The Miniluv Messenger: TEP Liberated!

[Numero Capitan]

Thanks for the light you have shone on this situation over a long time Cormac

But let’s temper our criticism of those who are trying to find solutions and not distract from what the real issue is here.

[Devi]

But let’s temper our criticism of those who are trying to find solutions and not distract from what the real issue is here.

TIL straight-up abandoning treaty allies qualifies as a solution
If anyone's causing distractions, it's G-R admirably performing his role as TSP's MoFA.

[Kurnugia]

But let’s temper our criticism of those who are trying to find solutions and not distract from what the real issue is here.

TIL straight-up abandoning treaty allies qualifies as a solution
If anyone's causing distractions, it's G-R admirably performing his role as TSP's MoFA.

Tis is a tactical retreat!

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

But let’s temper our criticism of those who are trying to find solutions and not distract from what the real issue is here.

TIL straight-up abandoning treaty allies qualifies as a solution
If anyone's causing distractions, it's G-R admirably performing his role as TSP's MoFA.

Wait is Glen actually TSP's MoFA?

[New Rogernomics]

- >Marrabuk wins the election
->Delegate ejects Vizars and appoints own BC officers, all coupers including one that had publicly defended invalidating the election
->Delegate begins endotarting, despite this being the time when he should be campaigning to transition the delegacy to the delegate elect.

Certainly makes Fedele's position more untenable then.

[Wabbitslayah]

Thanks for the light you have shone on this situation over a long time Cormac

But let’s temper our criticism of those who are trying to find solutions and not distract from what the real issue is here.

Are you a defender or neutral?

[Drop Your Pants]

Thanks for the light you have shone on this situation over a long time Cormac

But let’s temper our criticism of those who are trying to find solutions and not distract from what the real issue is here.

Are you a defender or neutral?

He's recently put wheels on his armchair so is cranky fossil an option?

[Numero Capitan]

But let’s temper our criticism of those who are trying to find solutions and not distract from what the real issue is here.

TIL straight-up abandoning treaty allies qualifies as a solution
If anyone's causing distractions, it's G-R admirably performing his role as TSP's MoFA.

Well done for brilliantly missing the point you didn’t even hit the backboard with that one

The more attentive will know that TSPs new FA Minister takes office tomorrow

[Glen-Rhodes]

But let’s temper our criticism of those who are trying to find solutions and not distract from what the real issue is here.

TIL straight-up abandoning treaty allies qualifies as a solution
If anyone's causing distractions, it's G-R admirably performing his role as TSP's MoFA.

I’m not really MoFA anymore. But if it were up to me, TSP would have dissolved the alliance with TEP back in June when I saw this exact eventuality playing out. The only reason I didn’t pull that trigger is because it’s not a bilateral alliance, but a multilateral one. In any case, it wasn’t any secret that TSP was extremely displeased with TEP under Fedele over the past 4 months, so it shouldn’t come as an surprise that I personally don’t think there’s much to salvage here. Obviously my own government doesn’t see it that way, so best of luck in the joint mission to save TEP.

Regions always see the light when they’re in the middle of being couped. TEP didn’t take any actions to prevent this, despite being warned 4 months ago that Fedele was bringing in Rahl and they were undertaking classic preparations for a coup. What are we supposed to do when a region won’t help itself?

I know it’s not popular to blame regions for getting themselves couped, but TEP didn’t do itself any favors. And given their history of allowing coupers to stay and be reincorporated into the community, I have low expectations of whatever post-coup TEP arises once Rahl moves on to the next thing. Funnily enough, it’s the same group of players that couped TEP and gave birth to “the Empire.” How often were we told that it’s unfair to say these players are untrustworthy? How many times did Todd McCloud and the like say that Empire/Rahl associates were upstanding TEP citizens and there was no basis to say they’d coup again? I mean, come on.

[Wabbitslayah]

TIL straight-up abandoning treaty allies qualifies as a solution
If anyone's causing distractions, it's G-R admirably performing his role as TSP's MoFA.

I’m not really MoFA anymore. But if it were up to me, TSP would have dissolved the alliance with TEP back in June when I saw this exact eventuality playing out. The only reason I didn’t pull that trigger is because it’s not a bilateral alliance, but a multilateral one. In any case, it wasn’t any secret that TSP was extremely displeased with TEP under Fedele over the past 4 months, so it shouldn’t come as an surprise that I personally don’t think there’s much to salvage here. Obviously my own government doesn’t see it that way, so best of luck in the joint mission to save TEP.

Regions always see the light when they’re in the middle of being couped. TEP didn’t take any actions to prevent this, despite being warned 4 months ago that Fedele was bringing in Rahl and they were undertaking classic preparations for a coup. What are we supposed to do when a region won’t help itself?

