The Black Hawks | Still Winning

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

That line would've been better if you had more than one post, little puppet.

T.hing is, he is not a person from a foreign game being given a leadership. Line still stands.

Tell ya what, give up your offsite forum and discord, then you can complain about groups being offsite lol.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

I lovloved the middle part where the condensing part where every region has to be like the hawks.. Its great all while begging for the apology to be how you want it crafted.

This is great I love this.

Futher proof the hawks are crap without jakker and Syg or Koth as the faces of the organization.

Do you have a way to ensure that the prevention of OOC blacklisted players being allowed into the NPO is enforced?

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I lovloved the middle part where the condensing part where every region has to be like the hawks.. Its great all while begging for the apology to be how you want it crafted.

This is great I love this.

Futher proof the hawks are crap without jakker and Syg or Koth as the faces of the organization.

I'm not sure who you are, but your reading comprehension could use some work to begin with. I specifically state there are *two* main options for admin teams capable of handling OOC issues properly, and specifically recommend they don't use the one TBH does, because that requires a lot more trust in reliability that The Pacific does not have atm, and frankly is more prone to failure in the largest of setups (like GCR's) or those with more turnover (like GCR's). It has only worked for Council because we very carefully select membership for character and have a reliable history of putting what is right over self interest.

Also, Jakker is Council Chair, Syg is still an advisory, and Koth is still an active council member. Further, I was added to Council prior to Koth's term beginning.

[Raionitu]

I lovloved the middle part where the condensing part where every region has to be like the hawks.. Its great all while begging for the apology to be how you want it crafted.

This is great I love this.

Futher proof the hawks are crap without jakker and Syg or Koth as the faces of the organization.

I was going to comment on why the NPO ordered their citizens not to post on the forum, then I saw you. Formal apology is posted, formal reply given, then you cherry pick the reply to insult us.You should really take a hint when your government is trying to rebuild relations, rather than counter their efforts. Do love you hiding from your own government behind a puppet though.

[Lalop]

'Edit' Wow, this is only your 2nd post! Guess the rumors about the NPO being mostly offsite were true!

That line would've been better if you had more than one post, little puppet.

My puppet lol.
Forgot I was logged into it when I posted.

[Devi]

I lovloved the middle part where the condensing part where every region has to be like the hawks.. Its great all while begging for the apology to be how you want it crafted.

This is great I love this.

Futher proof the hawks are crap without jakker and Syg or Koth as the faces of the organization.

I was going to comment on why the NPO ordered their citizens not to post on the forum, then I saw you. Formal apology is posted, formal reply given, then you cherry pick the reply to insult us.You should really take a hint when your government is trying to rebuild relations, rather than counter their efforts. Do love you hiding from your own government behind a puppet though.

Toads has never been inline with mainstream NPO ideology. Probably why they don't let him in in any real capacity

[Fauxia]

I lovloved the middle part where the condensing part where every region has to be like the hawks.. Its great all while begging for the apology to be how you want it crafted.

This is great I love this.

Futher proof the hawks are crap without jakker and Syg or Koth as the faces of the organization.

Council of Hawks is a good administrator crew. I don’t see any issue with saying a region should have responsible administrators that do a good job keeping NS safe.

[Xoriet]

I lovloved the middle part where the condensing part where every region has to be like the hawks.. Its great all while begging for the apology to be how you want it crafted.

This is great I love this.

Futher proof the hawks are crap without jakker and Syg or Koth as the faces of the organization.

I was going to comment on why the NPO ordered their citizens not to post on the forum, then I saw you. Formal apology is posted, formal reply given, then you cherry pick the reply to insult us.You should really take a hint when your government is trying to rebuild relations, rather than counter their efforts. Do love you hiding from your own government behind a puppet though.

You are talking to Toads at this precise moment, who has been banned from The Pacific for quite some time. Furthermore:

5 days ago: 2SDOATS was ejected and banned from The Pacific by Xoriet.

Please do not associate him with us. Thank you.

3) Expect Xoriet to retract comments that The Pacific was acting in a "benevolent" manner by hiding Block, and that he should have kept his head down and accepted it.

