Anyone else here sick of TBR?

[Lord Nuke Is So Kewl]

All it takes is having non-exec WA, but, apparently that's too difficult for you natives. Raiding is fun you should try it, and it's not like we do any damage to your region. Everything we do is easily reversed so what's the problem? Complaining will ensure we come back again.

You realize that TBR will most likely hit you guys a lot more now that you said this, right?

Indeed we will.

[San-Silvacian]

I always knew TBR were made up of those who loved schadenfreude.

"Its fun for me! Get over it and quit being a pussy!"

Man I wish I could be so hardcore like TBR.

[Acharastan]

Hm, i'm pretty sure they did something about that to stop raiders. Some sort of... password or.... non executive or something....

[Gjulich]

To me, I think that the entire system of appointing a WA delegate needs to be re-vamped. Sure, this may cause other problems, but if the founder of a region were to accept the person who has the most endorsements as delegate instead of automatically choosing, or even make it a choice to do that or to have the vanilla settings, would let regions who do not like being raided be free of raiders. Just my opinion.

[Centenniality]

Well, for my region, I'm the founder and the delegate. And I also imposed a password I change constantly.

I love watching everything go down in the undefended regions, and then them getting mad about it because they didn't take simple things and put them into action.

[Wetwork XIII]

Last time I tried talking about this in an individual thread it got combined with the main TBR thread, which in itself is bothersome since that thread seems to be more pro-TBR than anything.

Well it is OUR THREAD, so you may find that to be the case.

As to your other concerns, I am beyond tired of this same old whining. There are perfectly accessible tools and mechanisms to stop this from happening. Why in the nine hells you and others like you find it easier to create a thread to cry on is beyond me. Some do indeed have legitimate issues regarding security. Given that you are not one of them I would suggest learning how to read, applying that skill to the NS FAQ and sorting yourself out.

And as to this pathetic ascribing motives to us though the voice of frustration and butt hurt? It's an indulgence of the worst sort- blaming all your ills on us, lamenting our lack of souls/intelligence/etc, and then carrying on as if your inventions of our motivation is correct! Lunacy.
Founder=safety. If you honestly can't work that out, then I'd suggest a more graphics based game.

[Centenniality]

Last time I tried talking about this in an individual thread it got combined with the main TBR thread, which in itself is bothersome since that thread seems to be more pro-TBR than anything.

Well it is OUR THREAD, so you may find that to be the case.

As to your other concerns, I am beyond tired of this same old whining. There are perfectly accessible tools and mechanisms to stop this from happening. Why in the nine hells you and others like you find it easier to create a thread to cry on is beyond me. Some do indeed have legitimate issues regarding security. Given that you are not one of them I would suggest learning how to read, applying that skill to the NS FAQ and sorting yourself out.

And as to this pathetic ascribing motives to us though the voice of frustration and butt hurt? It's an indulgence of the worst sort- blaming all your ills on us, lamenting our lack of souls/intelligence/etc, and then carrying on as if your inventions of our motivation is correct! Lunacy.
Founder=safety. If you honestly can't work that out, then I'd suggest a more graphics based game.

[The Sapientia]

To me, I think that the entire system of appointing a WA delegate needs to be re-vamped. Sure, this may cause other problems, but if the founder of a region were to accept the person who has the most endorsements as delegate instead of automatically choosing, or even make it a choice to do that or to have the vanilla settings, would let regions who do not like being raided be free of raiders. Just my opinion.

You do understand that we only raid founderless regions right?

[Gjulich]

To me, I think that the entire system of appointing a WA delegate needs to be re-vamped. Sure, this may cause other problems, but if the founder of a region were to accept the person who has the most endorsements as delegate instead of automatically choosing, or even make it a choice to do that or to have the vanilla settings, would let regions who do not like being raided be free of raiders. Just my opinion.

You do understand that we only raid founderless regions right?

Seems to me that you don't 'only raid founderless regions'. Are you part of TBR? If yes, then I can clearly see a founder in the League of Christian Nations. If not, and you do, as you say, only raid founderless regions, then I am not aiming my argument at you. I know that raiding occurs in regions with founders, and as such, the methods I have outlined need to be considered.

[Zuborn Isles]

We're all tired of those arrogant idiots.
There's nothing we can do.

[Gjulich]

We're all tired of those arrogant idiots.
There's nothing we can do.

But if we adopted a (voluntary) more efficient method of WA delegate election, then there would be no need to add passwords or make the delegate non-executive, or face the consequences of raiders in every situation.

[Bendicion]

In my point of view as a rider, I am enjoying it.But seeing that we invaded christian regions,makes it hard for me to do it.

[Bendicion]

In my point of view as a rider, I am enjoying it.But seeing that we invaded christian regions,makes it hard for me to do it.

[The Sapientia]

You do understand that we only raid founderless regions right?

Seems to me that you don't 'only raid founderless regions'. Are you part of TBR? If yes, then I can clearly see a founder in the League of Christian Nations. If not, and you do, as you say, only raid founderless regions, then I am not aiming my argument at you. I know that raiding occurs in regions with founders, and as such, the methods I have outlined need to be considered.

Raiding =/= Tagging
What TBR did was a tag. These are temporary, and doesn't mean anything.

[Gjulich]

Seems to me that you don't 'only raid founderless regions'. Are you part of TBR? If yes, then I can clearly see a founder in the League of Christian Nations. If not, and you do, as you say, only raid founderless regions, then I am not aiming my argument at you. I know that raiding occurs in regions with founders, and as such, the methods I have outlined need to be considered.

