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Postby Armaros » Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:34 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Armaros wrote:Aleister is not currently a member of Lone Wolves United.

They are still associates from their time together in Lone Wolves United, but thanks for that update.

Or so you suspect. They don’t currently “share” a raider region, however.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:38 am

Armaros wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:They are still associates from their time together in Lone Wolves United, but thanks for that update.

Or so you suspect. They don’t currently “share” a raider region, however.

Is this really the thing you're going to choose to quibble over to deflect attention from the main event? You can do better.
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Postby Armaros » Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:47 am

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Armaros wrote:Or so you suspect. They don’t currently “share” a raider region, however.

Is this really the thing you're going to choose to quibble over to deflect attention from the main event? You can do better.

I am not interested in anything else. If you paid as much attention as I presume you did, you’ll have noted I didn’t vote in the elections. This is because I do not consider myself to have contributed enough to TEP to have a say in it’s future, and do not consider myself able to comment on this matter further. For now, I am merely interested in clearing up this inaccuracy.
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Postby Aynia Moreaux » Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:58 pm

All I can think after reading that is, my lord Fedele is currently the Trump of Nationstates, lol.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:46 pm

Aynia Moreaux wrote:All I can think after reading that is, my lord Fedele is currently the Trump of Nationstates, lol.

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Postby Wabbitslayah » Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:54 pm

Armaros wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:They are still associates from their time together in Lone Wolves United, but thanks for that update.

Or so you suspect. They don’t currently “share” a raider region, however.

He already acknowledged that by saying "thanks for the update". You don't need to say it twice. Which also, them being associates has nothing to do with sharing any region together.
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:06 pm

One does wonder what exactly TEP expected by electing Fedele delegate... cos this should've been expected.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:22 pm

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:One does wonder what exactly TEP expected by electing Fedele delegate... cos this should've been expected.

Funkadelia, Aleister (Lamb Stone), Evil Wolf, and now Fedele have demonstrated over the past couple years what a bad idea it is to elect raiders as Delegates of Feeders and Sinkers. After years of the wolves in sheep's clothing trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, with Evil Wolf personally campaigning in TNP in particular for raiders to be included as full community members, it seems the pretense of making real contributions to these regions has been dropped. They just use GCRs as their playthings now and discard them when they're finished. First Lazarus, now TEP. It's very unfortunate.

That said, I don't blame TEP. These regions' communities have had it hammered into their heads for years by so-called "independents" that it's fine to elect raiders to positions of power. It's not at all surprising to see GCRs getting duped after this years long propaganda campaign by the independent sphere to normalize the election of raiders in GCRs. So it's not the community of TEP I think should have known better. For me, the people who deserve the blame are independents like North East Somerset, r3naissanc3r, McMasterdonia, Belschaft, Todd McCloud, et al., who spent years normalizing raiders and pushing defender and defender-leaning residents out of their regions. Now we're seeing the results. They're the people to blame for this, not deceived natives.
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Postby Armaros » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:19 am

Are you suggesting the people you named (Todd, Mcm, r3n, etc.) are not natives but have a foreign agenda in mind?

Genuinely curious.

I’m also unsure how you got the conclusion the four individuals you named represent all raiders.
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Postby All Wild Things » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:38 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Funkadelia, Aleister (Lamb Stone), Evil Wolf, and now Fedele have demonstrated over the past couple years what a bad idea it is to elect raiders as Delegates of Feeders and Sinkers.


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Postby The Church of Satan » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:56 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Funkadelia, Aleister (Lamb Stone), Evil Wolf, and now Fedele have demonstrated over the past couple years what a bad idea it is to elect raiders as Delegates of Feeders and Sinkers. After years of the wolves in sheep's clothing trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, with Evil Wolf personally campaigning in TNP in particular for raiders to be included as full community members, it seems the pretense of making real contributions to these regions has been dropped. They just use GCRs as their playthings now and discard them when they're finished. First Lazarus, now TEP. It's very unfortunate.

That said, I don't blame TEP. These regions' communities have had it hammered into their heads for years by so-called "independents" that it's fine to elect raiders to positions of power.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that raider delegates in GCRs are a bad idea. Zaolat (Mek, whatever his name is...can people not settle on having one or two names!?) was an adequate delegate in TRR. Of course TRR is fundamentally different with regards to the potential dangers but the point remains the same. If anything over the last couple years it's just been LWU that have proven to be the problem with regards to raider delegates in GCRs. They just cannot be trusted.
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Postby Newark Aristocracy » Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:42 am

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Postby Aclion » Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:57 am

The Church of Satan wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Funkadelia, Aleister (Lamb Stone), Evil Wolf, and now Fedele have demonstrated over the past couple years what a bad idea it is to elect raiders as Delegates of Feeders and Sinkers. After years of the wolves in sheep's clothing trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, with Evil Wolf personally campaigning in TNP in particular for raiders to be included as full community members, it seems the pretense of making real contributions to these regions has been dropped. They just use GCRs as their playthings now and discard them when they're finished. First Lazarus, now TEP. It's very unfortunate.

That said, I don't blame TEP. These regions' communities have had it hammered into their heads for years by so-called "independents" that it's fine to elect raiders to positions of power.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that raider delegates in GCRs are a bad idea. Zaolat (Mek, whatever his name is...can people not settle on having one or two names!?) was an adequate delegate in TRR. Of course TRR is fundamentally different with regards to the potential dangers but the point remains the same. If anything over the last couple years it's just been LWU that have proven to be the problem with regards to raider delegates in GCRs. They just cannot be trusted.

