People's Republic of The Communist Bloc

[Zenya]

You're nitpicking. Obviously, I'm referring to the region's foreign and military policies, and it's pretty clear that you are in fact in charge of them. I don't care if you have separation of powers, checks and balances, etc. Good for you, but that isn't the nature of the point I'm making. I'm not here to criticize your government or how it's structured, I'm criticizing the fact that you are driving external policy, and noting that leftist regions are right to keep their distance while that's the case. You are an imperialist dressed in red.

The proof is in the fact that you're working with Libertatem and The Communist Bloc has been engaging in raids not against the enemies of socialism, but against socialist regions. Other than the trappings of socialism, there is nothing particularly leftist about this region from the perspective of an outsider watching its external affairs.

*sigh*

Cormac, with every single post you continue to show how uninformed you are on TCB-related matters...

We are not working with Libertatem, if you were up to date on anything other than talking points against TCB, you would have read about our policy shift nearly a month ago. TCB has never had an alliance with Libertatem, we worked on a single, I repeat, single operation. After which we stopped talking for 2 months (literally, never got a telegram after that 1 operation). I issued a resolution on TCB-Libertatem relations, ceasing all support for their operations, closing our embassies with them, and committing TCB to cooperating with leftist regions, an idea brought forth to me by those in the 3 Anti-Zennyism parties TCB currently holds within its borders.

[Zenya]

Even the "trappings" of socialism that they use are window dressings rooted in offensive anti-communist propaganda about cults of personality ("dear leader", etc.) that don't exist in any of the leftist regions in NS. Not even North Korea, where I imagine most people would expect such titles and personal pomposity, uses anything of the sort.

Ehh, this "cult" you people keep talking about is nothing more than the people showing their affection and admiration towards me, I've extended an open invitation to everyone to actually come and be apart of TCB to see the reality of what we are like. If you actually ask the people, even the ones who are very strongly opposed to Zennyism, they will tell you that I am a very fair and affectionate leader. I love the people and I can only hope they love me back. Even the people I fight with on policy matters day after day are my very close friends. We are a very empathetic and kind community who puts politics second to comradeship. We take in people from all over who don't feel like they fit in and give them a place to call home where they are appreciated and valued.

[Misley]

I'm quite sick of this idea that Democracy and Liberalism cannot exist in socialism or communism. I reject that and so do many others. Your personal definition of leftism, socialism, or communism is yours alone and many people would disagree with you. We can have liberties and be socialist and leftist. We can hold free and open elections and be socialist and leftist. We can give our citizens basic rights and still be socialist and leftist.

Now who doesn't know anything about the other's region?

The Internationale operates on democratic consensus. Our Comrade WA Delegate is elected by a democratic vote. All embassies are voted on by all members of the region. The prohibition on fascist and capitalist membership was passed by democratic consensus.

Democracy is not absent from socialism. The belief that you can only have democracy or freedoms in a liberal system and then call that "socialism" is... helplessly naive.

[Zenya]

Ehh well I'm sick of talking to you, Misley. This was a nice and positive thread until you shoved yourself into it for attention. Congrats, I took your bait. Now kindly bugger off.

[Cormac Stark]

*sigh*

Cormac, with every single post you continue to show how uninformed you are on TCB-related matters...

We are not working with Libertatem, if you were up to date on anything other than talking points against TCB, you would have read about our policy shift nearly a month ago. TCB has never had an alliance with Libertatem, we worked on a single, I repeat, single operation. After which we stopped talking for 2 months (literally, never got a telegram after that 1 operation). I issued a resolution on TCB-Libertatem relations, ceasing all support for their operations, closing our embassies with them, and committing TCB to cooperating with leftist regions, an idea brought forth to me by those in the 3 Anti-Zennyism parties TCB currently holds within its borders.

Yes, I'm aware that you did that. You've said that multiple times in this thread. Nonetheless, as much as you would like to pretend it doesn't matter, you did that after you did this:

The People's Revolutionary Armed Forces in a large show of force has aided massively in the capture & occupation of Congress of Armed Proletarian States (CAPS). With the help of Libertatem & Glorious Nations of Iwaku, we have pushed forward and now stand at over 40 endorsements. Allies of Libertatem including REATO members were called in as well, contributing 13 soldiers, matching the Bloc's 13.

