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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:20 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Doubtful. This is more like an extended tag raid, and Ivo wants to ensure those embassies are demolished before they pull out. >:(


Nothing impresses anymore I guess. If it's a tag raid: "Pft, tags don't matter" if it's an actual occupation "Pft, it's just an extended tag"

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US?!


Achieve world domination, then we'll be impressed. :p
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Postby Preussverige » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:24 pm

Oh wow, you guys raided somebody.

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:27 pm

Ridersyl wrote:Achieve world domination, then we'll be impressed. :p


Gimme a few years, a GCR to start with, and the NPO, and I'll get back to you.
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Postby United RussoAsia » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:27 pm

Preussverige wrote:Oh wow, you guys raided somebody.

(Image)

They're a raid org, what did you expect. Something else?


Jeeeeez, I thought it was pretty widely know that this is what they do.
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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:28 pm

Preussverige wrote:Oh wow, you guys raided somebody.

(Image)


Yeah! Who do they think they are? Raiders?
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Postby Gest » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:28 pm

Preussverige wrote:Oh wow, you guys raided somebody.

(Image)


Shrugs

God has clearly not bestowed upon us the bounty of creativity he has clearly given unto you.

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Postby Cora II » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:30 pm

The Silver Sentinel wrote:
Omusubi Kororin wrote:
The number of defenders needed for a simple detag is abnormal.

We don't often have to deal with tag raiders that hang around after the update so we can put the place back in order. You could do us all a huge favor and move on so we can clean up the nuclear wasteland you have left behind. I heard Souls needs some endos in TBR. Why don't you go give your old buddy a hand huh?


Everyone here knows that main reason for options of current invasion/counter invasion gameplay is determined by ridiculous influence model: No matter how numerous or organized forces are participating, everything takes aeons to do.

Still, keeping a founder alive and active gives firesure, and fool proof security. Admins understandably search the balance, but the influence system (in its current model) is a main reason recent fubar macro level gameplay.

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:30 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Doubtful. This is more like an extended tag raid, and Ivo wants to ensure those embassies are demolished before they pull out. >:(


Nothing impresses anymore I guess. If it's a tag raid: "Pft, tags don't matter" if it's an actual occupation "Pft, it's just an extended tag"

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US?!

I haven't quite decided yet. It is either Mall to come back and start defending again, or for Jakker to give Unibot a lap dance. I really just can't make up my mind.

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Postby United RussoAsia » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:33 pm

The Silver Sentinel wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Nothing impresses anymore I guess. If it's a tag raid: "Pft, tags don't matter" if it's an actual occupation "Pft, it's just an extended tag"

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US?!

I haven't quite decided yet. It is either Mall to come back and start defending again, or for Jakker to give Unibot a lap dance. I really just can't make up my mind.

Second one..
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:34 pm

United RussoAsia wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:I haven't quite decided yet. It is either Mall to come back and start defending again, or for Jakker to give Unibot a lap dance. I really just can't make up my mind.

Second one..


Definitely.
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Postby Ayvari » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:37 pm

The Silver Sentinel wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Nothing impresses anymore I guess. If it's a tag raid: "Pft, tags don't matter" if it's an actual occupation "Pft, it's just an extended tag"

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US?!

I haven't quite decided yet. It is either Mall to come back and start defending again, or for Jakker to give Unibot a lap dance. I really just can't make up my mind.

I am officially disturbed for the rest of the day. You have succeeded in suggesting the most horrifying thing ever.

Poor Jakker. :(
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Postby Trick Shot » Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:39 pm

Ayvari wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:I haven't quite decided yet. It is either Mall to come back and start defending again, or for Jakker to give Unibot a lap dance. I really just can't make up my mind.

I am officially disturbed for the rest of the day. You have succeeded in suggesting the most horrifying thing ever.

Poor Jakker. :(

Are you sure Unibot giving Jakker a lap dance isn't more horrifying?
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:23 pm

Trick Shot wrote:
Ayvari wrote:I am officially disturbed for the rest of the day. You have succeeded in suggesting the most horrifying thing ever.

Poor Jakker. :(

Are you sure Unibot giving Jakker a lap dance isn't more horrifying?

