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Lerasi
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Founded: Jun 02, 2019
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Postby Lerasi » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:40 pm

ArenaC wrote:Speaking as a TEPer myself, I’m extremely worried for the region which our Delegate is currently making a constitutional crisis within.
Cormactopia Prime wrote:
  • Funkadelia has also published a dispatch and forum post laying the groundwork for a coup regime to declare TEP's laws illegitimate.
A coup regime? OH GOD.

Also, the elections are presumably being rigged by Fedele in Marrabuk’s favor, which is probably why the tallies are going to take a week. Fedele and most likely the Marrabuk delegacy campaign are buying themselves some sweet, sweet time.

TEP is indeed in a constitutional crisis, and at this point, there is no turning back. I’m sure at this point that I might have to leave.

This is not the truth. Fedele is not rigging the elections. In fact there is no way I can see where he can do this.

Besides, Marrabuk is the last person he'd want. He'd rather have Davelands.

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ArenaC
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Postby ArenaC » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:42 pm

Lerasi wrote:
ArenaC wrote:Speaking as a TEPer myself, I’m extremely worried for the region which our Delegate is currently making a constitutional crisis within.
A coup regime? OH GOD.

Also, the elections are presumably being rigged by Fedele in Marrabuk’s favor, which is probably why the tallies are going to take a week. Fedele and most likely the Marrabuk delegacy campaign are buying themselves some sweet, sweet time.

TEP is indeed in a constitutional crisis, and at this point, there is no turning back. I’m sure at this point that I might have to leave.

This is not the truth. Fedele is not rigging the elections. In fact there is no way I can see where he can do this.

Besides, Marrabuk is the last person he'd want. He'd rather have Davelands.

I stand corrected. My apologies, all.
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Cormactopia Prime
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Ex-Nation

Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:35 pm

16 minutes ago: Bachtendekuppen was ejected and banned from The East Pacific by Fedele.
18 minutes ago: Todd McCloud was ejected from The East Pacific by Funkadelia.

I hate to say I told you so, but...

Wait, no I don't. I told you so. Repeatedly. For like, a year. And many of you acted like I was nuts for it, lol. Enjoy.

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Lord Dominator
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Right-wing Utopia

Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:36 pm

Indeed you did :p

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The Pharcyde
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Founded: Feb 15, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby The Pharcyde » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:45 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
16 minutes ago: Bachtendekuppen was ejected and banned from The East Pacific by Fedele.
18 minutes ago: Todd McCloud was ejected from The East Pacific by Funkadelia.

I hate to say I told you so, but...

Wait, no I don't. I told you so. Repeatedly. For like, a year. And many of you acted like I was nuts for it, lol. Enjoy.

I didn't want to believe it. :(
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Cormactopia Prime
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Ex-Nation

Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:11 pm

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Just so everyone is aware, the Rahl family has been harboring Biyah on their Discord server for about two months now.

I mention this because there's every possibility, and every likelihood really, that they've allowed him to be involved in this TEP situation under an alt. And I feel like people should be aware they are harboring him in their family server and he may be involved in this. So do with that what you will.

Gaston Rahl, the person speaking just below Biyah in that screen shot, is Fedele, in case that was at all unclear.

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Altmoras
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Postby Altmoras » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:54 pm

It wouldn't be an odd numbered year without a GCR coup.
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The Notorious Mad Jack
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:46 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:(Image)

Just so everyone is aware, the Rahl family has been harboring Biyah on their Discord server for about two months now.

I mention this because there's every possibility, and every likelihood really, that they've allowed him to be involved in this TEP situation under an alt. And I feel like people should be aware they are harboring him in their family server and he may be involved in this. So do with that what you will.

Gaston Rahl, the person speaking just below Biyah in that screen shot, is Fedele, in case that was at all unclear.

Well this is really ew.
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Kuriko
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Postby Kuriko » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:47 am

Who's Biyah? Also, any information on why Todd, a Vizier, was ejected from TEP by Funk and Bach was banned by Fedele?
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Frattastan IV
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Ex-Nation

Postby Frattastan IV » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:21 am

Kuriko wrote:Who's Biyah?