Why should leftist regions work with a so-called communist region that thought it was ever a good idea to work with Libertatem to invade and occupy another leftist region? You can downplay this as just one fluke occurrence, but it's not like you raided some random, unaffiliated region with Libertatem. You raided another leftist region and helped Libertatem, however briefly, advance their anti-socialist agenda.

[Misley]

Ehh well I'm sick of talking to you, Misley. This was a nice and positive thread until you shoved yourself into it for attention. Congrats, I took your bait. Now kindly bugger off.

I came into it for attention? That might just be the most ridiculously hypocritical thing you've posted in this entire thread.

I'm not the one who styles himself "Dear Leader" and built up an entire region with a cult of personality around himself. I don't plaster pictures of myself all over my region and have a "first family" that revolves around me and my friends. I don't have "Anti-Misleyist" parties that form in TI because I don't shove my personal ideology into regional politics.

Besides, Gameplay doesn't have thread ownership.

[Zenya]

I never said it didn't matter. I publicly apologized to my people and admitted to making an incorrect judgement call as President. Cormac, you simply do not understand the context of historical events, why they happened, or what happened during them. You can't just suddenly come out of nowhere and be an expert on TCB matters, just as I am not an expert on your failed project Camelot.

Just like with Misley, I have no interest in talking to you unless its to expand on your claim that I conspired with Kraken to have Osiris not invited to the Independence Conference.

[Zenya]

Ehh well I'm sick of talking to you, Misley. This was a nice and positive thread until you shoved yourself into it for attention. Congrats, I took your bait. Now kindly bugger off.

I came into it for attention? That might just be the most ridiculously hypocritical thing you've posted in this entire thread.

I'm not the one who styles himself "Dear Leader" and built up an entire region with a cult of personality around himself. I don't plaster pictures of myself all over my region and have a "first family" that revolves around me and my friends. I don't have "Anti-Misleyist" parties that form in TI because I don't shove my personal ideology into regional politics.

Besides, Gameplay doesn't have thread ownership.

Herself*

Nothing wrong with my pictures. I think most nations in real life have first families, and most if not all well developed regions with active forums have families.

I just wish you hadn't come along trying to ruin the positive vibe of this thread.

[MSLuvsZenya]

Keep whining about TCB's foreign policy, guys. Meanwhile we'll keep building up our growing alliances with the largest and most influential regions in NS. But clearly we have no idea what we're doing.

[Misley]

Keep whining about TCB's foreign policy, guys. Meanwhile we'll keep building up our growing alliances with the largest and most influential regions in NS. But clearly we have no idea what we're doing.

Congrats. No one is saying you have no idea what you're doing. We're saying you're not communists.

My main objection here is to you saying that you've reached out to The Red Fleet to bridge gaps. That hasn't happened in any meaningful way, so I'd prefer you stop using our name to ingratiate yourself to other leftist organizations and regions.

[MSLuvsZenya]

It's not a mortal sin to not be a communist. You're only upset because the word "communist" is in the title of our region. Believe us, if we could edit region titles we probably would. Being fanatically communist in NS is practically a death sentence for most communities, gameplay-wise. I refer to the wholesale impotence of the entire self-styled "NS Left" community, which frequently pays lip service to "leftist unity" in between splintering off into more and more fractured micro-communities (how many mass exoduses from "The" Communist Region have there been?). We don't wanna be like you, and we get it - you don't wanna be like us. But only one of us is carrying on a fruitless holy war against the other, and it's been getting old for awhile now.

[Misley]

It's not a mortal sin to not be a communist. You're only upset because the word "communist" is in the title of our region. Believe us, if we could edit region titles we probably would. Being fanatically communist in NS is practically a death sentence for most communities, gameplay-wise. I refer to the wholesale impotence of the entire self-styled "NS Left" community, which frequently pays lip service to "leftist unity" in between splintering off into more and more fractured micro-communities (how many mass exoduses from "The" Communist Region have there been?). We don't wanna be like you, and we get it - you don't wanna be like us. But only one of us is carrying on a fruitless holy war against the other, and it's been getting old for awhile now.

