The Black Hawks | Still Winning

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:40 am

by **Benjabobaria** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:15 pm

I expect the operation to last indefinitely with this quality music!

Seriously though, the fendas are surprisingly bad this time.

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:02 pm

Iran: No lib attempt tonight. The op, in it's 7e glory, lives on.

by **Harenhime** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:09 pm

Since this seems to be a challenge for y'all, I have gone ahead and made this really easy for you: I've made Fastest Man Alive, whom I believe to be the highest influence defender in the region with more influence than even myself, a BC RO.

No, really, go look.

by **Tupelope** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:18 pm

u must b relly bored

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:20 pm

Tupelope wrote:u must b relly bored

Hey, it's hard work to challenge the frontrunner in the "worst raid ever" category. You have to get creative!

by **Tupelope** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:30 pm

well that raid aint ever gonna end so ur stuck their. ripperino

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:33 pm

Tupelope wrote:well that raid aint ever gonna end so ur stuck their. ripperino

Well then the Lib and the "honored council" of the SC certainly have failed to "promote security, growth and stability in the region," eh? Great call by the defenders on that one, taking a safely locked region and making it a perpetually desolate raided wasteland.

by **Tupelope** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:34 pm

ya fendas sux r u recruitin i promise i no spai

by **Starkiller101** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:36 pm

Tupelope wrote:ya fendas sux r u recruitin i promise i no spai

You spell worse than I did in school.

. Btw, EWS have any big plans for the NS masses?

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:39 pm

Starkiller101 wrote:
Tupelope wrote:ya fendas sux r u recruitin i promise i no spai
You spell worse than I did in school. . Btw, EWS have any big plans for the NS masses?

The only masses I know about are christmas, easter, and weight over gravity. The plans are probably raiding, raiding, and passing my dynamics final. Also, Iran, great country, Iran, going to make it great again.

by **Tupelope** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:43 pm

Starkiller101 wrote:
Tupelope wrote:ya fendas sux r u recruitin i promise i no spai
You spell worse than I did in school. . Btw, EWS have any big plans for the NS masses?

grammir is a social construct

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:55 am

Iran has now survived a minor with a defender as a BC RO. He hasn’t logged on since shortly after last major. Understandable life is busy. I think I have a second slot ready - other fendas I can RO? Any volunteers? Going once...

by **Solorni** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:03 am

I guess Altmoras wasn't the fastest man alive...

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:39 am

Solorni wrote:I guess Altmoras wasn't the fastest man alive...

Think you can do better? I’ll make you a BC RO if you join the WA there. Try being Persian instead of Norse for a bit?

by **The Stalker** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:50 am

I'm not sure why defenders or anyone should care about Iran. It's just a warzone with no real natives. Probably fun to raid, but why bother trying to free a nativeless region?

Also it always seemed odd to me when raiders raid something and then call it a victory over defenders. It's a victory of the region's natives, it's the natives job to project their region, defenders can help, but they're certainly not obligated. Wouldn't says it's a defenders victory that Hell hasn't been raided in years, no it's because we have devoted residents ensuring it.

by **Lord Dominator** » Tue May 01, 2018 10:55 am

The Stalker wrote:I'm not sure why defenders or anyone should care about Iran. It's just a warzone with no real natives. Probably fun to raid, but why bother trying to free a nativeless region?

Also it always seemed odd to me when raiders raid something and then call it a victory over defenders. It's a victory of the region's natives, it's the natives job to project their region, defenders can help, but they're certainly not obligated. Wouldn't says it's a defenders victory that Hell hasn't been raided in years, no it's because we have devoted residents ensuring it.

I believe the gloating is that realistically, Iran should be incredibly easy to lib. That, and it's a raid using puppets defenders never bothered to remove from the far larger raid last month or so (apparently the official strategy is 'wait for them to CTE')

by **The Stalker** » Tue May 01, 2018 11:01 am

Maybe easy to lib, but why bother? I don't see a point, raiders can occupy it forever if they like.

Most folks are currently taking down UCR or helping in Lazarus.

by **Lord Dominator** » Tue May 01, 2018 11:02 am

The Stalker wrote:Maybe easy to lib, but why bother? I don't see a point, raiders can occupy it forever if they like.

Most folks are currently taking down UCR or helping in Lazarus.

I mean, defenders usually chase tag raiders and half of those regions don't have natives period

Second sentence is true though

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Tue May 01, 2018 11:08 am

The Stalker wrote:I'm not sure why defenders or anyone should care about Iran. It's just a warzone with no real natives. Probably fun to raid, but why bother trying to free a nativeless region?

Also it always seemed odd to me when raiders raid something and then call it a victory over defenders. It's a victory of the region's natives, it's the natives job to project their region, defenders can help, but they're certainly not obligated. Wouldn't says it's a defenders victory that Hell hasn't been raided in years, no it's because we have devoted residents ensuring it.

