The Black Hawks | Still Winning

by **The Notorious Mad Jack** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:38 am

I mean I've seen the screenshots, but if Block wants to hand them directly to me, my discord is MadJack#1524.

If I'm not sufficiently unbiased enough for you then I'm sure there's someone somewhere who is...

by **Elegarth** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:24 pm

With Block and TP involved, it is hard to find neutral parties TBH.

by **King Bradley** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:13 pm

Now they’ve been shared all over NationStates. Kinda moot now. It shows that The NPO has never cared about another region or player unless they can exert control over them.

by **Azaelai** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:28 pm

(Hawks Descending Into Regions In Search of Salt, 2018)

The Black Hawks were in need of some salt after getting a ghost problem in The Nest. Thankfully NationStates is full of salt, so the Hawks flew by to get some. Thanks for the salt!

The Haunted Hawks:
Sergeant Azaelai
General Jakker
Major Captain Alexander
Lieutenant Felt Karpit
Corporal Bizzas
Corporal Dyllonia
Private First Class Scottfire

Salty Regions:
Libreland
Region Of Something
Scp Foundation
Regione Del Mediterraneo
Union Of The Greater Alaxandrian Islands
The Most Holy Region Of The Slg
Pff
A Crack In Space And Time
North Anarou
Union De Paises Internacionales
Adriatica
Earth Sovereign Colonies

Only 12 regions? Well, yes, but what's the first letter of each hit spell?

by **Cosmopolitan borovan** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:33 pm

Regions ordered wrong to easily know it's spelled supernatural

by **Azaelai** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:34 pm

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:Regions ordered wrong to easily know it's spelled supernatural

I know I'm not Escade but let me have my fun with gifs

(also will edit to knock order around more then >_>)

by **Draganisia** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:09 am

King Bradley wrote:Now they’ve been shared all over NationStates. Kinda moot now. It shows that The NPO has never cared about another region or player unless they can exert control over them.

Doesn't really matter since they are all lies and coming from liars like you.

by **Devi** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:13 am

Draganisia wrote:
King Bradley wrote:Now they’ve been shared all over NationStates. Kinda moot now. It shows that The NPO has never cared about another region or player unless they can exert control over them.

Doesn't really matter since they are all lies and coming from liars like you.

Ah yes, the typical NPO response. :blush:

by **Draganisia** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:14 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Saint Block wrote:The Order was aware of who I was since the first week of October, since I was trying to rejoin NPO so I could rejoin NSGP with a solid cover. Why they didn’t let me rejoin, I can understand. Why they didn’t expose me after denying me reentry into The Order, I don’t know.

I spoke to Pergamon earlier today about the NPO involving itself with you, when Cormac claimed that Feux and AMOM had enlisted your help. Pergamon responded that the NPO isn't seeking aid from you and doesn't need disgraced players.

Either he lied directly to me, or you're lying about this, Block.

Can confirm from firsthand experience within the NPO that Block is a known liar and any "evidence" he has is probably photoshopped.

by **Draganisia** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:15 am

Devi wrote:
Draganisia wrote:
Doesn't really matter since they are all lies and coming from liars like you.

Ah yes, the typical NPO response.

Can call it typical all you want.

In the end I am always telling the truth.

by **King Bradley** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:20 am

The classic “photoshop” deflection. Add that to the current count of swing and misses from the NPO.

by **Draganisia** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:38 am

King Bradley wrote:The classic “photoshop” deflection. Add that to the current count of swing and misses from the NPO.

And yet you can't prove that it wasn't photoshoped so it is all still lies.

by **King Bradley** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:43 am

The parties who have the evidence know how to confirm if something is photoshopped or not.

You’ll get there one day, buddy.

by **Killer Kitty** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:02 am

Draganisia wrote:Doesn't really matter since they are all lies and coming from liars like you.

EVERYTHING IS LIES!

by **Devi** » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:57 am

How Can NPO Infiltrations Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real?

by **Azaelai** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:03 am

Sleepy Hawks Who Just Wanted To Sleep Early

Two GCRs and some Hawks stroll into a bar. This isn't a joke, they're tired from that long update and need to relax.

