Getting Rid of the Black Market?

[Jazz Commies and Sexy Astrophysicists]

Hello. I was just curious as to if anyone knew if there was a way to eliminate the Black Market within my nation. Ever since I got all of my economy into the Public Sector, a "highly efficient Black Market industry in Tourism" (which I find a tad confusing, but eh) has been in my description. Is there a way to eliminate this, or will it always be there?

[Frisbeeteria]

a "highly efficient Black Market industry in Tourism" (which I find a tad confusing, but eh)

Not hard to imagine:

• People rent out rooms in their homes because tourists don't like thos bland government-owned hotels
• Government taxis (think Trabants, Yugos, BMW Isettas and Ford Pintos) sit idly by the curb while private owners give rides in their stylish cars for cash
• Why visit that pricey restaurant when there's a beach BBQ offering roasted goat and home-brewed rum for cash?

Can't help you on eliminating it, though. I'm off to hang out with the black markets guys offering deep sea fishing and nude sunbathing with native girls.

[The Dark Star Republic]

It could also refer to things like illegal forms of tourism: child sex tourism, medical tourism for illicit medical procedures, narcotic tourism, etc.

[Riotopia]

People rent out rooms in their homes because tourists don't like thos bland government-owned hotels

Actually they do that because they have big houses/apartments and don't need the room, can get money by renting from people that are poor.

Government taxis (think Trabants, Yugos, BMW Isettas and Ford Pintos) sit idly by the curb while private owners give rides in their stylish cars for cash

Are there any government taxis? I'm sure all these are private companies, government has public transport not taxis.

Why visit that pricey restaurant when there's a beach BBQ offering roasted goat and home-brewed rum for cash?

The food is better, you look better, you don't eat on the beach and drink awful drinks... Family at a restaurant > family at a beach BBQ

Can't help you on eliminating it, though. I'm off to hang out with the black markets guys offering deep sea fishing and nude sunbathing with native girls.

Ciao

[Jazz Commies and Sexy Astrophysicists]

a "highly efficient Black Market industry in Tourism" (which I find a tad confusing, but eh)

Not hard to imagine:

• People rent out rooms in their homes because tourists don't like thos bland government-owned hotels
• Government taxis (think Trabants, Yugos, BMW Isettas and Ford Pintos) sit idly by the curb while private owners give rides in their stylish cars for cash
• Why visit that pricey restaurant when there's a beach BBQ offering roasted goat and home-brewed rum for cash?

Can't help you on eliminating it, though. I'm off to hang out with the black markets guys offering deep sea fishing and nude sunbathing with native girls.

Well, you've painted a beautiful mental picture, at least. Thank you for the response.

[Ikania]

Can't help you on eliminating it, though. I'm off to hang out with the black markets guys offering deep sea fishing and nude sunbathing with native girls.

You cheeky bastard, I'm gonna crash that party.

[Vulpenia]

Ever since I got all of my economy into the Public Sector,

And there's your answer. You didn't eliminate the private sector, you just drove it underground. That's the problem with planned economies: if people want something the state doesn't provide, they're going to find a way to get it, legal or not. The only way to get rid of black markets is to allow free enterprise. I know that's not what you want to hear, but that's just how it is.

[Jazz Commies and Sexy Astrophysicists]

Ever since I got all of my economy into the Public Sector,

And there's your answer. You didn't eliminate the private sector, you just drove it underground. That's the problem with planned economies: if people want something the state doesn't provide, they're going to find a way to get it, legal or not. The only way to get rid of black markets is to allow free enterprise. I know that's not what you want to hear, but that's just how it is.

I can't tell how high your pulpit is from here, but I suggest you get off it, as it's prevented you from seeing that the question has already been answered. If I wanted to listen to some random person's ideological dribble, I would've gone to General.

[Reijekstan]

Hello. I was just curious as to if anyone knew if there was a way to eliminate the Black Market within my nation. Ever since I got all of my economy into the Public Sector, a "highly efficient Black Market industry in Tourism" (which I find a tad confusing, but eh) has been in my description. Is there a way to eliminate this, or will it always be there?

I have had the same problem. It just sort of shows up and goes away. For the longest time, I had the black market thing(and in tourism too), but then it just went away. After a while, it came back, and then just went away. I haven't been able to identify any patterns with it, but I am pretty sure that if you keep on doing what you're doing, it will go away.

[Jazz Commies and Sexy Astrophysicists]

Hello. I was just curious as to if anyone knew if there was a way to eliminate the Black Market within my nation. Ever since I got all of my economy into the Public Sector, a "highly efficient Black Market industry in Tourism" (which I find a tad confusing, but eh) has been in my description. Is there a way to eliminate this, or will it always be there?

I have had the same problem. It just sort of shows up and goes away. For the longest time, I had the black market thing(and in tourism too), but then it just went away. After a while, it came back, and then just went away. I haven't been able to identify any patterns with it, but I am pretty sure that if you keep on doing what you're doing, it will go away.

That is good, at least. Thank you.