I know it’s not popular to blame regions for getting themselves couped, but TEP didn’t do itself any favors. And given their history of allowing coupers to stay and be reincorporated into the community, I have low expectations of whatever post-coup TEP arises once Rahl moves on to the next thing. Funnily enough, it’s the same group of players that couped TEP and gave birth to “the Empire.” How often were we told that it’s unfair to say these players are untrustworthy? How many times did Todd McCloud and the like say that Empire/Rahl associates were upstanding TEP citizens and there was no basis to say they’d coup again? I mean, come on.

and you're pro defender how exactly?

[Devi]

TIL straight-up abandoning treaty allies qualifies as a solution
If anyone's causing distractions, it's G-R admirably performing his role as TSP's MoFA.

I’m not really MoFA anymore. But if it were up to me, TSP would have dissolved the alliance with TEP back in June when I saw this exact eventuality playing out. The only reason I didn’t pull that trigger is because it’s not a bilateral alliance, but a multilateral one. In any case, it wasn’t any secret that TSP was extremely displeased with TEP under Fedele over the past 4 months, so it shouldn’t come as an surprise that I personally don’t think there’s much to salvage here. Obviously my own government doesn’t see it that way, so best of luck in the joint mission to save TEP.

Regions always see the light when they’re in the middle of being couped. TEP didn’t take any actions to prevent this, despite being warned 4 months ago that Fedele was bringing in Rahl and they were undertaking classic preparations for a coup. What are we supposed to do when a region won’t help itself?

I know it’s not popular to blame regions for getting themselves couped, but TEP didn’t do itself any favors. And given their history of allowing coupers to stay and be reincorporated into the community, I have low expectations of whatever post-coup TEP arises once Rahl moves on to the next thing. Funnily enough, it’s the same group of players that couped TEP and gave birth to “the Empire.” How often were we told that it’s unfair to say these players are untrustworthy? How many times did Todd McCloud and the like say that Empire/Rahl associates were upstanding TEP citizens and there was no basis to say they’d coup again? I mean, come on.

Tl;dr 'they had it coming' is a valid reason to renege on a treaty.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

TIL straight-up abandoning treaty allies qualifies as a solution
If anyone's causing distractions, it's G-R admirably performing his role as TSP's MoFA.

I’m not really MoFA anymore. But if it were up to me, TSP would have dissolved the alliance with TEP back in June when I saw this exact eventuality playing out. The only reason I didn’t pull that trigger is because it’s not a bilateral alliance, but a multilateral one. In any case, it wasn’t any secret that TSP was extremely displeased with TEP under Fedele over the past 4 months, so it shouldn’t come as an surprise that I personally don’t think there’s much to salvage here. Obviously my own government doesn’t see it that way, so best of luck in the joint mission to save TEP.

Regions always see the light when they’re in the middle of being couped. TEP didn’t take any actions to prevent this, despite being warned 4 months ago that Fedele was bringing in Rahl and they were undertaking classic preparations for a coup. What are we supposed to do when a region won’t help itself?

I know it’s not popular to blame regions for getting themselves couped, but TEP didn’t do itself any favors. And given their history of allowing coupers to stay and be reincorporated into the community, I have low expectations of whatever post-coup TEP arises once Rahl moves on to the next thing. Funnily enough, it’s the same group of players that couped TEP and gave birth to “the Empire.” How often were we told that it’s unfair to say these players are untrustworthy? How many times did Todd McCloud and the like say that Empire/Rahl associates were upstanding TEP citizens and there was no basis to say they’d coup again? I mean, come on.

The next time you wander back into TSP and try to MoFA again, this should be linked to every TSP voter as evidence of why you'd be a horrific choice.

[Tim-Opolis]

Thank fuck that TSP has a more competent MoFA inbound.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Thank fuck that TSP has a more competent MoFA inbound.

Aww, not happy with the people you helped come to power in TEP anymore?

[Cormactopia Prime]

TIL straight-up abandoning treaty allies qualifies as a solution
If anyone's causing distractions, it's G-R admirably performing his role as TSP's MoFA.

I’m not really MoFA anymore. But if it were up to me, TSP would have dissolved the alliance with TEP back in June when I saw this exact eventuality playing out. The only reason I didn’t pull that trigger is because it’s not a bilateral alliance, but a multilateral one. In any case, it wasn’t any secret that TSP was extremely displeased with TEP under Fedele over the past 4 months, so it shouldn’t come as an surprise that I personally don’t think there’s much to salvage here. Obviously my own government doesn’t see it that way, so best of luck in the joint mission to save TEP.

Regions always see the light when they’re in the middle of being couped. TEP didn’t take any actions to prevent this, despite being warned 4 months ago that Fedele was bringing in Rahl and they were undertaking classic preparations for a coup. What are we supposed to do when a region won’t help itself?

