RAIDERCON 2023: A NEW FRONTIER

[WolfMac]

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Any nomination must come with an detailed explanation or will be discounted.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

In that case, I'd like to nominate Savaer for the Hall of Fame;

-Starting as a soldier in TBOB, was one of two (the other being Gerzam) raiders to participate in the final push to refound Unknown;
-Became Reichmarshall of Unknown, then eventually Warlord, Archemperor and finally Angelus Curator;
-Ran somewhere in the vicinity of fifty major raids/occupations between 2009 and 2011;
-Organized or helped other Incognitan officers organize successful hits against major historical defender regions including,
----Anticapitalist Alliance (31st July 2009, Unknown assisted by The Black Hawks and The Holy Dominion Confederation)
----Allied States of Euroislanders (29th December 2009, Unknown assisted by Avalon, Europeia, Jihad of Righteousness and The Holy Dominion Confederation, and 11th November 2010, Unknown assisted by The New Inquisition, Golden Dusk, and the Union)
----The Proletariat Coalition (17th September 2011, Unknown assisted by virtually every raider region in the game and no small number of defenders)
----New Sorvun, at the time an active member of the FRA (5th August 2009, Unknown assisted by The Black Hawks, The Commonwealth, Black Water, The Kingdom of Middle Earth and New Folsom) (founder was on holiday, toppest of keks were had),
-Organized multiple major successful intelligence operations in the FRA and FRA member states (although frankly, the FRA had more victories in that theatre in that particular time frame- goddamnit Numero),
-Had brief stints running the armed forces of regions such as Europeia, the New Britannian Empire and The Holy Dominion Confederation.

[North East Somerset]

There is always a risk with these sort of distant retrospective judgments. Partly exacerbated by the fact that a lot of the Judges don't cover the entire era. They are therefore reliant on sources, often significantly biased ones, for information on the earlier era to mix with their first hand knowledge of the later era. Thus to some extent you are comparing apples and oranges. There is thus always a temptation to look at earlier eras through "rose-tinted glasses". Hopefully it will be balanced out, but I am not going to be considering anyone who pre-dates my involvement in R/D.

[RiderSyl]

What you're describing is called "nostalgia", NES. It's par for the course in anything having to do with a Hall of Fame, or really, any award that has to do with "lifetime achievement".

There's no way to make a perfectly unbiased HoF.

[Apple-Loosa]

What you're describing is called "nostalgia", NES. It's par for the course in anything having to do with a Hall of Fame, or really, any award that has to do with "lifetime achievement".

There's no way to make a perfectly unbiased HoF.

Couldn't it just be graded upon the number of raids they've done? Then it's more simplistic...

[Blackbird]

There is always a risk with these sort of distant retrospective judgments. Partly exacerbated by the fact that a lot of the Judges don't cover the entire era. They are therefore reliant on sources, often significantly biased ones, for information on the earlier era to mix with their first hand knowledge of the later era. Thus to some extent you are comparing apples and oranges. There is thus always a temptation to look at earlier eras through "rose-tinted glasses". Hopefully it will be balanced out, but I am not going to be considering anyone who pre-dates my involvement in R/D.

No one from the Atlantic Central Command / Atlantic Alliance. Pffff.

[North East Somerset]

What you're describing is called "nostalgia", NES. It's par for the course in anything having to do with a Hall of Fame, or really, any award that has to do with "lifetime achievement".

There's no way to make a perfectly unbiased HoF.

Couldn't it just be graded upon the number of raids they've done? Then it's more simplistic...

Nostalgia is usually a sentimental affection for an earlier period in ones own past, rather than in the period before it, but yes, the same proviso's apply, we will have to try and avoid showing a bias to that in the Judgements.

As for grading it on the number of raids they've done - absolutely not. I'd rate a raider who played a pivotal strategical role above someone who was involved in 500 raids, or someone who organised and executed a dozen extremely important raids above 500 tag raids, or indeed the people who developed tag raiding above those who just did a lot of it. Raiding isn't about monotony or repetition, it's about developing strategies that are successful, thinking on your feet, organising people to work with you, etc.

I'll be looking for people who had an Impact and are Famous for it, not just workhorses, although obviously contribution by time committed won't detract from their chances.

[We Are Not the NSA]

What you're describing is called "nostalgia", NES. It's par for the course in anything having to do with a Hall of Fame, or really, any award that has to do with "lifetime achievement".

There's no way to make a perfectly unbiased HoF.

Couldn't it just be graded upon the number of raids they've done? Then it's more simplistic...

Number of raids doesn't really correlate to the amount of impact on R/D. Take Wulfenite for example. He doesn't tag raid, but he is one of the best infiltrators in the game, and contributed to several large invasions.

[Apple-Loosa]

Couldn't it just be graded upon the number of raids they've done? Then it's more simplistic...

