The Howler: TRR Delegate election

by **Libetarian Republics** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:22 pm

Evil Wolf wrote:Say what will you about Gradea, but at least his challenge got Unibot out as Delegate.

I mean, replaced with Guy, a UDL stooge of Unibot's personal choosing, but, that's something. Right?

Since when has Guy been a part of the UDL :eyebrow:

by **Evil Wolf** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:33 pm

FRA, UDL, it's basically the same thing. He's been Unibot's "yes man" for a while though, that's without dispute.

by **Nemeth** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:39 pm

Evil Wolf wrote:FRA, UDL, it's basically the same thing. He's been Unibot's "yes man" for a while though, that's without dispute.

In what universe are the FRA and the UDL "basically the same thing"?

by **Evil Wolf** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:05 pm

In the universe where the share jump points, defender channels, intelligence forums, and like half their personnel.

So, this one.

by **Nemeth** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:10 pm

Evil Wolf wrote:In the universe where the share jump points, defender channels, intelligence forums, and like half their personnel.

So, this one.

1. I wasn't aware Launching Point and Unity were the same region. Must be a game glitch. Thanks for the tip!
2. I wasn't aware [insert distinctly separate FRA operational channel here] and #udl were the same channel. Must be an IRC glitch. Thanks for the tip!
3. I wasn't aware the FRA and UDL forums were the same forum. Must be a Zetaboards glitch. Thanks for the tip!
4. Admittedly, I don't know how much cross-membership there is, but given the accuracy of your other claims, I'm going to assume it's less than half and you made up that statistic out of thin air.

by **Evil Wolf** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:15 pm

Nemeth wrote:1. I wasn't aware Launching Point and Unity were the same region. Must be a game glitch. Thanks for the tip.

Launching Point's WFE says "This region is home to two defender groups: UDL and the LLA". The Lazarus Liberation Army is part of the FRA and now the FRA's major army, since they dumped most of their active people in there.

Nemeth wrote:2. I wasn't aware [insert distinctly separate FRA operational channel here] and #udl were the same channel. Must be an IRC glitch. Thanks for the tip!

UDL doesn't use #UDL for operations and hasn't for a while. It uses #Jump, as does the FRA.

Nemeth wrote:3. I wasn't aware the FRA and UDL forums were the same forum. Must be a Zetaboards glitch. Thanks for the tip!

Some of their shared intel forums are. They are uber sekret.

Feel free to tell me how wrong I am, however.

by **Nemeth** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:30 pm

Your points are silly. It would be like saying if raiders use the same Skype chat and the same jump point -- let's say, Nugut -- for a joint operation, they are all really DEN operating under different names.

So defenders use common channels and jump points for joint operations. That doesn't make them all the same.

by **Sovreignry** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:17 pm

Evil Wolf wrote:Say what will you about Gradea, but at least his challenge got Unibot out as Delegate.

I mean, replaced with Guy, a UDL stooge of Unibot's personal choosing, but, that's something. Right?

I don't think Guy's ever been in the UDL.

by **Benevolent Thomas** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:21 pm

Not to further nitpick, but LLA is full of fresh(er) faces. Kazmr, Deadeye Jack, Monomaniac and EVIWC to name a few. Campinia and DYP are the only FRA rangers that I know of who operate out of the LLA.

by **Guy** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:47 am

Evil Wolf wrote:I mean, replaced with Guy, a UDL stooge of Unibot's personal choosing

Uhm. Whaaaaaaaat.

I was going to leave my reply at that, but since there's the off-chance that you actually believe that, I think it's worthwhile replying to.

First, when I ran for Delegate, I believed that I would be running against Unibot. . He was in fact a candidate at the time that I declared my candidacy, and I actively courted votes for myself during that period. There was no notice or consultation whatsoever with Unibot in regards to me running. My #1 loyalty in this game is to TRR, my main region since May 2011. I have been its Delegate before, and that was the case then, too. I ran because I believed, and still do, that my Delegacy would be in TRR's best interests.

In regards to me being UDL, a stooge, or Unibot's, I'm not sure you could have said something further from the truth. When Unibot was in charge of the UDL, my relation with that organisation was one of indifference, at best. At worst, I actually refused to join #udl due to my strong operational disagreements with it, and I did not mince my words about those. One of my reasons for year-long retirement in late 2012 was this conflict.

It is true that now, relations between the FRA and UDL are strong. That is also true for relations between all defender organisations, and there is nothing particularly special about FRA-UDL relations. All defender organisations share multiple layers of communication and cooperation, at unprecedented levels. This is not just about the UDL or FRA. If you had any understanding at all of defenders, you would know that there are many other very valuable groups out there, and that the FRA's regional militaries (as BT has pointed out) are quite independent of it. (Something that you should know, having applied for LWU to become an FRA member.) It is also true that Unibot is no longer a member of the UDL command. He's not involved in any of those initiatives. This can be confirmed by asking any defender.