I know it’s not popular to blame regions for getting themselves couped, but TEP didn’t do itself any favors. And given their history of allowing coupers to stay and be reincorporated into the community, I have low expectations of whatever post-coup TEP arises once Rahl moves on to the next thing. Funnily enough, it’s the same group of players that couped TEP and gave birth to “the Empire.” How often were we told that it’s unfair to say these players are untrustworthy? How many times did Todd McCloud and the like say that Empire/Rahl associates were upstanding TEP citizens and there was no basis to say they’d coup again? I mean, come on.

Can you literally just stop talking, stop undermining TSP's treaty ally while it's being couped, and stop undermining your own government's response?

Why TSP continues to tolerate you in any role beyond resident is beyond me. You are nothing but a liability and headache for them. If you're ever again elected Minister of Foreign Affairs, or anything else for that matter, after this deplorable reaction to a coup in an allied region, that will be appalling.

Occasionally, it is okay to avail yourself of the opportunity to shut the hell up and leave it to the people actually elected to respond.

[Kuriko]

Speaking as a TEPer myself, I’m extremely worried for the region which our Delegate is currently making a constitutional crisis within.
A coup regime? OH GOD.

Also, the elections are presumably being rigged by Fedele in Marrabuk’s favor, which is probably why the tallies are going to take a week. Fedele and most likely the Marrabuk delegacy campaign are buying themselves some sweet, sweet time.

TEP is indeed in a constitutional crisis, and at this point, there is no turning back. I’m sure at this point that I might have to leave.

Davelands was Felede's chosen candidate, not Marrabuk and Felede didn't start messing around with the election till it was clear he was going to lose. It's a pretty clear attempt to get the results invalidated because he didn't get the result he wanted.

Neutral on this, as whatever I say will ruffle feathers.

So I'll be talking as a private citizen, and not as a government official.

-> The East Pacific elects a Delegate
-> Delegate proposes things that people don't like
-> Citizens instead of gathering the votes/support to hold another election, protest
-> Old Guard get dismissed
-> Coup ???

I can see both sides of this being able to justify themselves.

Nope. A breakdown
->TEP Elects a Delegate
->Delegate is member of org well known for couping, having couped a GCR just last year
->One of delegates first acts is to close TEP's embassy with XKI (important because this invalidated a treaty that would have obligated XKI to defend TEP in the event of a coup)
->Delegate favors fellow couper in new election
->upset: Marrabuk pulls well ahead of couper, with about twice the votes
->Delegate begins interferes in election, ejects fellow couper, names Marrabuk vice delegate
->Couper calls for election to be invalidated [surprised pikachu face]
->Marrabuk wins the election
->Delegate ejects Vizars and appoints own BC officers, all coupers including one that had publicly defended invalidating the election
->Delegate begins endotarting, despite this being the time when he should be campaigning to transition the delegacy to the delegate elect.

Just a quick blip, XKI didn't have a treaty with the Concordat of The East Pacific. When Fedele purposefully entered our server last year, knowing we knew he was Scardino of LWU, and knowing we were at war with LWU, he was heading for a BS reason to close off ties between TEP and XKI. Unfortunately for him, it didn't work. FA announcement coming soon in the XKI thread.

[Old Hope]

The coup is doomed unless Aelitia is a mole. If they aren't ,the failed removal of WA endorsements from Aelitia by ejection(they relocated back before update) will be their downfall. Aelitia has 120 endorsements more than Fedele, and more than twice of Fedele's influence.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Thank fuck that TSP has a more competent MoFA inbound.

Aww, not happy with the people you helped come to power in TEP anymore?

This is a good post.

[Sensible Government Type]

Greetings, Losers.

Like a spider creeping out from behind the TV, 5 weeks after you last saw it, Pencil Sharpeners Puppet Storage Region has returned from presumed deadness to deliver an unwanted opinion into the face of NSGP.

Those of you who have been paying attention may be aware of a bemusing brouhaha emanating from the East. We in PSPSR acknowledge the accusations that have been levelled at Felede, TEP’s Delegate, and set out to address those in this literary construction.

As Cormac, the Piers Morgan of NSGP, pointed out, Feedle recently dismissed a number of Viziers in what many deemed to be a fit of pique. However, we at PSPSR performed an in-depth analysis on the socioeconomic repercussions of this move, and we concluded that Vizier is a stupid fucking name and should be abolished for good. We support Fdleee in his decision.

Now, some may attempt to rebut us with the proclamation that Fededed broke the laws of TEP when he performed this act. However, we must point out at this stage that we are not TEP. We are PSPSR and do not recognise the laws of TEP, or indeed anywhere else. The Charter of PSPSR does not ban the removal of Viziers, largely because the Charter of PSPSR does not exist.