Hi stalker! Iran is a special case. It was liberated recently with the specific intent to be protected and rebuilt, as written in the actual resolution itself even. Defenders began occupying it immediately after the lib passed, in an attempt to build up some native structure and influence. That failed for the first time when we stole it from their ongoing pile there - am initial embarrassment itself, given defender complaints about piles being unbeatable. We stayed there for a few weeks, crossed up ourselves to be a pain to remove. Then we resigned. Defenders retook the region after that, but neglected to even clear us out, satisfied to wait until we left or CTE’d. Problem is, enough people have held to not doing that

Defender left it on their own terms after a short while, with the region still full of high influence raiders and next to no natives. That allows us to do stuff like this - just WA up and take it back, with the ability to get so cheeky that we can literally appoint the former defense point as a BC RO, and they lack the influence to banject the raider point (me). AIR’s failures at lib attempts are a sideshow. The ongoing main story here is that the prideful, much-hailed liberation of Iran is an utter failure. Defenders promised to protect and rebuild the region, and instead have even directly caused it to be more of a wasteland than it was before the lib, and to be raided repeatedly. That’s why it’s a failure of defenders. They promised to make it a better place, hailed it in their media, yada yada, and have instead utterly failed to protect it from even the most pathetic raids. And the natives can’t even lock it to keep us out anymore. They made it a point to “bother” about the region, and fucked it over in the end.

Believing that this honored council has failed the community of Iran and ought to do everything in its power to promote security, growth and stability in the region to correct this wrong,

Encouraging interested parties to ensure the security of the region upon the passing of this resolution so that a community can develop,

See also: media in defender threads, especially TRT’s articles on the region and it’s protection.

Edit: worth noting as well that many of these issues were raised as concerns in the proposal thread and dismissed.

by **The Stalker** » Tue May 01, 2018 11:38 am

Feux liberated the region with what seems to be the intention of seeing it raided. It was then held for over a month by defenders, an impressive feat seeing how much raider groups wanted to raid it. Then defenders start to shift their focus elsewhere reducing their numbers giving an easy in to raid it. Raiders and defenders continue to fight over it despite it never getting any real natives.

Just seems that taking down UCR and helping Lazarus are far more important at this point and time than Iran. Honestly liberating Iran seems about as important as detagging any number of the dead tag regions out there.

Keep on raiding it if it's fun.

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Tue May 01, 2018 11:52 am

The Stalker wrote:Feux liberated the region with what seems to be the intention of seeing it raided. It was then held for over a month by defenders, an impressive feat seeing how much raider groups wanted to raid it. Then defenders start to shift their focus elsewhere reducing their numbers giving an easy in to raid it. Raiders and defenders continue to fight over it despite it never getting any real natives.

Just seems that taking down UCR and helping Lazarus are far more important at this point and time than Iran. Honestly liberating Iran seems about as important as detagging any number of the dead tag regions out there.

Keep on raiding it if it's fun.

Where are you getting that? The thread and the proposal itself for the lib is full of justification from the author and mainstream defenders revolving around rebuilding it and helping it.

Raiders didn’t even try to take it for that month. The first try was the hit on it. We were clearing Westphalia at the time. Iran was a tiny dead region that we likely would have ignored *except* for the defender pile there. At the time it was only a target becuase we could actively beat defenders, who’d gotten complacent - or really, been complacent their whole time there. Defenders are obviously, but the mocking in this thread, not even bothering to give it a detag’s worth of support, much less fighting for it. Defender media and leaders talked of creating a region of real natives, but never put up the real effort to do so.

Perhaps those things are more pressing than clearing out Iran of raiders at this exact moment. We all juggle priorities. But again, it’s not like this needs a lib force, so much as a normal update team. Or like those things have been a distraction for the whole time prior to today. And the key bit here is that Iran was promised, individually, oh so much more. A promise that has fallen utterly flat.

Edit: TRT on Iran: viewtopic.php?p=33558365#p33558365 literally even notes that Iran could be a raiders target post-Westphalia, but no fortification occurred accordingly. The point, again, is that ever promise to iran has been broken, and every possible lapse in responsibility has occurred, and we’re going to keep rubbing those in until they’re fixed

by **The Stalker** » Tue May 01, 2018 12:17 pm

I guess I remember it wrong, I thought Fuex had made a comment supporting the raid, but looking it up he didn't.

I realized defenders tried to build something at one point, it just seems like Iran is old news and not really important. I can't imagine with all that's going on, defenders still care to lib warzone Iran.

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Tue May 01, 2018 12:20 pm

The Stalker wrote:I guess I remember it wrong, I thought Fuex had made a comment supporting the raid, but looking it up he didn't.

I realized defenders tried to build something at one point, it just seems like Iran is old news and not really important. I can't imagine with all that's going on, defenders still care to lib warzone Iran.

Ah, but who let it be a “warzone” in the first place after ripping away the password and promising to make sure it stayed a safe, cozy home?

by **The Stalker** » Tue May 01, 2018 12:37 pm

Lol fair enough, I thought Fuex wanted the raid, but he only said raids would help it grow.

I still don't think it's worth defenders time to free it.

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