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by Sarakart » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:45 pm
by Glen-Rhodes » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:14 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I never thought I'd see the day I'd compliment you, Glen, but very well done op-ed on Westphalia.
Sarakart wrote:I'd concur. The Westphalia part was my favorite, although I didn't mind the Llamas either. That said, how much of what was written in terms of TGW complaints about the region not cooperating with their suggestions was actually the opinion of TGW officially, rather than Tim-Opolis? It's not really clear to me either way, reading some of the backlog.
by Cormactopia Prime » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:12 pm
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:30 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
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by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:57 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Roavin » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:42 pm
Cormactopia Prime wrote:It's amusing to me to see Glen-Rhodes turning on his only political allies in the South Pacific because a) he lost an election for Minister of Foreign Affairs to Tim, which is what this is really about, and b) they aren't marching in lockstep with him and Unibot and the vision those two share for defending.
I guess when it comes to subverting the South Pacific and disrespecting those who disagree with him, even fellow defenders aren't safe. Maybe it's time to acknowledge that the problem with Glen-Rhodes isn't that he's a defender. The problem with Glen-Rhodes is that he is Glen-Rhodes.
Certainly the South Pacific would benefit from acknowledging that and finally doing something about it.
by Vincent Drake » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:35 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Given that multiple TGW officials, both here and on public Discord servers, said the same things, I think it's safe to attribute those stances to TGW as an organization itself. If TGW disagreed with the native-blaming, they certainly haven't made a public effort to correct the record.
Tim-Opolis wrote:It's a personal opinion, not an organization opinion.
by Cormactopia Prime » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:53 pm
Roavin wrote:Cormactopia Prime wrote:It's amusing to me to see Glen-Rhodes turning on his only political allies in the South Pacific because a) he lost an election for Minister of Foreign Affairs to Tim, which is what this is really about, and b) they aren't marching in lockstep with him and Unibot and the vision those two share for defending.
I guess when it comes to subverting the South Pacific and disrespecting those who disagree with him, even fellow defenders aren't safe. Maybe it's time to acknowledge that the problem with Glen-Rhodes isn't that he's a defender. The problem with Glen-Rhodes is that he is Glen-Rhodes.
Certainly the South Pacific would benefit from acknowledging that and finally doing something about it.
What's the issue? It's harsh, critical journalism. It slams me almost as hard as it slams Tim, it shows where things went wrong, and .... I don't have a problem with that! That's the point of journalism.
by Escade » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:10 am
by Glen-Rhodes » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:50 pm
Vincent Drake wrote:If you have genuinely productive criticism without the smear agenda, you know where to send it.
by Glen-Rhodes » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:15 pm
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Which brings me to my next point: When is the last time Glen-Rhodes defended a region? Say what you will about the Grey Wardens, but they do it every night. Glen-Rhodes' interest in defending is political; he couldn't care less about the actual defense of regions, he cares how it plays in Feeders and Sinkers, and how it can further his political agenda in Feeders and Sinkers. His beef with how Westphalia was handled has nothing to do with any concern for Westphalia and everything to do with how it looks to Feederites and Sinkerites. If he actually cared at all about Westphalia or any other region, he'd stop sitting around in the South Pacific moaning and groaning about actual defenders who are doing actual defending, and he would mobilize his WA nation to actually defend the regions he claims to care so much about. At least Unibot used to do that. Glen-Rhodes has never consistently done that. He is not a defender -- he is a gadfly with an agenda, who uses defenderism as a prop. Defenders should ignore him. But then, everyone should ignore him.
by Deadeye Jack » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:49 pm
by Drop Your Pants » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:33 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:- Listen to other defenders with longer resumes and more experience
by Escade » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:28 pm
Deadeye Jack wrote:Glen-Rhodes wrote:I did give plenty in the article, and it's a shame you'd rather ignore it and call it a smear.
I don't want to get into a back and forth with you over this but you've latched onto one part of his post while ignoring the part where he said that plenty of what was included in the OP Ed was valid and that it was noted and discussed.It's not being ignored, in truth, there wasn't anything new that we hadn't already discussed before your piece. I've always found that if I have an issue with someone who is a friend or ally it's best to try to discuss that with them candidly in private instead of trying to make a show of it. Battling in the public arena trying to show someone up is a hindrance to your message getting through. I have that same philosophy whether it be speaking to a friend, an ally, a warden or a fellow commander.
As Vinny said, we're not here to fill the GP drama needs.
by Unibot III » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:17 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:53 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Unibot III » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:56 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Y'all keep saying tim running his mouth is a Tim issue, and yet I've never seen much from Roavin or now Vinny in the way of actually disciplining the way he's representing the org/affecting it's image.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Escade » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:00 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Y'all keep saying tim running his mouth is a Tim issue, and yet I've never seen much from Roavin or now Vinny in the way of actually disciplining the way he's representing the org/affecting it's image.
by Drop Your Pants » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:41 pm
Unibot III wrote:It's just a matter of making sure the position of the organization is distinguishable, which can get difficult when there are individuals in an organization which are prominent publicly.
by Guy » Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:55 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:- Cut down on COIs for your Wardens, so you don't get accused of subverting GCRs
[violet] wrote:Never underestimate the ability of admin to do nothing.
by Cormactopia Prime » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:46 am
by Wopruthien » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:33 am
by Glen-Rhodes » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:44 am
Guy wrote:Glen-Rhodes wrote:- Cut down on COIs for your Wardens, so you don't get accused of subverting GCRs
You're the only one making this unfounded accusation. TRR is perfectly capable of identifying attempts to 'stack' its votes or to subvert its democratic processes. If your reasoning for this claim is Tim casting WA votes, it can be safely discarded.
by Glen-Rhodes » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:09 am
Deadeye Jack wrote:I've always found that if I have an issue with someone who is a friend or ally it's best to try to discuss that with them candidly in private instead of trying to make a show of it. Battling in the public arena trying to show someone up is a hindrance to your message getting through. I have that same philosophy whether it be speaking to a friend, an ally, a warden or a fellow commander.
As Vinny said, we're not here to fill the GP drama needs.
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