Raiding =/= Tagging
What TBR did was a tag. These are temporary, and doesn't mean anything.

Well it seems to have the same overall effect as raiding, just on a lesser extent - annoying the heck out of people. And that is what I oppose. Because, whatever labels you give it, it is effectively trolling. Annoying others for enjoyment.

[Zaolat]

Raiding =/= Tagging
What TBR did was a tag. These are temporary, and doesn't mean anything.

Well it seems to have the same overall effect as raiding, just on a lesser extent - annoying the heck out of people. And that is what I oppose. Because, whatever labels you give it, it is effectively trolling. Annoying others for enjoyment.

Well, if was a native I'd rather hope that if I got invaded at all it would be a tag, those piles can wreck a region. Be glad you didn't get piled.

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Raiding is a component of the game. Don't like it? Get some friends and make a password protected region where the founder maintains absolute control.

[Gjulich]

Well it seems to have the same overall effect as raiding, just on a lesser extent - annoying the heck out of people. And that is what I oppose. Because, whatever labels you give it, it is effectively trolling. Annoying others for enjoyment.

Well, if was a native I'd rather hope that if I got invaded at all it would be a tag, those piles can wreck a region. Be glad you didn't get piled.

My point is this - why do innocent, unsuspecting regions need to be subjected to raiding or invading at all?

[Gjulich]

Raiding is a component of the game. Don't like it? Get some friends and make a password protected region where the founder maintains absolute control.

"Lock the doors, bar the windows, keep the kids indoors and seem anti-social, because here we go, having a dictatorial region run by those who are afraid of the hordes of NS."
No thanks. That doesn't sound too appealing.

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Raiding is a component of the game. Don't like it? Get some friends and make a password protected region where the founder maintains absolute control.

"Lock the doors, bar the windows, keep the kids indoors and seem anti-social, because here we go, having a dictatorial region run by those who are afraid of the hordes of NS."
No thanks. That doesn't sound too appealing.

Well then the alternative is to suck it up and deal with raiders. There are also defenders who have fun expelling raiders from your region out there.

[Rifty]

TBR - ah the name gives me the willies. They just sicken me. Blerg. They are always wrecking and ralphing...

It's not fair to us good ol' roleplayers. We always get hurt!

DOWN WITH RAIDERS! DOWN WITH THE BLACK RIDERS!

[Gjulich]

"Lock the doors, bar the windows, keep the kids indoors and seem anti-social, because here we go, having a dictatorial region run by those who are afraid of the hordes of NS."
No thanks. That doesn't sound too appealing.

Well then the alternative is to suck it up and deal with raiders. There are also defenders who have fun expelling raiders from your region out there.

So, the choices for a newly-founded region are to be invaded or to become antisocial and lose more members than they gain? Which is the lesser of two evils, and why choose them when there could be a better way? I understand your point - that it is a game mechanic that some find pleasure in, but it annoys the heck out of most people.

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Well then the alternative is to suck it up and deal with raiders. There are also defenders who have fun expelling raiders from your region out there.

So, the choices for a newly-founded region are to be invaded or to become antisocial and lose more members than they gain? Which is the lesser of two evils, and why choose them when there could be a better way? I understand your point - that it is a game mechanic that some find pleasure in, but it annoys the heck out of most people.

I don't see why protected regions are considered antisocial. Plenty of regions are composed of RPers with similar interests, such as MT/Realism or their own world in an FT or PT setting or just a common ideology. It's not hard for an active founder to take a minute to review a new nation's entry and let them in.

[Gjulich]

So, the choices for a newly-founded region are to be invaded or to become antisocial and lose more members than they gain? Which is the lesser of two evils, and why choose them when there could be a better way? I understand your point - that it is a game mechanic that some find pleasure in, but it annoys the heck out of most people.

I don't see why protected regions are considered antisocial. Plenty of regions are composed of RPers with similar interests, such as MT/Realism or their own world in an FT or PT setting or just a common ideology. It's not hard for an active founder to take a minute to review a new nation's entry and let them in.

When I founded this nation, back from the grave of another nation from over half-a-year ago, I knew that I would get many requests for me to join a region.
The thing is, this dog-eat-dog politics which is the by-product of raiding and invading causes regional capitalism and imperialism. When I got the requests, they were the same few faces, those who have enough member-nations to keep away moderately sized raider hordes. Where are the younger regions? Sure, I can see them later, but they miss out on the initial phase, where the new player initially gets to choose a region, which may even decide their fate as a player on this forum. And maybe, just maybe, the region wants to be open, but it cannot be because of the raider hordes?
And as for non-executive WA delegates, well, what's the point of being WA delegate if you don't have the power? And then, what's the point of the endorsements, or the WA itself?

[Rikatan]

Eh. Trolling/griefing isn't fun for the victims, only for the trolls themselves. Don't like being trolled? Don't play the game. Gameside has always been like that, the only reason people use it is because other people use it.
That's how most stuff gets popular. Pop music is another example, if you need a comparison.

Also, if you don't agree with me defining TBR's actions as trolling, explain why they always try to prove they're stupid. For example, read the message they post on every region's WFE. 'This region was no match for a charge by TBR!' or something. Then note how the region always has less than 10 people. I've never seen an important/major region get invaded by these guys, they probably wouldn't be able to handle more than 15 people.
When my region changed names, the region we left behind was invaded right after we left it. These guys aren't bad imo, they only invade regions that no one is in anymore. Like emo garbage truck dudes!