That's not the reason I (or anyone else on the left) is upset, and if you really think that, then you're not as bright as you think you are.

If you so desperately dislike the NS Left community, stop trying to get on our good side, and definitely stop using the name of The Red Fleet to try and do so.

[Anders Blakewood]

It's not a mortal sin to not be a communist. You're only upset because the word "communist" is in the title of our region. Believe us, if we could edit region titles we probably would. Being fanatically communist in NS is practically a death sentence for most communities, gameplay-wise. I refer to the wholesale impotence of the entire self-styled "NS Left" community, which frequently pays lip service to "leftist unity" in between splintering off into more and more fractured micro-communities (how many mass exoduses from "The" Communist Region have there been?). We don't wanna be like you, and we get it - you don't wanna be like us. But only one of us is carrying on a fruitless holy war against the other, and it's been getting old for awhile now.

That's not the reason I (or anyone else on the left) is upset, and if you really think that, then you're not as bright as you think you are.

If you so desperately dislike the NS Left community, stop trying to get on our good side, and definitely stop using the name of The Red Fleet to try and do so.

This isn't helping anyone.

[TCB Central News Agency]

News From The Bloc!
Notable headlines taken directly from local TCB Central News Agency coverage, January 6th to January 14th.

• January 14th ~ Polls open tomorrow for the by-election to fill the single vacant seat on the Assembly Council of the People's Democratic Assembly. There is a crowded field for the post, with 7 current candidates. Multiple candidates have set up campaigns to show the people their plans if elected and all have received positive feedback and questions from the public. Detailed campaigns are a sign of good political development in the region whereas prior people rarely took the time to form campaigns while seeking office.
  
  
  
  
• January 14th ~ On January 19th the Ministry of Education will open its inter-regional event known as "The Great Exhibition". The event will celebrate the cultivation of knowledge within our borders and all embassies will be sent proper invitation via the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Events planned include guest lectures, debates, music & movie nights, games, and even role play events. The festival is planned to run from January 19th to January 28th.
  
  
  
  
• January 12th ~ Our Great Leader's piece "Socialism Our Way: 120 Days of Zennyism in The Communist Bloc" has been published by Balder's state news service The Raven Post. Also included in the issue is an interview with our new Minister of Foreign Affairs Comrade Anders Blakewood. The article can be found here: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=326894
  
  
  
• January 12th (Zennyist Art) ~
  
  
  
  
• January 10th ~ Graphics have been made to show our regional success under the guidance of the Great Leader and Zennyism!
  
  
  
  
  
• January 8th ~ The traitor known as 'Vyssi Brod' was deleted Wednesday by NS moderators for reasons unknown. It was discovered that this was apart of a much large scheme to subvert our democracy through fake accounts, multiple IP use, and lying on citizenship applications. 'Vyssi', otherwise known is Lipno, was apart of an organized anti-Zennyist movement aimed at sowing discontent within our region, with the end goal being impeachment of our Dear Leader. An investigation is ongoing with whom all is involved in this serious aggression against our Republic directly after positive negotiations with Das Kommune. The Dear Leader President Zenny has taken instant action on the matter, banning 'Vyssi' from the forum. 'Vyssi' made claims that The Leftist Union has "over 10" spies within our borders, a claim the Great General deemed unrealistic. A representative from The Leftist Union has apologized for the acts of Vyssi, and the apology was accepted by President Zenny. Her full statement on the event can be found here: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=350918
  
  
  
• January 8th ~ The Republic has gone over 550 resident nations, surprising members who believed we would begin to plateau around 500. This is thanks to a multiple number of factors including the recent fundraising of stamps and the continued dedication of Immigration Minister MSLuvsZenya, the 1st Son of the Dear Leader.
  
  
  
• January 8th ~ The Vice President & WA Delegate Westnesia now has over 100 WA endorsements, a major success for our regional safety and strength. This comes after multiple campaigns by the Great Leader President Zenny to increase the WA endorsement rate, from nearly 27% in October to over 70% currently.
  
