Balder - State Opening of 19th Storting

[Lenlyvit]

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[United States of Vietnam]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... DBX25RKgQA

Here are the data on who participated in every Lazarus siege attempt. No RRA and just one TGW member who jumped for only once.

Ctrl+F region=lazarus to search

[Farengeto]

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Just want to jump in and say thank you for that post. After the past couple weeks I really needed it. I can't say what it is or why, it was just perfect. I haven't laughed this hard all year.

[Erinor]

TRR (and TSP) have made it very clear that they seek nothing more or less than our eradication.

Dang! I knew I was I getting left out of the loop, these days! Actually, I probably just missed the memo.

Checks secret TSP/TRR cabal channels.

Oh, sure enough, there it is:

• Party;
• Have fun together;
• Eradicate Balder;
• Drink SPIT.

[Tupelope]

trash defends trash

“Tolerant and accepting.”

i have never once nor will i ever claim to be tolerant nor accepting so dont put words into my mouth boy

[Unibot III]

TRR (and TSP) have made it very clear that they seek nothing more or less than our eradication, following Balder crushing their attempt to take control of Lazarus by deploying over 30 military units to reinforce the Delegacy, when the endogap fell under 50. We stuck our necks out, knowingly, doing what we did in Lazarus - and of course, we'd do it again. Some globalist defenders may feel most aggrieved they have lost a historic puppet of their cause, and even may lay some of the blame at Balder for this - and we accept that. But ultimately its been in the hands of TRR and TSP how they want to react to this going forwards. It seems they have chosen their path, for they have professed us to be perfidious. So be it.

The snipes and deliberate misrepresentation of our position and policies in their State newspaper, the Rejected Times, are seemingly representative of the ill-feeling directed to us from them, especially since those events late last year - and in the circumstances Balder's government has evidently concluded there is no point bothering to maintain in-game relations with such thinly veiled disdain as portrayed here.

As for Cormac's post - firstly welcome back - and I hope your post has it's desired effects to prove your value to - and buy the favour you seem to desire, with the defender establishment. Anyway, unfortunately in terms of the actual content of your post, your entire argument is a a bit of straw man. We didn't cut relations because of polling based on what is clearly an unrepresentative polling sample of "perceptions" - that is just incidental, and that was made clear in the context of the statement. We referenced the articles - written by TRR's Media Officer because they "contain multiple derogatory characterisations of Balder and our approach towards our fellow sinkers" - which are indicative of the critical lack of respect and even outright disdain for Balder.

Even if the initial polling was unfavourable, the kind of comments TRR's Media Officer made went well beyond analysis of the polling numbers, eg. "Their problem isn't so much their portfolio but a longstanding reputation filled to the brim with betrayal and cattiness". The most relevant "betrayal" referenced presumably being that of the recent Lazarus situation, supporting my earlier thesis about the nature and basis of present prevailing defender opinion.

50 people vote in an open survey, Balder and Lazarus bomb it, and you're mad at the Rejected Times for not sugar-coating it for you?

Balder regularly claims to be the most active and successful sinker region, it's clear that people in Gameplay aren't buying their hype.

[Feux]

TRR (and TSP) have made it very clear that they seek nothing more or less than our eradication, following Balder crushing their attempt to take control of Lazarus by deploying over 30 military units to reinforce the Delegacy, when the endogap fell under 50. We stuck our necks out, knowingly, doing what we did in Lazarus - and of course, we'd do it again. Some globalist defenders may feel most aggrieved they have lost a historic puppet of their cause, and even may lay some of the blame at Balder for this - and we accept that. But ultimately its been in the hands of TRR and TSP how they want to react to this going forwards. It seems they have chosen their path, for they have professed us to be perfidious. So be it.

The snipes and deliberate misrepresentation of our position and policies in their State newspaper, the Rejected Times, are seemingly representative of the ill-feeling directed to us from them, especially since those events late last year - and in the circumstances Balder's government has evidently concluded there is no point bothering to maintain in-game relations with such thinly veiled disdain as portrayed here.

As for Cormac's post - firstly welcome back - and I hope your post has it's desired effects to prove your value to - and buy the favour you seem to desire, with the defender establishment. Anyway, unfortunately in terms of the actual content of your post, your entire argument is a a bit of straw man. We didn't cut relations because of polling based on what is clearly an unrepresentative polling sample of "perceptions" - that is just incidental, and that was made clear in the context of the statement. We referenced the articles - written by TRR's Media Officer because they "contain multiple derogatory characterisations of Balder and our approach towards our fellow sinkers" - which are indicative of the critical lack of respect and even outright disdain for Balder.