I wonder how many people hoped they could see the day when "Who's Biyah?" would be a question. :lol:
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Newark Aristocracy
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Postby Newark Aristocracy » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:31 am

I've TG'ed the WA delagate of TBH for help in dealing with Fedele. (Yes,I'm trying to get raiders to help us in TEP out)

If they accept, Fedele will have a bad time.

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Kuriko
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Postby Kuriko » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:51 am

Newark Aristocracy wrote:I've TG'ed the WA delagate of TBH for help in dealing with Fedele. (Yes,I'm trying to get raiders to help us in TEP out)

If they accept, Fedele will have a bad time.

Fedele is a member of Lone Wolves United, and TBH won't help out natives in a coup.
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WayNeacTia
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Ex-Nation

Postby WayNeacTia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:53 am

Newark Aristocracy wrote:I've TG'ed the WA delagate of TBH for help in dealing with Fedele. (Yes,I'm trying to get raiders to help us in TEP out)

If they accept, Fedele will have a bad time.


I'm sure they can't wait to leap at the opportunity. :roll:
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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East Meranopirus
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Founded: Jul 28, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby East Meranopirus » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:57 am

Newark Aristocracy wrote:I've TG'ed the WA delagate of TBH for help in dealing with Fedele. (Yes,I'm trying to get raiders to help us in TEP out)

If they accept, Fedele will have a bad time.

The WA Delegate also isn't the guy who runs the show in TBH.

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WayNeacTia
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Ex-Nation

Postby WayNeacTia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:31 am

East Meranopirus wrote:
Newark Aristocracy wrote:I've TG'ed the WA delagate of TBH for help in dealing with Fedele. (Yes,I'm trying to get raiders to help us in TEP out)

If they accept, Fedele will have a bad time.

The WA Delegate also isn't the guy who runs the show in TBH.


Considering his demonstrated lack of knowledge of gameplay with his given statement, I would suspect he is not in any position to be conducting foreign affairs on behalf of TEP.
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

wait

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New Rogernomics
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby New Rogernomics » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:19 am

Neutral on this, as whatever I say will ruffle feathers.

So I'll be talking as a private citizen, and not as a government official.

-> The East Pacific elects a Delegate
-> Delegate proposes things that people don't like
-> Citizens instead of gathering the votes/support to hold another election, protest
-> Old Guard get dismissed
-> Coup ???

I can see both sides of this being able to justify themselves.
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Kuriko
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Postby Kuriko » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:23 am

New Rogernomics wrote:Neutral on this, as whatever I say will ruffle feathers.

So I'll be talking as a private citizen, and not as a government official.

-> The East Pacific elects a Delegate
-> Delegate proposes things that people don't like
-> Citizens instead of gathering the votes/support to hold another election, protest
-> Old Guard get dismissed
-> Coup ???

I can see both sides of this being able to justify themselves.

They had an election. Marrabuk is the new lawfully elected delegate.
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Glen-Rhodes
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:25 am

When are we finally going to outcast and isolate these players? All they do in this game is cause chaos and hurt others for laughs. To be frank, we warned TEP about this months ago and they chose to not do anything. We warn every region that allows Rahls to build influence, and no one listens until it’s too late.

And when all this is over, these same players will be welcomed back into the fold, still be popular in the GP Discord server, and not face any consequences. Rinse and repeat. Their coups add nothing to this game, yet y’all still bend over backwards to reward them each and every time.

You know the best way to deal with this group, since they emulate fifth grade bullies? Ignore them. Let them have TEP. Get TEPers to go join other regions. Let them rule over an empty shell of a region, pay them no mind and no attention, and then they won’t have fun doing it anymore.

Meanwhile, any region that doesn’t summarily ban all Rahl associates is dumb.
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The Notorious Mad Jack
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:31 am

Glen-Rhodes wrote:And when all this is over, these same players will be welcomed back into the fold, still be popular in the GP Discord server, and not face any consequences.

Someone doesn't pay attention to the GP Discord server.
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Buranda
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Founded: Jul 20, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Buranda » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:17 am

ArenaC wrote:Speaking as a TEPer myself, I’m extremely worried for the region which our Delegate is currently making a constitutional crisis within.
Cormactopia Prime wrote:
  • Funkadelia has also published a dispatch and forum post laying the groundwork for a coup regime to declare TEP's laws illegitimate.
A coup regime? OH GOD.