The Black Hawks, The North Pacific Army, and the Osiris Sehkmet Legion are all napping in The Nest now.

The Exhawksted Raiders:

The Black Hawks
Sergeant Azaelai (trigger)
Lieutenant Felt Karpit
Corporal Bizzas
Corporal Dyllonia
Private First Class Ezkio
Private First Class Frankreed

North Pacific Army
General QuietDad of TNP
Colonel Darcania
Major Konar
Major Veniyerris
Captain Bobberino
Lieutenant Palutenia
Sergeant Goatentah
Private First Class Krevt
Private Pasmeni

Osiris
Moshir Benjabobaria
Raqib Luna State
'Arif Lenny S

by **Benjabobaria** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:06 am

Whooo man this raid was awesome. The 1:20 update was exhausting but wow this was fun.

by **Lord Dominator** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:15 am

Good job indeed.
Better get to work on those detags Legio

by **Zizou** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:24 am

Fun raid! Thanks for the raid, Rach!

by **East Durthang** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:49 am

To Ever-Wandering Souls,

Former Regent Pergamon and former Senator Karenus committed a grave wrong when they kept the true identity of Comrade Sarah from The Black Hawks when he infiltrated. If they did not know Attero’s full list of wrongdoings, they are nonetheless both guilty of gross negligence in the protection of the community. This is most prominent in your specific case, as Attero’s most notable offenses were against you. We are now aware of the severity of the situation. As Senators are representative of the New Pacific Order, by extension the New Pacific Order is held accountable to endangering you by concealing this information. If there was no malicious intent behind it, it was nonetheless a grave wrong.

The Pacific in the future has committed to the path that no offender of grave IC or OOC offenses will be concealed in the Order. Any attempts at entry will be instantly rebuffed, and the offender who appealed to us for protection or cooperation will be denounced, whether they are under an identity or simply applied as themselves. Players whose actions have endangered the well-being of the community are not welcome in The Pacific, and that they were ever associated with in the first place is not something of which we will be proud. That culture of permissiveness and poor decision-making is ended and will never return.

To ensure that we are able to do this, we request that you let us know other blacklisted players who may have threatened or endangered you in the past. We cannot know about an individual if we are not fully aware of them. As a result of this, we would propose that our regions be able to work together on the subject of OOC offenders. We have already collaborated on one such who entered the region of whose history we were unaware, and we able to do so because we were able to discuss a matter which transcends a game. Even without being aware of the full extent of the background of a blacklisted player, all members of the community who are aware that a player is blacklisted should refuse to ever work with them.

On behalf of both the previous Senate and on behalf of the new Senate, the New Pacific Order extends our sincere and genuine apologies. This should never have happened, and we will never allow it to happen again. The situation is not acceptable in any way, and we want you to know that we are not going to try to whitewash this. You were wronged, your region was wronged, and the community was wronged. If we do not ask your forgiveness, we do want you to know that this was not a coerced statement. We genuinely regret that you were endangered by the negligence of our own government on the matter of Attero.

by **Commonwealth of New jersey** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:22 pm

East Durthang wrote:To Ever-Wandering Souls,

Former Regent Pergamon and former Senator Karenus committed a grave wrong when they kept the true identity of Comrade Sarah from The Black Hawks when he infiltrated. If they did not know Attero’s full list of wrongdoings, they are nonetheless both guilty of gross negligence in the protection of the community. This is most prominent in your specific case, as Attero’s most notable offenses were against you. We are now aware of the severity of the situation. As Senators are representative of the New Pacific Order, by extension the New Pacific Order is held accountable to endangering you by concealing this information. If there was no malicious intent behind it, it was nonetheless a grave wrong.

The Pacific in the future has committed to the path that no offender of grave IC or OOC offenses will be concealed in the Order. Any attempts at entry will be instantly rebuffed, and the offender who appealed to us for protection or cooperation will be denounced, whether they are under an identity or simply applied as themselves. Players whose actions have endangered the well-being of the community are not welcome in The Pacific, and that they were ever associated with in the first place is not something of which we will be proud. That culture of permissiveness and poor decision-making is ended and will never return.

