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Ayvari
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Postby Ayvari » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:22 pm

Petyr wrote:I've come here (Gameplay) to be a constant anti-raider voice.

:o So are you going to do anything productive, like defend against us? If discouraging words worked on raiders, you wouldn't have any raiders. Typing out some rhetoric for a response achieves nothing.
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Ever-Wandering Souls
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:25 pm

Petyr wrote:You don't strategize anymore. You don't use stealth anymore. You use tools to tell you what time to press a button and then you press that button. Raiding is no longer art, it is programmed. Posters are complementing the Black Hawks, they should be complimenting your updating tool. All you do is join the WA and wait for it.

If raiding returned to using stealth and disguising raids as native coups through sleepers it would indeed be a much more intelligent and entertaining affair, and my Baelish-self would probably enjoy it. You're much more Joffrey than Petyr at the moment, not in the past, but certainly now.

And for "not every operation" it sure seems to be every operation. I emplore you to prove me wrong, though. ;)

@Jakker: Was having a hard time finding a mockingbird design I liked. I assure you, I'll be up to a lot more than changing my flag in the future. I've come here (Gameplay) to be a constant anti-raider voice.


Bovine Excrement. While there are many things I wish I could talk about but can't, yet, let's talk the infiltration in Canada. Or, perhaps, completely compromising the entire intelligence department of the "native" TBR, driving a delegate rouge, while warning of his instability to the rest of the government, becoming their trusted man for countering the rouge we created, taking the delegacy with their backing, taking the entire governmental body by rigging elections, after rigging constitutional elections to allow us the most favorable constitution to rig said later elections, gaining over 60 endorsements, performing the ejection of about a half dozen top-influence nations there while in that position, and doing so with Cormac, Ivo, and Llamas hanging around but not suspecting anything enough to act on it?

I personally have never used an update tool. Ever. The most complicated piece of raid technology I've used is what can be achieved by me downloading the region dump, opening in excell, and removing everything but region names. My triggers are all manual, when they're even needed. Because recently, I've enjoyed not even having to trigger a jump. Why? Stealth.

Only complement our update tool? Tools don't gather people. Tools don't place a sleeper. Even an operation as simple as this one, we utilized a sleeper to allow us to be creative (oh wait, we can be creative?) with a WFE, instead of just pushing some random native into the seat and achieving the same root goal (Texas was cool, but the same exact thing on a shorter delegate, less so without improvement).

I feel as though this next paragraph has been sufficiently covered by what I can say. Oh, how I'd love to tell you about all the juicy things on my drawing board, as I love trying something new and stealthy, but alas, that can't be.
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The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative

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Tano
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Postby Tano » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:37 pm

Souls, keep being a badass, you mofo' badass
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:39 pm

Tano wrote:Souls, keep being a badass, you mofo' badass


[11:33:52 PM] EW Souls - TBH: I felt like...
[11:33:55 PM] EW Souls - TBH: that sniper meme
[11:34:05 PM] EW Souls - TBH: that's what it felt like I was writing :P

:lol:
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The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

Misley wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative

How Do I Telegram API?

Omnis delenda est.

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:50 pm

Petyr wrote:I've come here (Gameplay) to be a constant anti-raider voice.

Any chance you can complement the amount of talk you're doing in GP by showing a similar output at update? See you in 10 minutes, lad. ;)
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Postby Knot » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:53 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:Any chance you can complement the amount of talk you're doing in GP by showing a similar output at update? See you in 10 minutes, lad. ;)

I wouldn't count on it. There are many people who think they're adamantly anti-raider, but have never lifted a finger to do anything about it. ;)
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Revall
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Postby Revall » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:54 pm

Better luck next time trying to marginalize well executed TBH victories.

You mess with one of our (souls) you mess with all of our Souls.
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Postby United RussoAsia » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:55 pm

Petyr wrote:I've come here (Gameplay) to be a constant anti-raider voice.

This is going to get old very, very quickly, bsides the fact we have plenty of people that do it already and if your intent is to do something about it then it accomplishes nothing.

We Are Not The ATF wrote:
Petyr wrote:You don't strategize anymore. You don't use stealth anymore.

*cough*TBR*cough*

This.
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Ryuki
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Postby Ryuki » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:57 pm

The way I view Petyr is an angry native, like many before him.
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Auchendinny Invasion Unit 1
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Postby Auchendinny Invasion Unit 1 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:57 pm

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Severisen
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Postby Severisen » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:59 pm

I'll probably defend more in 2015 than this chap.
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Petyr
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Postby Petyr » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:04 pm

How long ago was Canada dearest Souls?

And I will grant that you totally schooled the TBR crowd. That was a brand new region where the members had little influence and no experience. It will in all likelihood go down as the biggest accomplishment of the modern raiders. I believe you and I would read that sentence two different ways, however.

Interesting how despite the wide knowledge that such tools exist, no one ever seems to use them.

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Postby Petyr » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:05 pm

Severisen wrote:I'll probably defend more in 2015 than this chap.

If you mean me, yes. I do not update.

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Postby Tano » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:07 pm

Petyr wrote:How long ago was Canada dearest Souls?

And I will grant that you totally schooled the TBR crowd. That was a brand new region where the members had little influence and no experience. It will in all likelihood go down as the biggest accomplishment of the modern raiders. I believe you and I would read that sentence two different ways, however.

Interesting how despite the wide knowledge that such tools exist, no one ever seems to use them.