Also, the elections are presumably being rigged by Fedele in Marrabuk’s favor, which is probably why the tallies are going to take a week. Fedele and most likely the Marrabuk delegacy campaign are buying themselves some sweet, sweet time.

TEP is indeed in a constitutional crisis, and at this point, there is no turning back. I’m sure at this point that I might have to leave.

Davelands was Felede's chosen candidate, not Marrabuk and Felede didn't start messing around with the election till it was clear he was going to lose. It's a pretty clear attempt to get the results invalidated because he didn't get the result he wanted.

New Rogernomics wrote:Neutral on this, as whatever I say will ruffle feathers.

So I'll be talking as a private citizen, and not as a government official.

-> The East Pacific elects a Delegate
-> Delegate proposes things that people don't like
-> Citizens instead of gathering the votes/support to hold another election, protest
-> Old Guard get dismissed
-> Coup ???

I can see both sides of this being able to justify themselves.

Nope. A breakdown
->TEP Elects a Delegate
->Delegate is member of org well known for couping, having couped a GCR just last year
->One of delegates first acts is to close TEP's embassy with XKI (important because this invalidated a treaty that would have obligated XKI to defend TEP in the event of a coup)
->Delegate favors fellow couper in new election
->upset: Marrabuk pulls well ahead of couper, with about twice the votes
->Delegate begins interferes in election, ejects fellow couper, names Marrabuk vice delegate
->Couper calls for election to be invalidated [surprised pikachu face]
->Marrabuk wins the election
->Delegate ejects Vizars and appoints own BC officers, all coupers including one that had publicly defended invalidating the election
->Delegate begins endotarting, despite this being the time when he should be campaigning to transition the delegacy to the delegate elect.
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Grater Tovakia
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Founded: Mar 27, 2018
Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Grater Tovakia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:24 am

so this is actually happening now? Awesome, I get to see my first GCR coup.
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Marxist Germany
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Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:48 am

Welp, this is not good, not good at all.
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Cormactopia Prime
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Ex-Nation

Postby Cormactopia Prime » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:20 am

Glen-Rhodes wrote:You know the best way to deal with this group, since they emulate fifth grade bullies? Ignore them. Let them have TEP. Get TEPers to go join other regions. Let them rule over an empty shell of a region, pay them no mind and no attention, and then they won’t have fun doing it anymore.

This is a hot take from a defender who just pushed his region to become defender, when his region is allied to TEP. You have an obligation to defend TEP, not undermine its defense by encouraging people to turn a blind eye to what's happening. Seriously, what even is this take? Letting them win is not the answer.

Glen-Rhodes wrote:Meanwhile, any region that doesn’t summarily ban all Rahl associates is dumb.

This part is 100% correct.

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Ever-Wandering Souls
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:24 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Glen-Rhodes wrote:You know the best way to deal with this group, since they emulate fifth grade bullies? Ignore them. Let them have TEP. Get TEPers to go join other regions. Let them rule over an empty shell of a region, pay them no mind and no attention, and then they won’t have fun doing it anymore.

This is a hot take from a defender who just pushed his region to become defender, when his region is allied to TEP. You have an obligation to defend TEP, not undermine its defense by encouraging people to turn a blind eye to what's happening. Seriously, what even is this take? Letting them win is not the answer.


It makes more sense if you read it as "Great, let TSP have all their members, and wait for these peeps to get bored because who cares about TEP anyways"
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Cormactopia Prime
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Ex-Nation

Postby Cormactopia Prime » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:26 am

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:This is a hot take from a defender who just pushed his region to become defender, when his region is allied to TEP. You have an obligation to defend TEP, not undermine its defense by encouraging people to turn a blind eye to what's happening. Seriously, what even is this take? Letting them win is not the answer.


It makes more sense if you read it as "Great, let TSP have all their members, and wait for these peeps to get bored because who cares about TEP anyways"

Yeah, I really don't know what he was aiming for here, but I'm encouraged to know no one else I've talked to from TSP shares this view.

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