Number of raids doesn't really correlate to the amount of impact on R/D. Take Wulfenite for example. He doesn't tag raid, but he is one of the best infiltrators in the game, and contributed to several large invasions.

Well, maybe you could have classifications, or awards for specific areas?

[WolfMac]

There is always a risk with these sort of distant retrospective judgments. Partly exacerbated by the fact that a lot of the Judges don't cover the entire era. They are therefore reliant on sources, often significantly biased ones, for information on the earlier era to mix with their first hand knowledge of the later era. Thus to some extent you are comparing apples and oranges. There is thus always a temptation to look at earlier eras through "rose-tinted glasses". Hopefully it will be balanced out, but I am not going to be considering anyone who pre-dates my involvement in R/D.

I'm not saying you're wrong for taking this approach, and I somewhat agree with what you're saying, but I will point out that if all judges took this approach that would mean we couldn't consider anyone who was raiding prior to 2014, when the judge who most recently joined NationStates started playing.

I do think we should avoid going so far back that actual, unbiased source material can't be found, but I think we should also avoid ignoring the past in favor of the immediate present. Too often in NationStates these kinds of things are judged by what's happening right now rather than taking into account any history, and they become not so much reflective of real, lasting contribution but just whoever is well-known at the time of judging. I would hate to see that happen here.

[Zaolat]

Nominations:
1. Coraxion:
- Has raided many updates (2/day usually)
-never lets anyone down with raiding, even raids when sick, drunk or computer tries to f*** around.
-Has invented multiple new systems to do while tag raiding.
-Always great ideas as raider.
-Happy mostly of the time

2. Myself, WraithFIN:
-Glorious one.
-Evil.
-Everyone "loves" Wraith.
-No more reasons unless judges do 'em

Self-nominations are usually considered unprofessional and in bad taste.

No one cares.

[Jakker]

There is always a risk with these sort of distant retrospective judgments. Partly exacerbated by the fact that a lot of the Judges don't cover the entire era. They are therefore reliant on sources, often significantly biased ones, for information on the earlier era to mix with their first hand knowledge of the later era. Thus to some extent you are comparing apples and oranges. There is thus always a temptation to look at earlier eras through "rose-tinted glasses". Hopefully it will be balanced out, but I am not going to be considering anyone who pre-dates my involvement in R/D.

I'm not saying you're wrong for taking this approach, and I somewhat agree with what you're saying, but I will point out that if all judges took this approach that would mean we couldn't consider anyone who was raiding prior to 2014, when the judge who most recently joined NationStates started playing.

I do think we should avoid going so far back that actual, unbiased source material can't be found, but I think we should also avoid ignoring the past in favor of the immediate present. Too often in NationStates these kinds of things are judged by what's happening right now rather than taking into account any history, and they become not so much reflective of real, lasting contribution but just whoever is well-known at the time of judging. I would hate to see that happen here.

The judges shouldn't feel pressured to vote as many ol timers as they can. I am aware that some judges are fairly new. The intention was to get various perspectives from different spheres and ages. The judges will change year to year, so if there are any potential players that are worthy of being inducted, but this year's judges do not consider or vote for them, there is always next year when other judges who may have a better understanding of a certain candidate will be in place. This is the first year, so one cannot expect everyone possibly deserving of being inducted to be so. The system isn't going to please everyone and I get that, but I think it is functionally sound.

[WolfMac]

The judges shouldn't feel pressured to vote as many ol timers as they can. I am aware that some judges are fairly new. The intention was to get various perspectives from different spheres and ages. The judges will change year to year, so if there are any potential players that are worthy of being inducted, but this year's judges do not consider or vote for them, there is always next year when other judges who may have a better understanding of a certain candidate will be in place. This is the first year, so one cannot expect everyone possibly deserving of being inducted to be so. The system isn't going to please everyone and I get that, but I think it is functionally sound.

I agree, it's a much better system than a voting free for all. I'm just discussing candidates and how best to judge, but the system is definitely a good one.

[Moly]

I'll be popping by

[Marselesk]

The Raid continues: landing a punch!

After a good and speedy battle between the stars, the crew of the first class lite destroyer Roach decided to turn to the LN-281 solar system and look for a planet capable of providing them with a slight thrill and a light snack. Sergeant Festavo logged the coordinates into their navigational computer and entered hyper-space. After a short period of time, the BHS Roach had reached the gravitational field of a small desert planet within the LN-281 solar system. The planet seemed to have several settlements across it's territory, and was sure to provide at least a minor challenge for the crew.

