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Postby Solorni » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:11 pm

Canton Empire wrote:
Solorni wrote:I like how there is so much TSP drama that our embassy has become about TSP drama lol

Through no fault of your own, I'm sure.

Most of the drama in The South Pacific revolves around the level of animosity its users frequently hurl at each other as well as the conduct of the administrators. Like if you think I am critical of them; you should see how they talk to each other. A large part of the problem are the people they have holding these positions. People like Glen-Rhodes simply are not fit to be an administrator given their conduct towards other users and the frequent abuse of his position. You would think that people in TSP would demand better of their administrators, but he has enablers like Escade and others who frequently supports him. In fact, if you read the TSP threads you begin to a see a trend in terms of people and factions. It is always the same group of people who support and enable Glen-Rhodes and his agenda.

There are other fascinating arguments that are fairly unique to The South Pacific. Glen-Rhodes and his clique will dismiss any effort at establishing accountability as a tool that will only be used to pursue personal grudges. It is quite astonishing really, I have not heard such an argument in other regions. But it sure is useful when you are the one who people want to hold accountable and when you have done your job with many flaws. It's not a very democratic argument, that is certain and reminds me of efforts in countries like Brazil & Italy to keep politicians out of jail for crimes they committed.
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:23 am

Actually, TSP has been relatively calm and drama free ever since the foreign interloper and the coup holdover were finally shut down (in consequence of their own behavior, even).

Your knowledge of TSP is pretty much stuck in 2014. Newsflash, Rach: I haven't led TSP's agenda for several terms now. You'll want to obsess about Roavin, now ;)

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Postby Big Bad Badger » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:40 am

Yeah Glen things get quiet when you bully dissent into silence.

From my experiences and investigations, Rach's assessment is dead on!
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:08 am

Big Bad Badger wrote:Yeah Glen things get quiet when you bully dissent into silence.

From my experiences and investigations, Rach's assessment is dead on!


Matches what I've heard as recently as yesterday from a handful of people far more involved and invested there I've certainly ever been.
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:07 am

Big Bad Badger wrote:Yeah Glen things get quiet when you bully dissent into silence.


It's funny people say things like this, especially non-TSPers, while themselves guilty of it. But let's talk about Cormac, not you or Rach.

Cormac ragequit TSP because people (including myself, but far from just myself) criticized his new moderation policies, particularly because he was the source of quite a bit of TSP's drama and fighting, but now wanted to hand out punishments to people for fighting. Cormac routinely called me personally corrupt, a liar, powerhungry, and untrustworthy as a person. Since you seem so well versed in TSP's history, you probably already know what my criticism of him was: that his moderation policy was bad, and that he had done a 180 on Empire and Belschaft's unauthorized "intel gathering" and was on a witch hunt to remove CRS members as a result.

Was the drama intense and fiery? Yes, about as fiery as any other NS political drama. Did I ever get personal in my criticism of Cormac? No. Did he, and numerous others outside of TSP, get very personal in their commentary about me? Absolutely. I've been the target of so much uncalled for vitriol, as a person and not just a player, throughout my near decade playing this game, from Antarctic Osiris's 40-page private insult thread on their forums back when I was a GA regular, to today's generation of Gameplayer bros who don't know how to keep thing within the four corners of the game. I find that some people, when confronted with a tough political opponent, resort to personal attacks because they aren't up to the match. If I pass personal judgement on somebody, outside of the game, it's because they've done something out of the game to genuinely deserve it, rather than me translating my IC rage into OOC vitriol.

So I don't need some irrelevant player from TWP, who has never had a conversation with me in the past decade, to sit there and pass judgement. You're not in my community. What you or Rach says is completely inconsequential political rabble.

Cormac was pushed out of TSP by the majority of TSPers, because of his behavior in the last weeks of his term as Chair. (A position he only got, by the way, because he pestered me out of it with his witch hunt.) There was a huge sigh of relief when he quit among a lot of TSPers, even those who always disagree with each other.

So if that's the farewell somebody gets from a region, maybe, just maybe they were the problem.

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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:15 am

Glen-Rhodes wrote:<snip>

It's convenient to use me as your foil, but let's talk about all the other people you and your political allies have chased out of TSP over the years. I doubt I can even name them all, but I can certainly name a few: Brutland and Norden, Hileville, HEM, Sopo, and most recently Imki. Let's also talk about the awful way you treat players who disagree with you, including your treatment of Kris and Farengeto, formerly your own political allies, as well as your treatment of Belschaft, Southern Bellz, Drall, Yuno, and I'm not even sure who else to name, but I know there are plenty of other names to add to the list.

When one person has problems with this many people, maybe, just maybe, that person is the problem.

Apologies to Balder for the digression, but when I'm singled out for ridicule in a conversation I'm not even involved in, I'm going to respond.
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Postby Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:33 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:When one person has problems with this many people, maybe, just maybe, that person is the problem.