  
  
• January 6th ~ The Shining Sun of Zennyism President Zenny has appointed Comrade Anders Blakewood as Minister of Foreign Affairs, representing our Republic on the world stage. Comrade Anders has experience across the world, ranging from Ainur, Europeia and Great Britain and Eire. This means that for the first time in nearly 2 months, the Cabinet is once again full and can begin operating more efficiently. The announcement can be found here!
  
  
  
• January 6th ~ The Great Leader President Zenny has been invited by Balder Statsminister The Iron Rebel to an official state visit to the Realm of Balder on behalf of Her Majesty Queen Solorni. This comes after multiple private discussions on establishing strong ties between our Republic and Balder. As we ally with other regions that value Independent values and practices, we become stronger and more relevant on the world stage by the day.
  
  

[The Rainbow Collective]

From here: viewtopic.php?p=23180523#p23180523

So The Communist Bloc is fine with invading other leftist regions as long as you determine them irrelevant? And you just arbitrarily invade regions for no reason other than they're founderless and if they didn't want to be invaded they shouldn't be founderless?

Newsflash, that makes you invader, or at best imperialist, not Communist or any other shade of leftist. The left isn't just anti-fascist and anti-capitalist, it's anti-imperialist as well, and there is nothing at all leftist about The Communist Bloc. You're just invading regions for no reason except that you can.

[Zenya]

So The Communist Bloc is fine with invading other leftist regions as long as you determine them irrelevant? And you just arbitrarily invade regions for no reason other than they're founderless and if they didn't want to be invaded they shouldn't be founderless?

We don't, but others do. FYI, we didn't invade it, UIAF did. You obviously don't even know what's going on xD You're just throwing out key words and rhetoric haha ^_^ Its very amusing.

Newsflash, that makes you invader, or at best imperialist, not Communist or any other shade of leftist. The left isn't just anti-fascist and anti-capitalist, it's anti-imperialist as well, and there is nothing at all leftist about The Communist Bloc. You're just invading regions for no reason except that you can.

Lol, again, we didn't invade. Learn what actually is going on, Rainbow. Because right now you are painfully ignorant of the facts.

[Easingtonshire]

Newsflash, that makes you invader, or at best imperialist, not Communist or any other shade of leftist. The left isn't just anti-fascist and anti-capitalist, it's anti-imperialist as well, and there is nothing at all leftist about The Communist Bloc. You're just invading regions for no reason except that you can.

Since when is invading mutually exclusive to being Left wing anyway? Who are you to decide whether TCB is Leftist? Who decides whether invader = right wing? Who made you an authority on this? Feel free to send me the memo.

[Valrifell]

So The Communist Bloc is fine with invading other leftist regions as long as you determine them irrelevant? And you just arbitrarily invade regions for no reason other than they're founderless and if they didn't want to be invaded they shouldn't be founderless?

We don't, but others do. FYI, we didn't invade it, UIAF did. You obviously don't even know what's going on xD You're just throwing out key words and rhetoric haha ^_^ Its very amusing.

Newsflash, that makes you invader, or at best imperialist, not Communist or any other shade of leftist. The left isn't just anti-fascist and anti-capitalist, it's anti-imperialist as well, and there is nothing at all leftist about The Communist Bloc. You're just invading regions for no reason except that you can.

Lol, again, we didn't invade. Learn what actually is going on, Rainbow. Because right now you are painfully ignorant of the facts.

You're ignoring the points made by Rainbow and instead assume, that because he said "invaded" instead of "supported" that his entire agreement is irrelevant. Which it's not. The basic point is still there, you still said that founderless regions deserve to be raided, you still worked with Imperialist allies, you still have a history of raiding for the sake of raiding without any political connotstion.

While those viewpoints are not inherently bad or flawed, it still stands that TCB is not a member of the conventional NS Left regions. Which may or may not be an entirely bad thing.

[Misley]

"We didn't invade it, UIAF did. We totally had nothing to do with the raid, except for the part where we're endorsing the lead and given a shoutout on the WFE."