Even if the initial polling was unfavourable, the kind of comments TRR's Media Officer made went well beyond analysis of the polling numbers, eg. "Their problem isn't so much their portfolio but a longstanding reputation filled to the brim with betrayal and cattiness". The most relevant "betrayal" referenced presumably being that of the recent Lazarus situation, supporting my earlier thesis about the nature and basis of present prevailing defender opinion.

50 people vote in an open survey, Balder and Lazarus bomb it, and you're mad at the Rejected Times for not sugar-coating it for you?

Balder regularly claims to be the most active and successful sinker region, it's clear that people in Gameplay aren't buying their hype.

It was an open survey?

[Killer Kitty]

50 people vote in an open survey, Balder and Lazarus bomb it, and you're mad at the Rejected Times for not sugar-coating it for you?

And what part of the "open" polling suggested that TRT should write a swooning fanboy fanfic piece all but begging for the return of the "good old days" of Lazarus being an NPO-run defender dictatorship?

Did I miss a polling question somewhere?

[Catalyse]

It was an open survey?

If I'm not mistaken, it was posted in the TRT thread and was open for anyone to vote in.

[Tim-Opolis]

It's really sad to see Balder trying to cling to relevance by insulting better regions than theirs.

If you put as much time actually investing in your region as you did whinging about everybody else, you might even start seeing some of your own success.

[Pergamon]

I've been voted worst Pacific and haven't cut relations.

It really isn't relevant what NSGP thinks about a GCR.

[North East Somerset]

It was an open survey?

If I'm not mistaken, it was posted in the TRT thread and was open for anyone to vote in.

I think I made it perfectly clear that Balder's focus is on the editorial content, in the context of our relations with TRR, not the conducting of a poll - whether it be biased or representative - and indeed as I'm sure you know polls run by newspapers which are filled out by their audience, are very rarely the latter.

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised to see Unibot quoting a post where I point out that any discussion of the results of the polling is a straw man argument, and then he focuses in specifically on that point.

However, that doesn't mean people need to carry on that irrelevant issue about the nature or results of the survey. Indeed, as Pergamon says, we couldn't care less what the average reader of The Rejected Times think - and that wasn't a factor in this decision.

[RiderSyl]

If you put as much time actually investing in your region as you did whinging about everybody else, you might even start seeing some of your own success.

The hypocrisy of this post

[Glacikaldr]

Take care Balder. I'm sorry for the damages. Hopefully we can restore relations in the future.

[Vulturret]

Take care Balder. I'm sorry for the damages. Hopefully we can restore relations in the future.

Same, was sad to see the relations go.

[The Church of Satan]

To be honest I feel it would have been better to talk things through rather than jump to conclusions but if Balder wishes to go that route then oh well. I'm sure sometime in the future things may improve between our two regions and I sincerely hope they do.

[Farengeto]

However, that doesn't mean people need to carry on that irrelevant issue about the nature or results of the survey. Indeed, as Pergamon says, we couldn't care less what the average reader of The Rejected Times think - and that wasn't a factor in this decision.

This antipathy is apparent in not just one but two articles: "Ranking the GCRs: Feeders Resurgent", based on polling filled out mainly by individuals who already sympathise with TRR’s stance, and the comical misrepresentation of our welcome dispatch in "What Keeps Sinkerism Floating?".

And yet the statement indicates otherwise.

[Tim-Opolis]

If you put as much time actually investing in your region as you did whinging about everybody else, you might even start seeing some of your own success.

The hypocrisy of this post

Care to elaborate, or are you going to do what you did last time and run away when called out?

[RiderSyl]

Care to elaborate, or are you going to do what you did last time and run away when called out?

Oooh. Using that to take a shot at me? Okay, Tim. Thank you for removing any doubt in my mind that "running away" from you "calling me out" was the right move.

Now that we've taken that little detour, ya, I think I'll elaborate.

You're the one that owns the label of being a shitposter. Or at least you owned it before, I don't know about now. Your positions change so much these days. You had shitposting down to an art, or down to a science, or whatever that dumb quote was. Your reputation is built on "whinging about everybody else", then sitting back and waiting for people to return the favor so you can say "lol salty".

Coming into this thread and speaking against that sort of behavior? It's like if Souls came into a thread and spoke against acting like you're policing people. Right or not, come the fuck on

[Cormactopia Prime]

As for Cormac's post - firstly welcome back - and I hope your post has it's desired effects to prove your value to - and buy the favour you seem to desire, with the defender establishment.