I never was, and never will be, a UDL member. My nation's flag is that of the RRA, adopted by TRR. My energy, thoughts and contributions in this game are directed towards it. To suggest that I'm acting for someone else, on behalf of an organisation I'm not a member of, and of which he is not a senior member at the moment, is laughable.

But hey, we all know that Wolf is Onder's stooge.

by **Tim-Opolis** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:57 am

Evil Wolf wrote:I mean, replaced with Guy, a UDL stooge of Unibot's personal choosing, but, that's something. Right?

Clearly! I mean, afterall, we all know that Guy is actually McMasterdonia, who has actually been Biyah's alter-ego all along. And Biyah was IN THE UDL!!!! Illuminati confirmed?

by **Sovreignry** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:09 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Evil Wolf wrote:I mean, replaced with Guy, a UDL stooge of Unibot's personal choosing, but, that's something. Right?

Clearly! I mean, afterall, we all know that Guy is actually McMasterdonia, who has actually been Biyah's alter-ego all along. And Biyah was IN THE UDL!!!! Illuminati confirmed?

Guy has three letters, triangles have three sides...

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

by **United RussoAsia** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:11 pm

Oh good lord.

by **Benevolent Thomas** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:28 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Evil Wolf wrote:I mean, replaced with Guy, a UDL stooge of Unibot's personal choosing, but, that's something. Right?

Clearly! I mean, afterall, we all know that Guy is actually McMasterdonia, who has actually been Biyah's alter-ego all along. And Biyah was IN THE UDL!!!! Illuminati confirmed?

Huzzah! The truth shall never die!

by **Ainocra** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:51 pm

We will monitor this situation closely

by **Starstream Tribe** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:36 am

Ainocra wrote:We will monitor this situation closely

I'm sure a lot of people/regions will

by **Sovreignry** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:40 am

To answer the question posed about cross membership between the UDL Merrymen and the FRA Rangers, there's surprisingly very little overlap.

But you know, facts aren't fun or sexy like spouting off nonsense is.

by **Gradea** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:00 pm

Going to put another article out soon so stay tuned!

by **Jean Pierre Trudeau** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:36 pm

Gradea wrote:Going to put another article out soon so stay tuned!

And that required a post why?

by **Arctriul** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:49 am

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Gradea wrote:Going to put another article out soon so stay tuned!

And that required a post why?

Post count buddy - It's always the post count

1000 stamps says the next article will be on his war against the NPO :roll:

by **Zaolat** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:52 am

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Gradea wrote:Going to put another article out soon so stay tuned!

And that required a post why?

Uhh, cause maybe it's his thread and he fucking can. It's not like none of the other news threads have never ever posted that an article will be out soon.

If you want to pick on something, pick on something that's not irrelevant Chester.

by **Benjamin Henrikson** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:21 am

Ya, people need to lighten up on Gradea. He is playing the game his way and most of his criticizers aren't doing shit that gives them the right to.

by **Arctriul** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:16 am

Benjamin Henrikson wrote:Ya, people need to lighten up on Gradea. He is playing the game his way and most of his criticizers aren't doing shit that gives them the right to.

Yeah....no

What Zaolat held true - Chester was just picking at nothing at all. Everyone else laughing at his "NPO IS EVIL" stuff have all the right that they need.

by **Benjamin Henrikson** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:15 am

Arctriul wrote:
Benjamin Henrikson wrote:Ya, people need to lighten up on Gradea. He is playing the game his way and most of his criticizers aren't doing shit that gives them the right to.

Yeah....no

What Zaolat held true - Chester was just picking at nothing at all. Everyone else laughing at his "NPO IS EVIL" stuff have all the right that they need.

No, I'm pointing out the hypocracy. He may be doing things wrong, but he has accomplished having all of gameplay watching what he is doing, who else can accomplish that.

Gradea, dream big. Even if you never accomplish your goals the effort was good enough!

by **Arctriul** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:18 am

Benjamin Henrikson wrote:
Arctriul wrote:Yeah....no

What Zaolat held true - Chester was just picking at nothing at all. Everyone else laughing at his "NPO IS EVIL" stuff have all the right that they need.

No, I'm pointing out the hypocracy. He may be doing things wrong, but he has accomplished having all of gameplay watching what he is doing, who else can accomplish that.

Gradea, dream big. Even if you never accomplish your goals the effort was good enough!

Anyone who can post a thread can get in gameplay's eyes - I see discussion around a random stupid idea a lot more opposed to something actually interesting.

Effort is pointless when it's directed at something which just shouldn't be happening.

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