For real though, who's puppet are you? I don't really know many people this annoying but I have a few guesses.
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hobbes: at least,not on NS
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Postby SevHawk » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:09 pm

So, you're going to be one of those guys. All talk, not willing to back it up. As Tim said, put up or shut up? ;)

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Ever-Wandering Souls
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:10 pm

Petyr wrote:How long ago was Canada dearest Souls?

And I will grant that you totally schooled the TBR crowd. That was a brand new region where the members had little influence and no experience. It will in all likelihood go down as the biggest accomplishment of the modern raiders. I believe you and I would read that sentence two different ways, however.

Interesting how despite the wide knowledge that such tools exist, no one ever seems to use them.


A while, now. I simply mentioned it because it's sleeper effort was more impressive than Equestria, Region Inc, South Pacific...

Little influence, no experience, and the offered aid and eye of several experienced GP members* Not to mention the public scrutiny of the world. I was delegate for 39 days before we blew the cover off. During that time, I posted on the forums. The closest I came to suspicion was in one SC thread, but that was soon dismissed.

Oh, I'm not so stupid that I can't figure out that you think this is the highest point we'll reach. Our plans for the future and many new members would disagree, though. I see this time as the first ridge to be crested, not as the peak. There's a long way to go yet.

If you want to meet people who use tools, try talking to a tag run. I don't tag much myself, even when free. Not something I find very enjoyable. Besides, they're not really all that helpful in the grand scheme of things. Raids happened for years without them.
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The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

Misley wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative

How Do I Telegram API?

Omnis delenda est.

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United RussoAsia
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Postby United RussoAsia » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:12 pm

Petyr wrote:
Severisen wrote:I'll probably defend more in 2015 than this chap.

If you mean me, yes. I do not update.

So your plan goes along the lines of, "Publicly bash raiders by spewing the same stuff that everyone who watches gameplay has seen 1,000 times before but never actually do anything about them"?
Surely this seems as foolish to you as it does to me?
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Ever-Wandering Souls
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:15 pm

United RussoAsia wrote:So your plan goes along the lines of, "Publicly bash raiders by spewing the same stuff that everyone who watches gameplay has seen 1,000 times before but never actually do anything about them"?
Surely this seems as foolish to you as it does to me?


Or perhaps he hopes to keep us here talking to him instead of planning and executing raids :P I certainly don't think he intended to give me this much fun posting in GP tonight xD

Worry not, I'll still go check on Harenhime in a bit ;)
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The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

Misley wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative

How Do I Telegram API?

Omnis delenda est.

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Postby Petyr » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:17 pm

United RussoAsia wrote:
Petyr wrote:If you mean me, yes. I do not update.

So your plan goes along the lines of, "Publicly bash raiders by spewing the same stuff that everyone who watches gameplay has seen 1,000 times before but never actually do anything about them"?
Surely this seems as foolish to you as it does to me?

Oh. Did I say that?

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:18 pm

Petyr wrote:How long ago was Canada dearest Souls?

And I will grant that you totally schooled the TBR crowd. That was a brand new region where the members had little influence and no experience. It will in all likelihood go down as the biggest accomplishment of the modern raiders. I believe you and I would read that sentence two different ways, however.

Interesting how despite the wide knowledge that such tools exist, no one ever seems to use them.

:palm: You do realize that you are making an ass of yourself correct? If you really want to do something about it, why don't you get off of your ass and defend?

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Postby United RussoAsia » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:19 pm

Petyr wrote:
United RussoAsia wrote:So your plan goes along the lines of, "Publicly bash raiders by spewing the same stuff that everyone who watches gameplay has seen 1,000 times before but never actually do anything about them"?
Surely this seems as foolish to you as it does to me?

Oh. Did I say that?

Pretty much, yeah. Not the way I worded it, but pretty much.
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Postby We Are Not The ATF » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:21 pm

Petyr wrote:
United RussoAsia wrote:So your plan goes along the lines of, "Publicly bash raiders by spewing the same stuff that everyone who watches gameplay has seen 1,000 times before but never actually do anything about them"?
Surely this seems as foolish to you as it does to me?

Oh. Did I say that?

Yes. Complaining about the lack of creativity in tag raids, then not doing anything to stop them from happening is the definition of "all talk, but no walk".
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:24 pm

Petyr wrote:Interesting how despite the wide knowledge that such tools exist, no one ever seems to use them.


If they're as instrumental as you say, why not use them to stop us? After all, Feuer Ritter kindly shared TBR/DEN's sheets with the world. I'm sure there's plenty of people with those files now who would pass them on if asked. You'd have the same tools, and then we'd be at stalemate if they're as all-important as you claim, and a stalemate is a win for those against us.
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The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

Misley wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative

How Do I Telegram API?

Omnis delenda est.

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:25 pm

Petyr wrote:
Severisen wrote:I'll probably defend more in 2015 than this chap.

If you mean me, yes. I do not update.

Shame, any chance you can cut this out then? Your Armchair Defending is doing absolutely nothing but making our side seem silly, if you want to complain then load up some switchers and come defend with the rest of us. You're even on at update, and choosing to waste your time making posts rather than defending. Hell, join me right now and we could probably stop some of DEN's current tag run. Folks like you, sitting from the sidelines and complaining about invaders, do absolutely nothing but honestly motivate DEN and TBH to hit more targets. Want to help? Either stop, or back up your words with some on-field action.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:28 pm

Tim's message is Souls approved :P A little more competition on the field always makes things more interesting, and a good infiltration attempt or two would give our security departments something other to do than find Realm's newest attempts to join.
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TG me anytime; I'm always happy to talk about anything!

The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

Misley wrote:
Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative

How Do I Telegram API?

Omnis delenda est.

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