Yes. it seems to be an issue with LWU right now. TEP's previous delegate was a raider as well but there was never a concern.

Armaros wrote:Are you suggesting the people you named (Todd, Mcm, r3n, etc.) are not natives but have a foreign agenda in mind?

Genuinely curious.

I’m also unsure how you got the conclusion the four individuals you named represent all raiders.

what an absurd strawman. You know you'd be a lot more convincing if you kept your mouth shut. Having another member of LWU running defense is not convincing.
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Postby The Holy Principality of Saint Mark » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:25 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:One does wonder what exactly TEP expected by electing Fedele delegate... cos this should've been expected.

Funkadelia, Aleister (Lamb Stone), Evil Wolf, and now Fedele have demonstrated over the past couple years what a bad idea it is to elect raiders as Delegates of Feeders and Sinkers. After years of the wolves in sheep's clothing trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, with Evil Wolf personally campaigning in TNP in particular for raiders to be included as full community members, it seems the pretense of making real contributions to these regions has been dropped. They just use GCRs as their playthings now and discard them when they're finished. First Lazarus, now TEP. It's very unfortunate.

That said, I don't blame TEP. These regions' communities have had it hammered into their heads for years by so-called "independents" that it's fine to elect raiders to positions of power. It's not at all surprising to see GCRs getting duped after this years long propaganda campaign by the independent sphere to normalize the election of raiders in GCRs. So it's not the community of TEP I think should have known better. For me, the people who deserve the blame are independents like North East Somerset, r3naissanc3r, McMasterdonia, Belschaft, Todd McCloud, et al., who spent years normalizing raiders and pushing defender and defender-leaning residents out of their regions. Now we're seeing the results. They're the people to blame for this, not deceived natives.

Haven't there been excellent Osiris and TWP Delegates who had also been raiders?
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Postby The Pharcyde » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:27 am

Todd was a raider.

Does anyone have a theory for why Marrabuk is the odd man out? I think it's because their name sounds like Mubarak.
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Postby Aclion » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:31 pm

The Pharcyde wrote:Todd was a raider.

Does anyone have a theory for why Marrabuk is the odd man out? I think it's because their name sounds like Mubarak.

What do you mean by odd man out?
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:18 pm

Aclion wrote:
The Pharcyde wrote:Todd was a raider.

Does anyone have a theory for why Marrabuk is the odd man out? I think it's because their name sounds like Mubarak.

What do you mean by odd man out?

Marrabuk is the only RO who hasn't been dismissed.
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Postby Aclion » Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:30 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Aclion wrote:What do you mean by odd man out?

Marrabuk is the only RO who hasn't been dismissed.

Oh. He's the one who won the election(even though it's not over for 5 more days).
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Postby Unibot III » Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:39 pm

Must be time for another TRR-TEP Art Festival.

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:One does wonder what exactly TEP expected by electing Fedele delegate... cos this should've been expected.

Funkadelia, Aleister (Lamb Stone), Evil Wolf, and now Fedele have demonstrated over the past couple years what a bad idea it is to elect raiders as Delegates of Feeders and Sinkers. After years of the wolves in sheep's clothing trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, with Evil Wolf personally campaigning in TNP in particular for raiders to be included as full community members, it seems the pretense of making real contributions to these regions has been dropped. They just use GCRs as their playthings now and discard them when they're finished. First Lazarus, now TEP. It's very unfortunate.

That said, I don't blame TEP. These regions' communities have had it hammered into their heads for years by so-called "independents" that it's fine to elect raiders to positions of power. It's not at all surprising to see GCRs getting duped after this years long propaganda campaign by the independent sphere to normalize the election of raiders in GCRs. So it's not the community of TEP I think should have known better. For me, the people who deserve the blame are independents like North East Somerset, r3naissanc3r, McMasterdonia, Belschaft, Todd McCloud, et al., who spent years normalizing raiders and pushing defender and defender-leaning residents out of their regions. Now we're seeing the results. They're the people to blame for this, not deceived natives.


The key part of this is defenders are always pushed out, dismissed as unpatriotic, untrustworthy etc. It's the oldest story in the book.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:40 pm

Unibot III wrote:Must be time for another TRR-TEP Art Festival.

Nah, I think TNP's got it covered with a gaming thing this time ;)

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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:53 am

Unibot III wrote:The key part of this is defenders are always pushed out, dismissed as unpatriotic, untrustworthy etc. It's the oldest story in the book.

Defenders in TNP were unpatriotic and untrustworthy - you included.
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Postby Xoriet » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:07 am

Unibot III wrote:The key part of this is defenders are always pushed out, dismissed as unpatriotic, untrustworthy etc. It's the oldest story in the book.

You were more interested in your defender agenda in TEP than you were in how it was tearing apart the community. I'd call that more loyal to an agenda than to a region's best interests. Also, you ran from a trial because you couldn't be convicted or your oath to UDL would have been broken. Nobody forced you to run.
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Postby Numero Capitan » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:08 am

Wasn’t going to comment on this but the likes of Todd/NES/McM have done more for their respective GCRs than almost anyone else. Todd in particular has never been anything but inclusive in my experience and has always sought to welcome those who want to help build the region.

The problems referred to here are not ‘raider’ or ‘independent’ problems (or exclusive to any group) but issues with nations that seek to push their own personal agendas in GCRs rather than genuinely act in the interests of the region. They’re pretty easy to spot if you keep your eyes open.
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