To ensure that we are able to do this, we request that you let us know other blacklisted players who may have threatened or endangered you in the past. We cannot know about an individual if we are not fully aware of them. As a result of this, we would propose that our regions be able to work together on the subject of OOC offenders. We have already collaborated on one such who entered the region of whose history we were unaware, and we able to do so because we were able to discuss a matter which transcends a game. Even without being aware of the full extent of the background of a blacklisted player, all members of the community who are aware that a player is blacklisted should refuse to ever work with them.

On behalf of both the previous Senate and on behalf of the new Senate, the New Pacific Order extends our sincere and genuine apologies. This should never have happened, and we will never allow it to happen again. The situation is not acceptable in any way, and we want you to know that we are not going to try to whitewash this. You were wronged, your region was wronged, and the community was wronged. If we do not ask your forgiveness, we do want you to know that this was not a coerced statement. We genuinely regret that you were endangered by the negligence of our own government on the matter of Attero.

All well and good, but uh, Pergamon is still in the Pacific, and the insane dispatch he created is still up, so the point is moot.
'Edit' Wow, this is only your 2nd post! Guess the rumors about the NPO being mostly offsite were true!

by **The Notorious Mad Jack** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:35 pm

Commonwealth of New jersey wrote:'Edit' Wow, this is only your 2nd post! Guess the rumors about the NPO being mostly offsite were true!

That line would've been better if you had more than one post, little puppet.

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:37 pm

East Durthang wrote:To Ever-Wandering Souls,

Former Regent Pergamon and former Senator Karenus committed a grave wrong when they kept the true identity of Comrade Sarah from The Black Hawks when he infiltrated. If they did not know Attero’s full list of wrongdoings, they are nonetheless both guilty of gross negligence in the protection of the community. This is most prominent in your specific case, as Attero’s most notable offenses were against you. We are now aware of the severity of the situation. As Senators are representative of the New Pacific Order, by extension the New Pacific Order is held accountable to endangering you by concealing this information. If there was no malicious intent behind it, it was nonetheless a grave wrong.

Hey, ED. I appreciate the gesture, but you're barely scratching the surface here. I'm going to proceed for now under the assumption that you mean to return to the numerous IC offenses the NPO committed against TBH later, and are merely starting with the OOC issues.

I appreciate the acknowledgement that high members of The Pacific helped hide Attero's false identity ("didn't rat him out") from the rest of the GP community, and that that matter was unacceptable.

The Pacific in the future has committed to the path that no offender of grave IC or OOC offenses will be concealed in the Order. Any attempts at entry will be instantly rebuffed, and the offender who appealed to us for protection or cooperation will be denounced, whether they are under an identity or simply applied as themselves. Players whose actions have endangered the well-being of the community are not welcome in The Pacific, and that they were ever associated with in the first place is not something of which we will be proud. That culture of permissiveness and poor decision-making is ended and will never return.

The problems I see come more with the proof of your commitment here. See, part of the problem was that these players were *never* welcome in The Pacific itself - they were in fact actively denied entry (in Block's case) or in Attero's case removed soon after finding out. For that matter, you've failed to mention Block entirely, who was another shunned player that Perg and other more actively hid and attempted to use against TBH. You could begin by addressing that situation as well.

For that matter, here's a few other things you could do to make this appear more sincere. I'll begin by quoting myself from earlier -

For starters, you should correct your internal messaging, as quoted above, from along the lines of "we have always refused to tolerate this" to the "we made mistakes and will be trying to fix them going forwards" present here in public. Further, you should consider these items as a few things necessary to begin being taken seriously:

1) Officially and formally correcting the litany of outright lies in Pergamon's resignation speech, especially concerning his actions in regards to OOC shunned players

2) Have your Regional Officers and other officials immediately cease calling proof that those statements were lies "slander," "fake news," etc on your RMB and in public, and have them formally retract prior claims as such.