I think you know me a little better than that. At the time I said that, I had just heard the story of what had happened from Pergamon and his perspective while on Thanksgiving break from NS and was angry on his behalf. You are perfectly aware that I defend my friends. That screenshot being passed around was also not an official comment by any Pacifican official, simply me venting. There was never intent to call concealing 94 Block benevolent. The intent of Pergamon was not malicious, but it nonetheless was reckless and potentially endangered communities. For this reason and his failure to consider that Attero could be the same, his removal from the Senate was fully warranted.

No blacklisted player should ever be embraced or used by any community no matter how much we think they might have changed.

So yes, any comments about "benevolence" can be considered retracted.

[King Bradley]

I’m glad to see The Order has made you a Senator after light of what they really thought of you came to the surface, Xoriet.

[Raionitu]

I was going to comment on why the NPO ordered their citizens not to post on the forum, then I saw you. Formal apology is posted, formal reply given, then you cherry pick the reply to insult us.You should really take a hint when your government is trying to rebuild relations, rather than counter their efforts. Do love you hiding from your own government behind a puppet though.

You are talking to Toads at this precise moment, who has been banned from The Pacific for quite some time. Furthermore:

5 days ago: 2SDOATS was ejected and banned from The Pacific by Xoriet.

Please do not associate him with us. Thank you.

Didn't know that, thanks for letting me know.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

3) Expect Xoriet to retract comments that The Pacific was acting in a "benevolent" manner by hiding Block, and that he should have kept his head down and accepted it.

I think you know me a little better than that. At the time I said that, I had just heard the story of what had happened from Pergamon and his perspective while on Thanksgiving break from NS and was angry on his behalf. You are perfectly aware that I defend my friends. That screenshot being passed around was also not an official comment by any Pacifican official, simply me venting. There was never intent to call concealing 94 Block benevolent. The intent of Pergamon was not malicious, but it nonetheless was reckless and potentially endangered communities. For this reason and his failure to consider that Attero could be the same, his removal from the Senate was fully warranted.

No blacklisted player should ever be embraced or used by any community no matter how much we think they might have changed.

So yes, any comments about "benevolence" can be considered retracted.

I know that I've more or less not trusted you on this sort of thing since the days of Kurosaki.

The concern isn't about official comments, but rather about the sincerity/ability of the officials behind these words of apology to actually uphold them. Excuses and diminutization aside, thank you for the retraction. Actions like this, and denying citizenship to Knot, are solid steps. I hope that the NPO continues along these steps towards at least getting to the point where it's only (still very major) IC issues at hand.

[East Durthang]

Hey, ED. I appreciate the gesture, but you're barely scratching the surface here. I'm going to proceed for now under the assumption that you mean to return to the numerous IC offenses the NPO committed against TBH later, and are merely starting with the OOC issues.

I appreciate the acknowledgement that high members of The Pacific helped hide Attero's false identity ("didn't rat him out") from the rest of the GP community, and that that matter was unacceptable.

Yes, the statement was primarily intended to address the OOC problems related to Attero and Block.

If there is anything in particular which you want addressed feel free to drop me a TG or post in here and I/we will either respond when we have a moment or add it to our ever growing todo list.

The problems I see come more with the proof of your commitment here. See, part of the problem was that these players were *never* welcome in The Pacific itself - they were in fact actively denied entry (in Block's case) or in Attero's case removed soon after finding out.

Of course. Change will take time to occur. It is, however, proper that we get apology and acknowledgment statements out to all the parties wronged by our screw ups as well as taking some actions to remediate our mistakes before proceeding with further actions. We would be discourteous if we waited the time required to rectify our problems before addressing the involved parties. The corrections ahead of us will be ever the slower to occur if we must constantly refocus.

For that matter, you've failed to mention Block entirely, who was another shunned player that Perg and other more actively hid and attempted to use against TBH. You could begin by addressing that situation as well.

We are also apologetic regarding Feux asking Block to spy on you. It was equally as improper as utilizing Attero for political purposes and raises the even more concerning prospect of how much Feux coordinated it with Perg or whetehr acted on his accord, in which case who knows what other trouble he may have tried to incite. Much of Feux's time in this game has been notoriously self serving.

The New Pacific Order does not condone inappropriate out-of-character activities and has always worked to remove anyone discovered to have partaken in them.