I guess it's just a pedantic distinction, but it's not Rainbow who looks painfully ignorant of the facts when you insist that you didn't invade. You might not have organized it or provided updaters, but you're absolutely invading.

Newsflash, that makes you invader, or at best imperialist, not Communist or any other shade of leftist. The left isn't just anti-fascist and anti-capitalist, it's anti-imperialist as well, and there is nothing at all leftist about The Communist Bloc. You're just invading regions for no reason except that you can.

Since when is invading mutually exclusive to being Left wing anyway? Who are you to decide whether TCB is Leftist? Who decides whether invader = right wing? Who made you an authority on this? Feel free to send me the memo.

It's pretty obvious to everyone in the left that TCB isn't leftist, given their support for the DK raid, their support for the North Korea condemnation that was written by Libertatem, their collusion with Libertatem to raid CAPS, and now this.

[Zenya]

you still said that founderless regions deserve to be raided

Please link me where I said that, because that is a lie. I said that people should not be shocked and pout when they are invaded because they are founderless. If you are founderless, you should either plan to defend against a raid or move because more times than not, its going to happen and its so common that its basically a fact of life in this game. I stand by that.

[Comrade Anders Blakewood]

Ignoring your labels and attempted insults, what is so wrong with TCB carving our own way and path? Why must we alter our foreign affairs outlook, military alignment, or internal/foreign policy for another region or group of regions? TCB is strong, sovereign, and will resist all attempts of critics to try to change or influence our policies or our sovereignty. TCB has reached out has reached out to leftist regions for peace negotiations and our attempts were mocked and ignored, we will not have our time wasted any longer. If any region wants to approach TCB for peace, we are open, but we will not change our politics, policies, viewpoints, or alignment to please ANY region.

Frankly, any region or individual that continues to waste our time in a way like this is irrelevant.

[Zenya]

their support for the North Korea condemnation

Actually you're completely wrong. 94% of TCB voted against the condemnation AND our WA Delegate voted Against it. We were one of the LARGEST votes against that resolution and FOR its repeal. Again, you're just tossing out rhetoric you've heard.

[Valrifell]

you still said that founderless regions deserve to be raided

Please link me where I said that, because that is a lie. I said that people should not be shocked and pout when they are invaded because they are founderless. If you are founderless, you should either plan to defend against a raid or move because more times than not, its going to happen and its so common that its basically a fact of life in this game. I stand by that.

Sorry for the unintentional misquote, I didn't feel like going out of my way to quite it exactly and realise that I misinterpreted it due to me admittedly skimming most threads.

[Misley]

Ignoring your labels and attempted insults, what is so wrong with TCB carving our own way and path? Why must we alter our foreign affairs outlook, military alignment, or internal/foreign policy for another region or group of regions? TCB is strong, sovereign, and will resist all attempts of critics to try to change or influence our policies or our sovereignty. TCB has reached out has reached out to leftist regions for peace negotiations and our attempts were mocked and ignored, we will not have our time wasted any longer. If any region wants to approach TCB for peace, we are open, but we will not change our politics, policies, viewpoints, or alignment to please ANY region.

Frankly, any region or individual that continues to waste our time in a way like this is irrelevant.

Gee, I wonder why your attempts are mocked and ignored when you have a track record of attacking leftist regions? Were you really so naive to believe that we'd suddenly forget that when you made grand overtures of reaching out to the left and "broke ties" with Libertatem?

You can be sovereign all you want and carve your own way all you want. You don't have to alter anything. But you're not leftists. Just add the Monarchist tag and be done with it, since that's what your region really is - Balder/TNI/LKE/Albion-lite dressed up in shades of red.

[Easingtonshire]

Since when is invading mutually exclusive to being Left wing anyway? Who are you to decide whether TCB is Leftist? Who decides whether invader = right wing? Who made you an authority on this? Feel free to send me the memo.

It's pretty obvious to everyone in the left that TCB isn't leftist, given their support for the DK raid, their support for the North Korea condemnation that was written by Libertatem, their collusion with Libertatem to raid CAPS, and now this.

Okay, and who put you in charge of deciding who is and isn't Leftist?

Don't you think the hundreds of left-leaning nations in TCB say otherwise.