3) Expect Xoriet to retract comments that The Pacific was acting in a "benevolent" manner by hiding Block, and that he should have kept his head down and accepted it

4) Continue with the complete removal of figures that actively tried to assist shunned players in remaining hidden.

Simply put, your outward words hold little weight when your internal messaging and action dismisses these concerns or claims the base actions never happened in the first place. You must act unilaterally to fix this, not just outwardly.

To ensure that we are able to do this, we request that you let us know other blacklisted players who may have threatened or endangered you in the past. We cannot know about an individual if we are not fully aware of them. As a result of this, we would propose that our regions be able to work together on the subject of OOC offenders. We have already collaborated on one such who entered the region of whose history we were unaware, and we able to do so because we were able to discuss a matter which transcends a game. Even without being aware of the full extent of the background of a blacklisted player, all members of the community who are aware that a player is blacklisted should refuse to ever work with them.

This can be arranged, but frankly, ignores the root of the issue here. The Pacific's regional structure to date, alongside it's general isolation, contributes to the root cause of this issue. You don't, at present, have an administrative team that can be trusted to handle matters of such a magnitude without the taint of politics or being override by the delegate. A core element of your ideology is “in accordance with game mechanics, the World Assembly Delegate possesses unrestricted authority over all aspects of regional government- in-game and otherwise.”

There are several manners to approach the creation of a body that can handle these issues properly. Probably more common in GCR's is an admin team intended to be generally separate from regional business that can handle matters of safety with ultimate authority. Osiris would be an example, or Europeia. It's also possible for that body to be the same as your "leadership" body - The Black Hawks works in this manner, with the Council of Hawks - as long as their are multiple voices in play and a strong commitment to safety and what is right over what is political. The Council of Hawks has repeatedly made decisions to blacklist people and groups who deserve it, whether The Invaders or The Roman Empire, even at great damage to our IC situation. Basically, you need a team with ultimate authority that either is very independent from your IC/political leadership, or which can be trusted to invariably place safety issues first. In your case, I'd recommend the former, even at cost of altering somewhat a core tenant of your ideology.

Creating such a team should be an absolute priority for you. It's absolutely unacceptable that when twice faced with situation where any other major admin team in the game would have worked in the interest of the safety of other regions, your entire senate and up choose instead to work in political interest at great risk to others. Such a body shouldn't, in the long term, *need* to be explicitly informed of every potentially bad player in the past decade, because it should be keeping itself abreast of such issues. Further, your culture should be changed so that "explicitly deny them entry to the NPO for their past issues but don't tell anyone" is *not* a valid option for a half dozen plus members of your leadership to accept without question.

If you want to be able to be able to "discuss a matter which transcends a game" like everyone else in the world, you need to establish reason to trust you are capable of doing so.

On behalf of both the previous Senate and on behalf of the new Senate, the New Pacific Order extends our sincere and genuine apologies. This should never have happened, and we will never allow it to happen again. The situation is not acceptable in any way, and we want you to know that we are not going to try to whitewash this. You were wronged, your region was wronged, and the community was wronged. If we do not ask your forgiveness, we do want you to know that this was not a coerced statement. We genuinely regret that you were endangered by the negligence of our own government on the matter of Attero.

Again, thank you for starting down this path. IC issues aside for the moment, this is a good first step toward fixing your OOC issues, and regaining some baseline trust in your administration. Take some meaningful actions, match your internal messaging to your external, among other items above, and then perhaps we can continue down this path to satisfaction on at least one set of issues.

by **Neo Domais** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:50 pm

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Commonwealth of New jersey wrote:'Edit' Wow, this is only your 2nd post! Guess the rumors about the NPO being mostly offsite were true!

That line would've been better if you had more than one post, little puppet.

T.hing is, he is not a person from a foreign game being given a leadership. Line still stands.

by **2SDOATS** » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:14 pm

I lovloved the middle part where the condensing part where every region has to be like the hawks.. Its great all while begging for the apology to be how you want it crafted.

This is great I love this.

Futher proof the hawks are crap without jakker and Syg or Koth as the faces of the organization.

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