Factually untrue. Well, maybe *technically* true - there was no need to work to "remove" the figures in questions, because as I'll discuss more below, you refused to allow them to join...just kept their identities hidden and tried to use them as agents.

I made that comment with regard to us purging individuals with inappropriate OOC history from our ranks after they are uncovered. That at least is something we've done.

We do, however, recognize that we are not always aware of the full details surrounding such actions and thus cannot always make perfect decisions, nor can we always pay attention to where they or their aliases may go. Nonetheless we will be working to streamline our efforts in this regard and others going forward.

Bullshit.

For one, the quote regarding Attero makes absolutely clear that you knew it was an alias hiding from the community at large.

Again, this was meant to be more generalized and, in part, an acknowledgment that we screwed up and could do better. As far as we can tell at least some of our government (e.g. Aleisyr and Svez) were less aware of the history than others (e.g. Perg and Feux).

For starters, you should correct your internal messaging, as quoted above, from along the lines of "we have always refused to tolerate this" to the "we made mistakes and will be trying to fix them going forwards" present here in public.

I did make some remarks about us having screwed up and needed to work on fixing ourselves including "We, like anyone, have undoubtedly made mistakes in the past." and "Nonetheless we will be working to streamline our efforts in this regard and others going forward." in the speech you are referring to. We will be working on some more internally focused clarifications and further changes once we get the next batch of apology statements out.

1) Officially and formally correcting the litany of outright lies in Pergamon's resignation speech, especially concerning his actions in regards to OOC shunned players
2) Have your Regional Officers and other officials immediately cease calling proof that those statements were lies "slander," "fake news," etc on your RMB and in public, and have them formally retract prior claims as such.

We shall see what can be done about these.

4) Continue with the complete removal of figures that actively tried to assist shunned players in remaining hidden.

We do not intend to retract the actions taken with regard to Aleisyr, Pergamon, Svezjacael, Feux, etc.

Simply put, your outward words hold little weight when your internal messaging and action dismisses these concerns or claims the base actions never happened in the first place. You must act unilaterally to fix this, not just outwardly.

Yes, our focus thus far has been more externally than domestically.

This can be arranged, but frankly, ignores the root of the issue here. The Pacific's regional structure to date, alongside it's general isolation, contributes to the root cause of this issue. You don't, at present, have an administrative team that can be trusted to handle matters of such a magnitude without the taint of politics or being override by the delegate. A core element of your ideology is “in accordance with game mechanics, the World Assembly Delegate possesses unrestricted authority over all aspects of regional government- in-game and otherwise.”

There are several manners to approach the creation of a body that can handle these issues properly. Probably more common in GCR's is an admin team intended to be generally separate from regional business that can handle matters of safety with ultimate authority. Osiris would be an example, or Europeia. It's also possible for that body to be the same as your "leadership" body - The Black Hawks works in this manner, with the Council of Hawks - as long as their are multiple voices in play and a strong commitment to safety and what is right over what is political. The Council of Hawks has repeatedly made decisions to blacklist people and groups who deserve it, whether The Invaders or The Roman Empire, even at great damage to our IC situation. Basically, you need a team with ultimate authority that either is very independent from your IC/political leadership, or which can be trusted to invariably place safety issues first. In your case, I'd recommend the former, even at cost of altering somewhat a core tenant of your ideology.

Creating such a team should be an absolute priority for you. It's absolutely unacceptable that when twice faced with situation where any other major admin team in the game would have worked in the interest of the safety of other regions, your entire senate and up choose instead to work in political interest at great risk to others. Such a body shouldn't, in the long term, *need* to be explicitly informed of every potentially bad player in the past decade, because it should be keeping itself abreast of such issues. Further, your culture should be changed so that "explicitly deny them entry to the NPO for their past issues but don't tell anyone" is *not* a valid option for a half dozen plus members of your leadership to accept without question.

If you want to be able to be able to "discuss a matter which transcends a game" like everyone else in the world, you need to establish reason to trust you are capable of doing so.