[Blood Wine]

Correct me if I'm wrong,but the black market in X message is actually a general message indicating a lot of crime,X being a major industry - only included for grammar reasons

[Frattastan II]

Correct me if I'm wrong,but the black market in X message is actually a general message indicating a lot of crime,X being a major industry - only included for grammar reasons

Apparently not.

My GDP is 100% in the public sector. Crime is crippling and police underfunded.
And I have "a robust private sector dominated by the Book Publishing industry", with no mention of black market.

Maybe it's because private enterprise isn't actually illegal? (Only crushed into non-existence by the competition from the huge state-supported public sector). Or, perhaps, only very strong economies don't have a black market (but the threshold must be pretty high - Frattastan has 93/100 and a black market).

[Transyl]

In my opinion, you only have a 20% chance of getting your nation to be the way you want it to be. So..Good luck with getting rid of the black market. But in reality there will always be some type of black market, it's clearly never going to go away.

[Sapiocratia]

Ever since I got all of my economy into the Public Sector,

And there's your answer. You didn't eliminate the private sector, you just drove it underground. That's the problem with planned economies: if people want something the state doesn't provide, they're going to find a way to get it, legal or not. The only way to get rid of black markets is to allow free enterprise. I know that's not what you want to hear, but that's just how it is.

I've somehow started the game with all private industry illegal, and yet, I have no black market, I have never had a black market... in fact, I wouldn't mind having a small black market. (I have been waiting on a sensible issue since to legalize a heavily regulated private industry.)

My vassal state started WITH a private sector (~30%), AND a small black market (2-3%).
[On a sidenote, I think the deciding factor was the question "do you believe corporations are good for society?"(main: disagree, vassal: agree), and perhaps to a lesser extent "do you believe capitalism is on the way out?" (main: agree, vassal: disagree)]

Therefore, I don't think what creates the black market is the lack of private industry, and it is not dependent on economic rating as BOTH my states started as basket cases in that department.

[Fauzjhia]

And there's your answer. You didn't eliminate the private sector, you just drove it underground. That's the problem with planned economies: if people want something the state doesn't provide, they're going to find a way to get it, legal or not. The only way to get rid of black markets is to allow free enterprise. I know that's not what you want to hear, but that's just how it is.

I've somehow started the game with all private industry illegal, and yet, I have no black market, I have never had a black market... in fact, I wouldn't mind having a small black market. (I have been waiting on a sensible issue since to legalize a heavily regulated private industry.)

My vassal state started WITH a private sector (~30%), AND a small black market (2-3%).
[On a sidenote, I think the deciding factor was the question "do you believe corporations are good for society?"(main: disagree, vassal: agree), and perhaps to a lesser extent "do you believe capitalism is on the way out?" (main: agree, vassal: disagree)]

Therefore, I don't think what creates the black market is the lack of private industry, and it is not dependent on economic rating as BOTH my states started as basket cases in that department.

Yeah, Fauzjhia said no and is a communist nation and never a black market.
I Believe Black markets are linked to authoritarianism, if your nation does not give what the people want and is occupied with law and order, like Marnady, who allow free enterprise, well black market will rise.
but in Fauzjhia, there is no reason to get a black market, as the government take care of the people.
Meanwhile, Marnady don't give any form of Welfare to people, it rather kill them for nothing..

i NOTCE

[Hatred and Darkness]

I was hoping for help in eliminating my black market problem as well. My nation is in the top 1% for both Safety and lowest crime rates.... and yet somehow my black market is a full 30% of my economy, and I have no clue the cause. I've got a rather large private sector with no government owned businesses... I'm kinda scratching my head here.

[Tiangong]

I never had a blackmarket too, despite being authoritian, communist, with private enterprise illegal.
I have a huge police force, so that may be the answer

[Proticata]

I was hoping for help in eliminating my black market problem as well. My nation is in the top 1% for both Safety and lowest crime rates.... and yet somehow my black market is a full 30% of my economy, and I have no clue the cause. I've got a rather large private sector with no government owned businesses... I'm kinda scratching my head here.

Because your nation is very conservative and authoritarian

[Kingdom of Danniria]

Hello, pass tighter rules and ask citizens to show all sources of income

[Romanescta]

Increase law and enforcement, liberalize your economy if you economy is a capitalist one, if it is a socialist one then ensure then increase social spending, ensure enough public services and welfare provisions and importantly, avoid clamping down on the people too much.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Correct me if I'm wrong,but the black market in X message is actually a general message indicating a lot of crime,X being a major industry - only included for grammar reasons

that's not the case, my crime is extremely low, yet is still have about 10% of my economy in Black Market

[Workers Imperium]

However, for those in the know, there is an enormous, deeply entrenched, broadly diversified black market in Arms Manufacturing, Information Technology, Uranium Mining, and Woodchip Exports

Oh, I think i'm doing a terrible job stamping out my black market. Every strike against it just makes it come back bigger and more illegal.

[Applehorse Islands]

Though we are not a planned economy yet, and our black market was only a few percents of all, the BM was constantly growing. A few minutes ago we have managed to cut it in half by passing a law allowing smaller political parties to participate in debates, and that was accompanied by corruption rates shrink in two. So, the corruption level is definetly corresponds with the black markes and may be eliminated by democratic changes and/or law enforcement.