So... TITO invaded a 5 nation region that is technically not affiliated with the current incarnation of DEN beyond a ceremonial role? It probably would have been more embarrising if they had just detagged it like good little fendas.
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by We Are Not the NSA » Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:57 am
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by Numero Capitan » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:15 am
We Are Not the NSA wrote:
So... TITO invaded a 5 nation region that is technically not affiliated with the current incarnation of DEN beyond a ceremonial role? It probably would have been more embarrising if they had just detagged it like good little fendas.
by Werftkrieg » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:21 am
by Ambroscus Koth » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:58 am
Numero Capitan wrote:We Are Not the NSA wrote:So... TITO invaded a 5 nation region that is technically not affiliated with the current incarnation of DEN beyond a ceremonial role? It probably would have been more embarrising if they had just detagged it like good little fendas.
Not sure you can brag about doing exactly that in 95% of your raids and then pretend its irrelevant when your original region is raided...
by Ayvari » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:05 am
Ambroscus Koth wrote:I also don't really care in general, speaking as just myself. I genuinely hope you guys enjoyed raiding that region, maybe you got a taste of the fun we have when we do it
Severisen wrote:You literally couldn't have missed the point more, even if you endorsed the native delegate.
Northern Chittowa wrote:If you look at those who have made names for themselves in this game, they are those who have stood up to defenders on an equal footin and actually beaten them on a tactical level...Those are the ones who will be remembered and indeed revered in history.
Syberis Montresor-Isaraider: There should be no distinction between a good raider and a good member of the GP community.
by We Are Not the NSA » Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:50 am
Numero Capitan wrote:We Are Not the NSA wrote:So... TITO invaded a 5 nation region that is technically not affiliated with the current incarnation of DEN beyond a ceremonial role? It probably would have been more embarrising if they had just detagged it like good little fendas.
Not sure you can brag about doing exactly that in 95% of your raids and then pretend its irrelevant when your original region is raided...
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by Libetarian Republics » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:32 am
by Ayvari » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:44 am
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Not only does this situation perfectly exemplify just how bad the state of defending is right now, it also shows that TITO is willing to compromise their morals for completely stupid reasons. I can't wait for the refound that I'm assuming they're planning. The idea of a defender organization forcibly taking a small, founderless region and stealing it from the natives is... is just... it's the best thing. Just thinking about the debate that it would cause is making me smile.
Severisen wrote:You literally couldn't have missed the point more, even if you endorsed the native delegate.
Northern Chittowa wrote:If you look at those who have made names for themselves in this game, they are those who have stood up to defenders on an equal footin and actually beaten them on a tactical level...Those are the ones who will be remembered and indeed revered in history.
Syberis Montresor-Isaraider: There should be no distinction between a good raider and a good member of the GP community.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:45 am
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
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by Numero Capitan » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:55 am
by The Silver Sentinel » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:06 am
Ayvari wrote:A number of them think that raiders forfeit their rights to native status when they begin "violating the sovereignty" of other regions.
Ayvari wrote:TITO is one of those militaries that would consider an old raider region rendered vulnerable, or even a raider trophy region left open, a bigger prize than a region whose occupation is finite.
Ayvari wrote:You can't judge all defender organizations by the same standards. It's like nitpicking raids and trying to assert which raider group conducts the best raids.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:09 am
Numero Capitan wrote:TITO is TITO and TITO will do what TITO does, people attempt to have that debate every time but they seem to be doing ok for themselves. The FRA used to reject the aggressive defender approach and defended raider regions, but regions like LKE still used that as a casus belli for 'war'/an excuse for Onder to rant about something. You can try and spin it however you want but all the regions you've annoyed by being what you are will rightfully be sniggering about this so you're only convincing yourselves.
And some of your pals should do a bit more research, Union of Bells is a raider region
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Ayvari » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:11 am
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Ayvari wrote:TITO is one of those militaries that would consider an old raider region rendered vulnerable, or even a raider trophy region left open, a bigger prize than a region whose occupation is finite.
I am quite sure the reverse is true as well. If for some reason the founder of one of our jump points was deated, you guys would be clamoring all over yourselves to try and get in their and "secure" the region.
Severisen wrote:You literally couldn't have missed the point more, even if you endorsed the native delegate.
Northern Chittowa wrote:If you look at those who have made names for themselves in this game, they are those who have stood up to defenders on an equal footin and actually beaten them on a tactical level...Those are the ones who will be remembered and indeed revered in history.
Syberis Montresor-Isaraider: There should be no distinction between a good raider and a good member of the GP community.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:17 am
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Ayvari wrote:A number of them think that raiders forfeit their rights to native status when they begin "violating the sovereignty" of other regions.
They do.Ayvari wrote:TITO is one of those militaries that would consider an old raider region rendered vulnerable, or even a raider trophy region left open, a bigger prize than a region whose occupation is finite.
I am quite sure the reverse is true as well. If for some reason the founder of one of our jump points was deated, you guys would be clamoring all over yourselves to try and get in their and "secure" the region.Ayvari wrote:You can't judge all defender organizations by the same standards. It's like nitpicking raids and trying to assert which raider group conducts the best raids.