Is that a trick question? 8)

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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:41 pm

The Silver Sentinel wrote:
Trick Shot wrote:Are you sure Unibot giving Jakker a lap dance isn't more horrifying?

Is that a trick question? 8)


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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:55 pm

Ridersyl wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Is that a trick question? 8)


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Hey.. I thought it was clever. I'm easily amused okay.
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Postby Belschaft » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:14 pm

Congratulations on being back in action, classy and amusing.

Also, FYI, Marshals have always been at least a four star ranks and brigadiers one star ranks. I politely request you make the necessary alterations (ie; Field Marshall, Lieutenant General, Major General, Brigadier General) to your rank system to satisfy my pedantry.
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Postby We Are Not The ATF » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:34 pm

Belschaft wrote:Congratulations on being back in action, classy and amusing.

Also, FYI, Marshals have always been at least a four star ranks and brigadiers one star ranks. I politely request you make the necessary alterations (ie; Field Marshall, Lieutenant General, Major General, Brigadier General) to your rank system to satisfy my pedantry.

DEN is now happy to announce that soldiers will hold the rank of Private First Class before the rank of Private. :p
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Postby Belschaft » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:45 pm

We Are Not The ATF wrote:
Belschaft wrote:Congratulations on being back in action, classy and amusing.

Also, FYI, Marshals have always been at least a four star ranks and brigadiers one star ranks. I politely request you make the necessary alterations (ie; Field Marshall, Lieutenant General, Major General, Brigadier General) to your rank system to satisfy my pedantry.

DEN is now happy to announce that soldiers will hold the rank of Private First Class before the rank of Private. :p

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Postby Guy » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:32 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Doubtful. This is more like an extended tag raid, and Ivo wants to ensure those embassies are demolished before they pull out. >:(


Nothing impresses anymore I guess. If it's a tag raid: "Pft, tags don't matter" if it's an actual occupation "Pft, it's just an extended tag"

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US?!

It's not your fault, you see. The current tech and rules situation within military gameplay means that it's not possible to be impressed by an invasion, just about under any circumstances. It's just too easy. There's no incentive to innovate in any way, other than develop more advanced tech tools that just make R/D even more 'fly by wire'. You don't even have to hide your ops anymore, not that that'd be of any use with the activity page. Once upon a time, it was possible to not realise a raid was happening until it was already over. Not anymore.
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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:44 pm

Ugh. I hated it when defenders whined about the above as a raider. I think I hate it more now as a fellow defender.

I get it. The game changed, Guy. It's not how you used to like it. That doesn't mean anything achieved in the game is now meaningless.
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Postby Jakker » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:49 pm

Raiders should never try to do anything with the intention of impressing defenders. It will nearly always be a lost cause. Similar to when defenders try to liberate a region. ;)
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:51 pm

Jakker wrote:Raiders should never try to do anything with the intention of impressing defenders. It will nearly always be a lost cause. Similar to when defenders try to liberate a region. ;)


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RiderSyl
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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:52 pm

Whoa, I need to get out of the way of this epic gameplay banter!
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Postby Guy » Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:12 pm

Jakker wrote:Raiders should never try to do anything with the intention of impressing defenders. It will nearly always be a lost cause. Similar to when defenders try to liberate a region. ;)

Absolutely you shouldn't! If you enjoy it, hell, I can't tell you not to do it (even if I personally have my qualms with it). The discussion turned to being 'impressed', so I threw in my opinion. You'll pay it no regards, I'm sure. I'll ignore the latter part, because not only it precisely makes my point, but I'm past caring for the banter. :P

(EDIT: I do think though that an R/D game that drives talent from the Defender side is ultimately detrimental to invaders too, so just some food for thought. Maybe there's a better approach here.)

Same response goes to Syl -- if you find meaning in what you do, that's great. I personally don't like where R/D is now, and I think some others on our side get tired of it because of how boring it is.
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:14 pm

Jakker wrote:Raiders should never try to do anything with the intention of impressing defenders. It will nearly always be a lost cause. Similar to when defenders try to liberate a region. ;)

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I beleive you have an appointment with Unibot. Don't keep him waiting. :p

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