This seems to be true of quite a few NSGP regulars. Whether it's that the most argumentative people are attracted to this part of the game, or that GP makes people more angry and argumentative, I don't know (probably a bit of both).
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Postby Farengeto » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:43 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Glen-Rhodes wrote:<snip>

It's convenient to use me as your foil, but let's talk about all the other people you and your political allies have chased out of TSP over the years. I doubt I can even name them all, but I can certainly name a few: Brutland and Norden, Hileville, HEM, Sopo, and most recently Imki. Let's also talk about the awful way you treat players who disagree with you, including your treatment of Kris and Farengeto, formerly your own political allies, as well as your treatment of Belschaft, Southern Bellz, Drall, Yuno, and I'm not even sure who else to name, but I know there are plenty of other names to add to the list.

B&N left the region after feeling he should be exempted from the Citizenship requirements of the time.
Hileville left because he couped.
HEM I don't know much about.
Sopo left because he backed Hile's coup.
Imki left after the Discord moderation team - which does not include Glen - revoked her chat moderator mask for behaviour.

I can't say for Kris but you seem to be quite overstating my opinion of Glen. We disagree but he's hardly out to get me.

Bel I can somewhat agree with you, but there's been some questionable actions on both sides there.

The other three I don't really have anything to say.

The fact your go to list of people Glen has "chased out" includes several people who couped the region, or felt entitled to exemptions says a lot here.

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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:47 am

Farengeto wrote:The fact your go to list of people Glen has "chased out" includes several people who couped the region, or felt entitled to exemptions says a lot here.

They couped the region because Glen drove them to do that, as did all of his enablers who make excuses for his behavior and write it off as someone else's fault -- just as you are doing in your post. TSP has a Glen problem and it has for years, and nothing is going to improve until that's acknowledged.

You are, of course, understating your own issues with Glen, unless your opinion has significantly changed since you used to PM me about his behavior. You were, in fact, among the several people who encouraged the moderation policies I enacted, which he now says "the majority" of TSPers opposed.
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Postby Imkitopia » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:22 am

Farengeto wrote:Imki left after the Discord moderation team - which does not include Glen - revoked her chat moderator mask for behaviour

I'm still very much an active legislator, I haven't revoked my citizenship and have been voting. Also I resigned as a Discord mod for a number of reasons. Faren doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:39 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:When one person has problems with this many people, maybe, just maybe, that person is the problem.


For every Rach or Cormac, there's about 10 other people who have no problem with me. You were among those people just a few months ago, after all, then did your 180 the moment my CRS report said something bad about Osiris. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Postby Belschaft » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:37 pm

For the record, whilst I disagree with Glen on numerous issues it's rarely been "personal" - it's largely about politics and ideology. I don't even have much of a problem with that these days, as he's no longer actively facilitating blatant subversion of TSP for his own ends.
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Postby Roavin » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:46 pm

Belschaft wrote:For the record, whilst I disagree with Glen on numerous issues it's rarely been "personal" - it's largely about politics and ideology. I don't even have much of a problem with that these days, as he's no longer actively facilitating blatant subversion of TSP for his own ends.


inb4 "that's Roavin's job now" :P
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Postby Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:49 pm

Belschaft wrote:For the record, whilst I disagree with Glen on numerous issues it's rarely been "personal" - it's largely about politics and ideology. I don't even have much of a problem with that these days, as he's no longer actively facilitating blatant subversion of TSP for his own ends.

That's Roavin's job now.
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Postby Escade » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:52 pm

What's really funny is the people posting who either have personal issues with a player (that they have displayed in numerous ways on Discord or here) that cross the personal\political divide AND\OR

are no angels themselves and can be quite rude and downright petty AND\OR

have stated intent and taken actions to harm TSP or its people AND\OR

are using their issues with a player to cast stones at a region which seems to not really find NSGP to be relevant to the region AND\OR

will justify any bad behavior as long as it's done by their side.
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Postby Zander Cerebella » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:30 pm

Well this page of discussion was allowed more oxygen than it had any right to have.
I ask nicely that people withhold from discussing any internal drama surrounding TSP and other players and their relations to TSP or the people within(past and present) as this is not TSP's embassy nor does it have any relation to Balder's support for the Undead Dominion of Lazarus, which is the topic at hand, anymore. Please return to the topic at hand or cease commenting until a new topic is posted.
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Postby Canton Empire » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:28 am

So is Glen subverting TSP or Roavin? Or maybe it was TGW? So many conspiracies, so little time...
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Postby Escade » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:26 am

Zander Cerebella wrote:Well this page of discussion was allowed more oxygen than it had any right to have.
I ask nicely that people withhold from discussing any internal drama surrounding TSP and other players and their relations to TSP or the people within(past and present) as this is not TSP's embassy nor does it have any relation to Balder's support for the Undead Dominion of Lazarus, which is the topic at hand, anymore. Please return to the topic at hand or cease commenting until a new topic is posted.
Cheers.


