Anyone else here sick of TBR?

[The Sapientia]

TBR raids bigger regions. They just happen to do mostly tagging. And I believe their boasting is more about how many of those regions they get at once rather than the fact that they have that amount of members.

But that's just..... so stupid. I mean, they barely raid any regions with actual people. They might as well create regions and put that WFE entry in them.

I'm sad for those few regions that have people, and are still raided.

Please...
Educate yourself about the Riders before making stupid comments.

[Tramiar]

Ixnay
The Silver Isles

Two very recent raids that had 70+ nations before TBR hit them.

We can name countless others if you like.

Thank you! You have proven my point!

I am not sure exactly what your point is.

[Rikatan]

But that's just..... so stupid. I mean, they barely raid any regions with actual people. They might as well create regions and put that WFE entry in them.

I'm sad for those few regions that have people, and are still raided.

Agreed. It is a terrible waste of everyone's time.

Except for the raiders. They don't realize what they're doing.

If you can believe it, TBR actually 'held our region hostage' and blackmailed us into getting it back only if we leave them as founders! They didn't realize that no one actually wanted the region, and tried negotiating for a region they raided a long time after it was abandoned.

Rather idiotic analogy~

Tags can be reversed - being hit can't. This is a game - that's real life. If you feel raiding is similar to hitting someone; bring me your face because I'll do both if you want.

As you probably realize, it's still hurting someone. Griefing is not something that is appreciated by most people.

If you want to ban raiding because it destroys and disrupts...ban Roleplays. I've seen Roleplays where genocide happens...how is that any better than be tagging a region filled with inactive puppets?

In Roleplays, you may hurt people that are not real. As you probably realize, you and I are real, a character from our imagination is not.
Everything that happens in Roleplays is consented by all players. Not the same can be said about raiding.

I see nothing wrong with raiding regions with no people. But I've seen large regions invaded, too. And there is no reason for that except for annoying others.

But that's just..... so stupid. I mean, they barely raid any regions with actual people. They might as well create regions and put that WFE entry in them.

I'm sad for those few regions that have people, and are still raided.

Please...
Educate yourself about the Riders before making stupid comments.

'Educating myself' about a topic like this would be ironical.

[Rifty]

Ixnay
The Silver Isles

Two very recent raids that had 70+ nations before TBR hit them.

We can name countless others if you like.

Thank you! You have proven my point!

You are aware you reside in an imperialist region?

[Gjulich]

Thank you! You have proven my point!

I am not sure exactly what your point is.

You do understand that we only raid founderless regions right?

And apparently...

Raiding =/= Tagging
What TBR did was a tag. These are temporary, and doesn't mean anything.

Which is flimsy logic anyway.

You are aware you reside in an imperialist region?

Meh. I don't care. I may as well move soon anyway. Not getting much out of it.

[Rifty]

I am not sure exactly what your point is.

You do understand that we only raid founderless regions right?

And apparently...

Raiding =/= Tagging
What TBR did was a tag. These are temporary, and doesn't mean anything.

Which is flimsy logic anyway.

You are aware you reside in an imperialist region?

Meh. I don't care. I may as well move soon anyway. Not getting much out of it.

Well until you leave...I think it's rather stupid of you making these comments. "Blah blah raiding bad blah blah unjust world blah I reside in a raiding region"

[Gjulich]

And apparently...

Which is flimsy logic anyway.


Meh. I don't care. I may as well move soon anyway. Not getting much out of it.

Well until you leave...I think it's rather stupid of you making these comments. "Blah blah raiding bad blah blah unjust world blah I reside in a raiding region"

Oh, I'm so offended. Like I've never been called an idiot before by trolls.
And don't you worry yourself. I moved to that region to see what it was like. I don't care if it does stuff with raiding. Doesn't mean I have to do it. You can play a game but disagree with the rules. You can live in a country and hate the rulers.

[Rikatan]

Well until you leave...I think it's rather stupid of you making these comments. "Blah blah raiding bad blah blah unjust world blah I reside in a raiding region"

People can argue against ideas they believe in, or for ideas they don't believe in. I do that when the other side's arguments are not represented well. As long as you're not biased, it works well.

Changing his region wouldn't make him more right/wrong.

[Fire Eaters]

My region got tagged by TBR also...

[Velyra]

You know, your story very much reminds me of how Defending first got started. A few natives got raided repeatedly, got sick of it and decided to fight back. They banded together to forum groups like ALL and MASS, which evolved in the RLA and ADN, groups that even the two most prominent, if very inactive, modern day Defender alliances, FRA and UDL, can claim links to. Of course, RLA and ADN were actually somewhat feared and skilled opponents, so that's where the similarity between the old and the new stop.

My advice to you is follow in the footsteps of your predecessors. Go grass roots and ignore the ineffective and inactive Defender alliances of today.

Or you can be like quite a number of RPers and just whine that "raiding is legalized griefing" and everything is terrible and nothing can be done about it. That seems to be working out really well so far.

I very much agree. The most effective defenders that I have ever seen were the ones who were willing to completely eradicate a raiding entity using the tools at their disposal. With no comment on whether or not they were morally right to do so, they imposed a harsh price for the act of raiding and brought fear to the raiding community. Were I a native in a position of vulnerability, I would much prefer them to be my defenders.