We are aware that we are dancing around the real issue here, which is the presumed pernicious presence of the Rahl family, who have been blamed for rising sea levels, fires in the Amazon, and ruining Greta Thunberg’s childhood.

It is woefully evident that the existence of the Rahls is nothing more than a conspiracy, invented by the evil Commies over at the NPO, in an attempt to besmirch Fledel’s gloriously wealthy and successful government. It’s clear that they are spreading fake news, because top secret documentation reveals that Rahl stands for Real As Happy Leprechauns, and we know that Leprechauns actually are all pissed off because people keep trying to steal their gold. So happy Leprechauns don’t exist. So neither do the Rahls. Flawless logic. #I’mTryingToAppealToYoungPeopleByPuttingAHastagInMyPostAmIDoingItRight

In conclusion, we in PSPSR believe that Defele is a good an upstanding Delegate who wi- Oh, what’s that? He’s behind in endos and has no influence left so will be ousted at the next update? Oh, OK then. Glad he’s gone. Never trusted the bloke. Please donate to my Patreon.

[Bowzin]

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This is thread jacking

[Graveyard Bearer]

All the bad people will be welcomed back into TEP. Fedele will be back in a few months. It’s like that everywhere. There’s a select few that are constantly bullied, and get pushed away. It’s all a popularity contest. They commit the same hypocritical offenses. Nothing new here. Keep on moving.

[Escade]

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This is thread jacking

Aww.. I missed that delightful brand of humor.

There's nothing else here because I'm being "nice," how are you enjoying it? Probably sucks.

P.S. PS2, can I recruit\steal you for TEP

[Unibot III]

I’m not really MoFA anymore. But if it were up to me, TSP would have dissolved the alliance with TEP back in June when I saw this exact eventuality playing out. The only reason I didn’t pull that trigger is because it’s not a bilateral alliance, but a multilateral one. In any case, it wasn’t any secret that TSP was extremely displeased with TEP under Fedele over the past 4 months, so it shouldn’t come as an surprise that I personally don’t think there’s much to salvage here. Obviously my own government doesn’t see it that way, so best of luck in the joint mission to save TEP.

Regions always see the light when they’re in the middle of being couped. TEP didn’t take any actions to prevent this, despite being warned 4 months ago that Fedele was bringing in Rahl and they were undertaking classic preparations for a coup. What are we supposed to do when a region won’t help itself?

I know it’s not popular to blame regions for getting themselves couped, but TEP didn’t do itself any favors. And given their history of allowing coupers to stay and be reincorporated into the community, I have low expectations of whatever post-coup TEP arises once Rahl moves on to the next thing. Funnily enough, it’s the same group of players that couped TEP and gave birth to “the Empire.” How often were we told that it’s unfair to say these players are untrustworthy? How many times did Todd McCloud and the like say that Empire/Rahl associates were upstanding TEP citizens and there was no basis to say they’d coup again? I mean, come on.

Can you literally just stop talking, stop undermining TSP's treaty ally while it's being couped, and stop undermining your own government's response?

Why TSP continues to tolerate you in any role beyond resident is beyond me. You are nothing but a liability and headache for them. If you're ever again elected Minister of Foreign Affairs, or anything else for that matter, after this deplorable reaction to a coup in an allied region, that will be appalling.

Occasionally, it is okay to avail yourself of the opportunity to shut the hell up and leave it to the people actually elected to respond.

There's a bit more to it than this. The alliance, as Glen has said, is a multilateral one. TSP was thrown off guard when TRR showed no interest in reviewing the treaty - the TRR FA Minister flipflopped when they realized their delegate, rather than being opposed, was on board with Scardino's radical policies. Kyorgia's TRR embraced the LWU crowd with open arms, rejected attempts to express condemnation at any and all of the obvious canaries in the coal mine, and established an ill-timed Arts Festival. It was at that point that I chastised certain TRR officials in public for not doing what TRR traditionally was expected to do (defend democratic values), and Guy/Kyorgia et. al. claimed I knew "nothing" of the region's foreign policy and its governing philosophy. The Rejected Times even falsely claimed it couldn't publish a story about TEP purging residents because it hadn't been raised in TRR's assembly - the editor was effectively covering for the delegate or avoiding a confrontation with him. Now suddenly TRR is taking the position that its democracy has waned too far, despite the fact that the signs of trouble were clear as day only months ago when TEP's delegate was banning nations left, right, and centre.

TSP would have likely have taken a stiffer response earlier if TRR had been willing to back it up in tandem. That was a decision that's on TRR. It's a product of TRR and TSP drifting apart on the issue of democratic values. I'm very confident that the Rejected Realms of past governments would have raised issue with the abuse of power when it first became apparent -- not months later.

[A mean old man]

[Cormactopia Prime]

(Image)

Oh my God. Okay, you can stay again.