You know this post seems reasonable. Too bad, Solorni is back in the TSP Embassy thread bringing her irrelevant issues back there again. See I would prefer to have nothing to do with Balder and its inhabitants because frankly all I see from them in the TSP Embassy thread is petty petty lame lame and more of the same.

Seems though Balder can't stop talking about us whether in their own embassy or ours. The same argument that is then repeated by the same people, with far too much time on their hands, across NSGP and Discord.

Seems like if you spent this much time on building your region you might have something else to talk about. Something productive. What is Balder's regional affairs like? Does anything happen? Is it vaguely interesting? Or is it also another place to spew venom?

Seems like the people of Balder don't realize that the imperialist behavior in trying to tell other regions how to run themselves internally is not only needed in TSP but we absolutely couldn't care less.

One can only hope that all cycles - especially toxic ones - come to an end.
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Postby Onderkelkia » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:39 am

Escade wrote:Too bad, Solorni is back in the TSP Embassy thread bringing her irrelevant issues back there again.

As opposed to Balder's embassy thread, TSP's embassy thread would actually seem to be the relevant place for commentary about TSP.

Escade wrote:Seems though Balder can't stop talking about us whether in their own embassy or ours. The same argument that is then repeated by the same people, with far too much time on their hands, across NSGP and Discord.

If you care to read back, you will see that the present discussion regarding TSP in this thread was initiated by TSP Prime Minister Roavin's post here.

Escade wrote:Seems like if you spent this much time on building your region you might have something else to talk about.

With the exception of Solorni's reply to Canton Empire at the top of the page, every post about TSP on this 19th page of our embassy thread has been made by a person who is not a citizen of Balder. As such, I hardly think you can argue that Balder citizens are spending their time arguing about TSP.

Your post consists of nothing more than incoherent and bitter remarks directed towards Balder.
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Postby Escade » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:59 am

Onderkelkia wrote:Your post consists of nothing more than incoherent and bitter remarks directed towards Balder.


Well, well, well...and imagine a TSP embassy thread (old and new) with over two years worth of posts from certain players that are really really bitter and repeat the same petty and lame sentiments over and over and over again.

It worries me actually because I think, "What is keeping this person from like moving on or focusing on themselves and their own struggles and idk doing something productive for their region?"

Like seriously confuzzled here (I mean Balder does have a Viking theme\Norse mythology that has so much potential) and hope things get better :thumbs up:
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Postby Onderkelkia » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:05 am

Escade wrote:
Onderkelkia wrote:Your post consists of nothing more than incoherent and bitter remarks directed towards Balder.


Well, well, well...and imagine a TSP embassy thread (old and new) with over two years worth of posts from certain players that are really really bitter and repeat the same petty and lame sentiments over and over and over again.

I doubt that is a remotely accurate characterisation.

In any case, if you take issue with posts in TSP's embassy thread, then I suggest you raise those issues in that thread with the player/s who made them.

Escade wrote:It worries me actually because I think, "What is keeping this person from like moving on or focusing on themselves and their own struggles and idk doing something productive for their region?"

Like seriously confuzzled here (I mean Balder does have a Viking theme\Norse mythology that has so much potential) and hope things get better :thumbs up:

You can rest assured that the Queen is more than capable of combining extensive contributions to Balder's community and culture with commentary on political affairs in the Gameplay forum. She has done so with great success for years.
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Postby Escade » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:11 am

Onderkelkia wrote:In any case, if you take issue with posts in TSP's embassy thread, then I suggest you raise those issues in that thread with the player/s who made them.


I actually agree. I think that if any player has an issue with another player they can do one of many things:
1. They should within civil means contact that player privately and try to work it out to a place where they both feel less sad. If this were me, I'd probably send a TG or DM and be like "Hey, if you're feeling comfortable wanted to talk to you about some stuff bothering me - tired of the hostility." Also not like do incriminations because that's not helpful.
2. Avoid the player as much as possible
3. Avoid the player and if needing to speak to or about them try to be neutral
4. Try not to let exasperations get to you although everyone gets one or two angtsy moments but not like 100
5. Do something enjoyable and fun whether like exploring a new RP community (Game of Thrones plug here) or like some other regional stuff because most of us play this game because we love our community\home region and want good things for it
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Postby Kylia Quilor » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:55 am

If you really think someone can't work on and in their region while making comments in GP, I have to wonder who is minding the fort in your office in TSP while you natter around here in GP, escade?
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Postby Escade » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:07 am

Kylia Quilor wrote:If you really think someone can't work on and in their region while making comments in GP, I have to wonder who is minding the fort in your office in TSP while you natter around here in GP, escade?



You seemed to miss the point, Kylia but then again you're proving my earlier point. Predictable and therefore boring....

As for who mans\womans or otherwise handles the FA Office when I'm addressing the Petty Squad?

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Postby Ikania » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:23 am

Escade wrote:Because I know how much NSGP loves GIFs >:)

We don't.
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