I personally congratulate TITO on this action. It is refreshing to see organizations shed the old Unibotion tactics of never taking offensive actions, and actually doing what needs to be done instead. I knew there was the startings of a fundamental shift in TITO policy when they stacked very early for the Security Council's attempted liberation of The Black Riders. It is good to see they have charged on ahead with that policy.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by The Silver Sentinel » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:21 am
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I doubt most anyone in DEN could have told you that region existed before yesterday. It's a single tag of a dead region whose founder was immediately revived.
by Ayvari » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:26 am
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I doubt most anyone in DEN could have told you that region existed before yesterday. It's a single tag of a dead region whose founder was immediately revived.
Yet someone obviously values it enough that they revived the founder immediately, just to save the region and is flying the DEN flag no less. Nice attempt to downplay it though.
Severisen wrote:You literally couldn't have missed the point more, even if you endorsed the native delegate.
Northern Chittowa wrote:If you look at those who have made names for themselves in this game, they are those who have stood up to defenders on an equal footin and actually beaten them on a tactical level...Those are the ones who will be remembered and indeed revered in history.
Syberis Montresor-Isaraider: There should be no distinction between a good raider and a good member of the GP community.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:26 am
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I doubt most anyone in DEN could have told you that region existed before yesterday. It's a single tag of a dead region whose founder was immediately revived.
Yet someone obviously values it enough that they revived the founder immediately, just to save the region and is flying the DEN flag no less. Nice attempt to downplay it though.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by The Silver Sentinel » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:33 am
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:On the second point - sure, but we're far more of an openly aggressive, petty, force of "bad" than any defender group Morally, defender claim to be the bigger people - last I recall, part of that was supposed to be "not falling to their level?"
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm all for defenders fighting dirty. I loved TGW. I just think calling this an offensive action is a joke. When we tag some region and they go on for a week about declaring war on TBR, we tell them it was just a tag, how to stop it from happening again, etc, and move on. We're not going to suddenly become that native when an old region barely associated with anyone posting in this thread is tagged as well. As I said above - there are opportunities to take effective offensive action, with TBR being a particularly notable one that went entirely without intervention. Well, to be fair, as our plan moved from phase one to phase two, Cormac and Ivo showed up on their own and tried to step in, but, by then it was already far too late.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:38 am
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Hey look man, I tried. The problem was, there was a bunch of pissed off natives, rallied by a very inexperienced (yet incredibly charismatic) point man who would not listen to common sense. I would have fully supported putting Cormac in charge of that operation, because he would have had the balls and the smarts to bury that place once and for all.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by We Are Not the NSA » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:52 am
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I doubt most anyone in DEN could have told you that region existed before yesterday. It's a single tag of a dead region whose founder was immediately revived.
Yet someone obviously values it enough that they revived the founder immediately, just to save the region and is flying the DEN flag no less. Nice attempt to downplay it though.
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by The Silver Sentinel » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:56 am
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:The Silver Sentinel wrote:Hey look man, I tried. The problem was, there was a bunch of pissed off natives, rallied by a very inexperienced (yet incredibly charismatic) point man who would not listen to common sense. I would have fully supported putting Cormac in charge of that operation, because he would have had the balls and the smarts to bury that place once and for all.
Yet we managed to do it Harenhime was elected leader for life. If the issue stopping defenders from better "offensive actions" than a tag like this is that it's not effective, perhaps y'all should just leave the raiding and the tagging to the more practiced
We Are Not the NSA wrote:The Silver Sentinel wrote:Yet someone obviously values it enough that they revived the founder immediately, just to save the region and is flying the DEN flag no less. Nice attempt to downplay it though.
Maybe... this is just a thought, but maybe... the founder was revived by by [GASP] the region's actual owners! DCC has no connections to the region DEN, not even an embassy. This occurrence has more to with the guys over in Ile de France since, you know, it's their region.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:06 pm
The Silver Sentinel wrote:You seem to be omitting the small detail that UGR stepped down as delegate and pretty much handed you that opening on a silver platter. Had I known that was going to happen, I would have been in there with my fingers in the pie as well.
Meh.... A tag is still a tag. And if this event is so unimportant, why ae we still talking about it? Let it go already man....
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Ambroscus Koth » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:51 pm
by We Are Not the NSA » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:56 pm
Ambroscus Koth wrote:Also, NS has been boring for the last few days so at least this is something to talk about
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by Cormactopia II » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:02 pm
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:On the second point - sure, but we're far more of an openly aggressive, petty, force of "bad" than any defender group Morally, defender claim to be the bigger people - last I recall, part of that was supposed to be "not falling to their level?"
Fuck that noise. I see a vulnerable target and I have the resources available, I hit it. Plain and simple. See you are used to dealing with the "faces" of Defenderdom, BT and the likes. Whilst I understand and fully support BT in his beliefs that defenders should never stoop to the level of raiders, most defenders out there don't share those same beliefs and would gladly raid DEN should it become vulnerable for some reason.
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