part of their region, or that you are not.

[Plaunia]

Why? I didn't violate any laws in AWP, so there is no need. Any accusations that have been always levied towards me have never been substantiated. It is pretty much borderline libel, which if I had the money, time, and effort, can sue people IRL for and possibly win big time.

Wow. It's like Ramaeus or TEP never existed.The world is like a rainbow, all perfect and everyone else are the mean guys.

Fabulous.

You've clearly spent a blessedly short amount of time in Govindia's company if you don't know that he is innocent of all charges laid at his feet unless an RP-court has said differently and even then his crime is only not understanding that his actions could be considered harassment/stalking/whatever he was charged with. (You'd think the man would learn after all those bans)

Well, I was mildly curious about your revival AWP, but I don't really care about raiding or defending beyond avoiding certain controversial players that are heavily involved with it and Govindia is one of those players. So add me to that list of players that will avoid your region (and any you have diplomatic ties with) while you allow him to remain among you.

[Numero Capitan]

People are entitled to their opinions, and perfectly entitled to stay clear of certain individuals they don't like for whatever reason. There's plenty of nations I've come across in NS where I've discovered I don't so much like the real life person behind them, some of them very unsavoury, but I just avoid them. If the admins don't consider them to have done something worthy of banning them from the game and they want to play it then their nation has to go somewhere, nothing any of us can do about that. If you have a serious concern then report them.

You'll have to forgive me for only caring about the interests of those within my region rather than some random nations who have shown up on this topic, and any such decision about a nations involvement in AWP would be dealt with entirely internally in consultation with those nations and involving absolutely noone else. If you're not in my region then you should probably give up expecting me to give your opinion any weight, sorry.

If you want a statement about who is in the region and who isn't then we've compiled a list - http://www.nationstates.net/region=0000 ... st_nations
If you want a statement about who is considered a member of the Citizens Assembly and able to contribute to the regions governance then we have another list - http://s3.zetaboards.com/A_World_Power/topic/7838663/1/

[Asy]

Glad to see AWP is rebuilding and is having success! Good luck

[Jakker]

I see that Govindia is no longer masked as a citizen. I can see why Cormac was voted most influential.

[Numero Capitan]

I see that Govindia is no longer masked as a citizen. I can see why Cormac was voted most influential.

Well, it was actually Knot II who brought that masking to our attention

Can we keep discussion about moderation off this thread, already ongoing discussion here - viewtopic.php?f=16&t=364607&start=50

[Benevolent Thomas]

I see that Govindia is no longer masked as a citizen. I can see why Cormac was voted most influential.

Well, it was actually Knot II who brought that masking to our attention

Actually, I think it was me who did so by questioning the masking via proper channels before Knot even posted that screenshot. Really, this whole matter could have been settled rather easily and quickly, but then nobody could score political points.

[RiderSyl]

Really, this whole matter could have been settled rather easily and quickly, but then nobody could score political points.

Welcome to NS Politics, the sideshow where everything's made up and the points don't matter!