This was hilarious, just for the record. I couldn't buy their favor with actual cash at this point.

I commented because when you're wrong, you're wrong, and I hoped maybe my comment would prompt someone in the Sinkers to actually do some soul-searching about why the Sinkers are in such a state at the moment. Unsurprisingly, that was apparently too much to hope. Ah well.

You had shitposting down to an art, or down to a science, or whatever that dumb quote was.

This was actually my quote. I said the Grey Wardens have shitposting down to an art, where I have it more down to a science, or something to that effect. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, to be honest...

[Glacikaldr]

You had shitposting down to an art, or down to a science, or whatever that dumb quote was.

This was actually my quote. I said the Grey Wardens have shitposting down to an art, where I have it more down to a science, or something to that effect. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, to be honest...

At the very least there's consensus that this diplomatic action by Balder was a shitpost.

[Unibot III]

50 people vote in an open survey, Balder and Lazarus bomb it, and you're mad at the Rejected Times for not sugar-coating it for you?

And what part of the "open" polling suggested that TRT should write a swooning fanboy fanfic piece all but begging for the return of the "good old days" of Lazarus being an NPO-run defender dictatorship?

Did I miss a polling question somewhere?

Well if that's not direct enough for you, perhaps the Rejected Times should run a open survey asking people whether they'd prefer the PRL over UDoL?

I don't think you'd be any more enthused about the results of that survey either.

[Killer Kitty]

Well if that's not direct enough for you, perhaps the Rejected Times should run a open survey asking people whether they'd prefer the PRL over UDoL?

I don't think you'd be any more enthused about the results of that survey either.

Sure, I wouldn't mind, especially since the Government of Lazarus hasn't been the Undead Dominon of Lazarus for nearly a month now, a fact the hard hitting reporters at TRT missed in their rush to slam us.

But I'm not sure that's the message you want to send anyway, Unibot. Nothing says "TRR supports democracy" like a poll attempting to glorify the PRL dictatorship while at the same time screaming about how horrible Lazarus is these days.

[Solorni]

Amusingly, when TRR people were repudiating Unibot to me I did not even realize he was here defending them. On a bit of a broader note, I think it's important to note two things:

1. Balder is a very regional/offsite type of place.
2. Balder (and all the sinkers) are limited by the fact that sinkers have less resources than feeders and UCRs of a certain size.

So on any poll that is posted on these forums, Balder will be disadvantaged because our users spend time on our platforms and not on these ones. This is especially similar for our allies like Europeia. In both cases, it's a very tiny amount of people who are active on both. We saw this with the NSWF when it came to Europeia, while people like Codger were shocked that Europeia had won... it was really no surprise. When these regions whose members really only spend time on their own platforms vote, it makes a big difference to the outcomes.

Secondly, it is my firm belief that Balder's structure has allowed us to be both the most active sinker over the long term & the most stable as well. When compared to TRR for example, our forums have averaged over double the posts that they have. Activity does go in cycles and our periods of low activity are higher than their periods of low activity, while our periods of high activity are much higher than theirs. It's easy to forget that when Balder first started, their forums were much larger than ours. But now it's in reverse. There is an argument to be made that TRR's unique game structure gives them less resources than Balder, Osiris & Lazarus. This would be similar to how TRR has by far the lowest endorsement %. These physical differences matter.

I would probably say that structurally what holds Balder back tends to be things like not having a popular vote for the Statsminister. The whole system of electing the Statsminister from the legislature I think is inferior in both popularity and focus. It also is useful to note that Balder's system is more democratic than TRR's to begin with. Our government is regularly elected whereas they operate by a challenge system. As noted in the discussions in Europeia on challenge systems, they do not work like their proponents tend to say they do. It's a type of system that features irregular elections.

Balder has always been guided by Locke's principles and has built up a region similar to the Scandinavian and British countries. Cormac's criticisms here, which in essence would be like saying that Norway is held back because of Harald V of Norway or Sweden because of Carl XVI Gustaf is bizarre. When judging the merits of their systems, you have to look at how their parliaments are set up , structure of their bureaucracies and policies by their governments. It is nonsensical to do otherwise. In effect, I would greatly welcome a discussion based on facts and the intricacies of the system.

[Tupelope]

lol who cares about forum post numbers and shit when everything happens on discord now bro besides votes. just admit it was all a publicity stunt for ur dead region cuz this is the most attention yallve got in awhile