The same thing roleplayers get from Roleplays...pleasure

It's exciting getting 32 successful tags in an update because your highest was 31. It's exciting when you are executing a 3 month long sleeper in a region. The butterflies in your stomache...it's different

I myself am not a updater (meaning you won't hear of me much) but I know the pleasure we raiders pull from it.

Very few regions do you enjoy the destruction of...you are enjoying getting there; not the outcome.

Hopefully it makes sense

Some people do very much enjoy the process of destroying things, be they regions, forums, their opponent's careers, etc. Some, of course, do not. Raiders, like other groupings of people, can be either, dependent on the person and situation for even those who endorse the most vicious kinds of play will not always engage in them, and even those who prefer to be merciful will often have at least some instances of tremendous ruthlessness.

Just putting this out there to be answered as you wish. What do raiders actually gain from raiding?

I personally find R/D to be a bore (with the occasional exception) and could care less about it generally speaking, but it is how people choose to play the game. Since it's legal, if you don't like it, find other ways to put a stop to it (you won't succeed in full, but if you are creative, you can potentially affect the situation).

[Tramiar]

And apparently...

Which is flimsy logic anyway.


Meh. I don't care. I may as well move soon anyway. Not getting much out of it.

Well until you leave...I think it's rather stupid of you making these comments. "Blah blah raiding bad blah blah unjust world blah I reside in a raiding region"

I don't know anything about his region, but it doesn't seem to be a "raiding region" so much as "region that sometimes raids". According to the region, it also does roleplay and things such as that. So I'm not seeing why it'd be a big deal he's saying anything about raiding. If he were to join TBH or TBR or some other region that really is a "raiding region" and talk like that, I'd see your point. But in this case, not so much.

[Union of Kiwi Socialists]

Am I sick of them? Well, not really no. It's apart of the game, and if your region isn't interested in playing raider/defender then password protected or don't give the WA executive powers.

[The Ivory Warriors]

I am tired of them, and raiders in general, using the SC for raiding

[Scepez]

Am I sick of them? Well, not really no. It's apart of the game, and if your region isn't interested in playing raider/defender then password protected or don't give the WA executive powers.

Yes, tell that to the founderless regions, and watch their passwords get removed by SC "liberations"

[Rifty]

OP - change the name of this thread to "Tagged Anonymous"

It's a huge circle jerk of "raiders touched me"

[Dunedin University]

Am I sick of them? Well, not really no. It's apart of the game, and if your region isn't interested in playing raider/defender then password protected or don't give the WA executive powers.

Yes, tell that to the founderless regions, and watch their passwords get removed by SC "liberations"

The organize a refound, it's been done before

[Scepez]

Yes, tell that to the founderless regions, and watch their passwords get removed by SC "liberations"

The organize a refound, it's been done before

True, but in some cases they can be prevented.

But seriously, to the people that got raided, your best bet is to probably go somewhere safe (If you got banjected) until your region is liberated, or in most cases wait until they leave and the new WAD removes you from the banlist.

[Gjulich]

OP - change the name of this thread to "Tagged Anonymous"

It's a huge circle jerk of "raiders touched me"

Maybe less of the sadistic comments? Doing my head in.

Yes, tell that to the founderless regions, and watch their passwords get removed by SC "liberations"

The organize a refound, it's been done before

So, the fact that we should have to do that in that situation isn't concern enough?

[Rifty]

OP - change the name of this thread to "Tagged Anonymous"

It's a huge circle jerk of "raiders touched me"

Maybe less of the sadistic comments? Doing my head in.

The organize a refound, it's been done before

So, the fact that we should have to do that in that situation isn't concern enough?

So sadistic comments and raiders both piss you off?

[Gjulich]

Maybe less of the sadistic comments? Doing my head in.


So, the fact that we should have to do that in that situation isn't concern enough?

So sadistic comments and raiders both piss you off?

Got it! I can deal with them, just it makes you look bad, not me.

[Rifty]

So sadistic comments and raiders both piss you off?

Got it! I can deal with them, just it makes you look bad, not me.

My reputation isn't something you should worry about mate - I got that well under control...read my signature

[The Republic of Merrimont]

There just raiders nothing more nothing less and they will always be here

[Lord Nuke Is So Kewl]

Well, if was a native I'd rather hope that if I got invaded at all it would be a tag, those piles can wreck a region. Be glad you didn't get piled.

My point is this - why do innocent, unsuspecting regions need to be subjected to raiding or invading at all?

Because it's fun and our fun comes at your expense.

[Coraxion]

Cute thread. I've sometimes planned "raids" against non-executive delegates in a regions where founder is alive and delegate access barred.

Of course, such "raids" cannot do any damage to anything else then the regional history of a regions and what would be more amusing: Ending maybe years long reigns of petty native non-executive delegates. Amazingly even these kind pseudo-raiding could hurt natives a lot, for some reasons I cannot understand. However, it would be nice arrange competition between raider organisations: How many years of reigns of a non-executive delegates combined your raider organisation can end during a single update.

Then We all list our results. Then we laugh when natives begin once again cry same old cries. I'm sure this idea would work as desired, even there actually would not been happen any kind raiding activity at all, strictly speaking.

For those desperate natives who seek fire sure way to make their region safe. Existing Example:

[The United Colonies of Earth]

My point is this - why do innocent, unsuspecting regions need to be subjected to raiding or invading at all?

Because it's fun and our fun comes at your expense.

Sadist and/or psychopath detected.