This is partially why the "outsider" is here; to bring an end to the lack of government collaboration on OOC matters. Our governments in other games have historically been much better at handling OOC (and other) problems in a professional and accountable manner - some of that is due to them functioning more as a team rather than here where the senators have historically run around doing whatever they please with little overall vision and communication. Historically, when CN was active and had more political happenings, we required all external communications conducted by government to be posted up so everyone else could review them and be aware of what was going on. Here on the other hand that rarely occurs. Anyways we will likely go for a hybrid of both systems as there are some issues which are better suited to being addressed by a government while others in need of carrying more weight and impartiality behind them should be forwarded along by the government. We'd obviously need some form of procedure for handling what happens in the event an issue which is supposed to be forwarded is kept hidden. Don't expect us to get all of that fully operational in a super short span of time as we must determine where authority begins and ends as well as procedures for handling issues which arise. Such institutions should not be hastily thrown together.

We are also evaluating different ways of handing applications in order to make denials a bit more transparent.

That line would've been better if you had more than one post, little puppet.

T.hing is, he is not a person from a foreign game being given a leadership. Line still stands.

Just be glad my nation has been around for several years and participated in its capacity as a normal member of NS NPO during that time so I am not completely ignorant and was wise enough to have sought to appoint people with experience as a means of counteracting areas which will take time for me to acquire it.

[Bowzin]

I do applaud you for reaching out in a non-hostile manner, good change of pace

[Saint Block]

I take offense at being implied to be an OOC problem, because that’s simply not true.

[Azaelai]

The Black Hawks took a visit to Hemlock Grove, Pennsylvania, after being invited by the Godfreys to meet the Hawknoid creature created in the lowest level of the White Tower. The Hawknoid create got out, escaping to The Nest.

The Hemlock Hawks:
SGT Azaelai (trigger)
MAJ Captain Alexander
LTN Felt Karpit
CPL Bizzas
PFC Frankreed
PFC Woryand
& Mercenary Friends Benjabobaria and Prussian Sweeze

hits:
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Radiant Republic
Philosophy
Leftist Alliance
Korthenia
League Of Debauchery
The United Panel Of Sovereign States
Holy Internet Empire
Nationland
Asia Nova
Entropys Realm
The Biggest Hole In The Ground
The Great Region Of Succ
The Homeland Defense League
Rathlin
Walter Payton Region
The Continent Of Belthnia
Regions Left To Die
Alliance To Defend Democracy
Thanksgiving
East Caribbean
Penguin
Illias
Poop
Americanada
Northwest Front
Springtopia
Swishahouse
Ovany Prime
Czechrepublic
The Harsh Democracies
Ven
Euernithe

[Zizou]

That was fun! Thanks for the raid rach!

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Penguin

Good. Penguins are a plague on this planet.

[Zizou]

Penguin

Good. Penguins are a plague on this planet.

Appreciate the beautiful snow ducks!

[Benjabobaria]

Penguin

Good. Penguins are a plague on this planet.

Fake news, penguins are cool

[Saint Block]

Nice big run! Great work, working on the fly.

[Felt Karpit]

nope

[Azaelai]

December 12th, 2018 || Major

The Black Hawks decided to open a business, and like all businesses, they needed to spread the word about their new business. At CawCorp, they sell ice skates and run an ice skating rink. Much to everyone's surprise, Hawks are actually good ice skaters. Come check out their awesome ice skating moves at CawCorp.

The Sk8r Hawks:
Sergeant Azaelai (trigger)
Corporal Bizzas
Corporal Cyzon Galactic
Private First Class Frankreed
Private First Class Scottfire
Private First Class Woryand

Osiris Sehkmet Legion:
Moshir Benjabobaria

& Mercenary Sweeze

Cms Crew
Democratic States Of Europe
City Of Angel
Alcantara
Solar Union
Rip Harambe
Ordo Of The Exul
Skyrimerielwind
Orion Constellation
The Land Of Darkness
The Imperial Region
The Freeland For All
Mom Central
Haircut
International Space Station
Devide By Zero
Just Bored
The Depths Of The Underworld
La Federacion De Europa Unida
Esterios
Bloodbender Heaven
West Veridianhttpswwwnationstatesnetregion
Doki Doki Nationstates Club

[Malphe]

Keeping it up with the groundbreaking hawk Photoshops.

[Miss Bad Life Choices]

Keeping it up with the groundbreaking hawk Photoshops.

Bold of you to assume it’s photoshop and not an actual photo.

[Lyrical International Brigade]

That hawk's got, like, Olympic speed skater level crossover game. Does TBH have a hockey team? Y'all could clean up!