The BHS Roach landing on a remote backwater planet

Upon landing on the planet, the crew noted that that the levels of gas in the atmosphere were proportional to that of their homeworld and proceeded to exist their vessel in a quick fashion. They took a few minutes to enjoy stretching, after being seated for a very long amount of time, and then flipped a coin on what method of transportation they'd use for this raid. Before the coin could fall on the ground and reveal the results, Marselesk kicked it up and then caught it.

"Let's just run, i'm aching for some old fashioned smack-em-up fighting!" said Marselesk as he was meddling with the coin

"Hell no, i'm not going to run across this damn desert for hours, especially since i brought my new speed-crawler." contested Festavo, while reaching out his hand to Marselesk as if waiting for something

"Bah, you're no fun. Fine, flip your stupid coin."

Marselesk gave back the coin to Festavo, and he threw it into the air for a second time. The coin fell right in front of him, and this time managed to hit the ground, leaving the face of the coin open for them to see.

"It's settled then, we're using my speed-crawler." said a slightly smirking Festavo

Festavo rolled up his right sleeve a bit, activating his holo-watch, and clicked a few buttons. Immediately after that, a side-door on the lower part of the BHS Roach opened and the speed-crawler creeped out of the opening. The crew boarded the speed-crawler and within seconds were hundreds of meters away from their space vessel. In the following couple hours they would make quick stops at every settlement they came across and thoroughly terrorized the population, all the while planting RaiderCon banners and throwing out advertisement papers around. Upon closing up on bingo fuel, the crew turned their vehicle around and went full speed back to their vessel, and enjoyed a cooling breeze after a day's hard work.

Graphics depictions of the battles

Hits: 15
Doom Metal
Kingdom Hearts
League of Assassins
Legion Of Doom
Mir
Seas of Three
THAT area of the world
The Alliance
The Great Abbaddon
The hidden coast
The Last Frontier
The Little Entente
The lynx enclave
The Parachute Regiment
The Pirates

Delegates hit: 1

The Pirates 1 endorsements 15 days

[Cora II]

@Kleo: You forgot include two hits to the report (June 22nd UTC, Minor update):

http://www.nationstates.net/region=unit ... of_nations
http://www.nationstates.net/region=nort ... l_alliance

Otherwise Cool!

[Mikeswill]

I have a feeling that I will be involved in one form or another.
There were Raiders back in 2004 that most of the forum players have never heard of such as Winky Woo and Mississippi Rio.
We shall see how this plays out.

Kisses

[Trick Shot]

I have a feeling that I will be involved in one form or another.
There were Raiders back in 2004 that most of the forum players have never heard of such as Winky Woo and Mississippi Rio.
We shall see how this plays out.

Kisses

Damn I like that latter name...

[Jakker]

One week until RaiderCon begins!!

Program for the event will be announced later this week.

Keep on nominating players for the Raider Hall of Fame.

RaiderCon. Be there.

[The Stalker]

I'm a little late to this thing, but RaiderCon looks pretty cool, surprised it hasn't been done sooner. I'd like to 2nd the nominations of Jakker and Evil Wolf, for reasons already provided in prior posts.

Also i'd like to unofficially nominate Ever-Wandering Souls, I don't have enough info to do a proper nomination for them, but they've always seemed to be a fairly classy raider, and I tend to hold that as the most important quality a real raider can have. Also pretty sure I saw them lead / oversee one of this years large raids, can't recall which or if i'm just mistaken.

Edit: It was the South Pacific! (If this is enough info, consider it an official nomination)

[We Are Not the NSA]

I'm a little late to this thing, but RaiderCon looks pretty cool, surprised it hasn't been done sooner. I'd like to 2nd the nominations of Jakker and Evil Wolf, for reasons already provided in prior posts.

Also i'd like to unofficially nominate Ever-Wandering Souls, I don't have enough info to do a proper nomination for them, but they've always seemed to be a fairly classy raider, and I tend to hold that as the most important quality a real raider can have. Also pretty sure I saw them lead / oversee one of this years large raids, can't recall which or if i'm just mistaken.

Edit: It was the South Pacific! (If this is enough info, consider it an official nomination)

I'll second this, and add for their:
-resistance to Milo's coup in the South Pacific
-work in the Eternal Knights, Brotherhood of Malice, and Sicarius
-assistance in refounding Tofuline
-infiltration of Islam (not refounding though)
-work in The Black Hawks
-leading the raid on South Pacific
-participation in the deseating of NewTexas
-positive attitude, and generally kind personality
-fun additions to raids, such as roleplay of the events that transpired in Ixnay

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I'm not at all worthy honored, guys.

In other news, Official Update coming soon!

[Valrifell]

I want a recommendation, doesn't have to be serious.

Anyone? Anyone?! ;-;

[Shadoke]

For what I have planned this year, I'll expect a nomination next Raidercon .

[Trick Shot]

I want a recommendation, doesn't have to be serious.

Anyone? Anyone?! ;-;

Our time will come..