THE PACIFIC
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THE PACIFIC SENATE
Regent: Rothinzil
Senator of Foreign Affairs: Elegarth
Senator of Pacifican Doctrine: Pierconium
Senator of Internal Affairs: Feux
Senator of the Army: Aleisyr
by The Seeker of Power » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:56 am
by The Seeker of Power » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:57 am
by Onderkelkia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:58 am
The Seeker of Power wrote:The embassy between The Pacific and Osiris will be closed entirely as Osiris seemingly has no interest in continuing relations.
The Seeker of Power wrote:However, the Pacific is disappointed in how the Osiran government chose to construct its declaration of war. The declaration repeatedly invokes the New Pacific Order, by referencing former Senators A Mean Old Man and Karpathos as part of their justification for this war.
by Piano Keys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:42 pm
by Lazaruswillwinthiswar » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:44 pm
by Piano Keys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:58 pm
Lazaruswillwinthiswar wrote:General Operax appreciates NPO support of Lazarus, it won't be forgotten.
by Onderkelkia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:12 pm
Piano Keys wrote:Why are you even replying to this OnderKelkia? Do you even hold an official capacity in Osiris?
Or are you so used to having your hand up Cormac's ass that you think you can speak for him freely now?
by Piano Keys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:28 pm
Onderkelkia wrote:
The more pertinent question, given the NPO statement expressly rides to AMOM's defence, is why AMOM, who had no 'official capacity' in Lazarus, pre-announced ejections from Lazarus, including that of the region's longest-serving recent Delegate, in order to purge members of imperialist regions?
by Onderkelkia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:34 pm
Piano Keys wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:
The more pertinent question, given the NPO statement expressly rides to AMOM's defence, is why AMOM, who had no 'official capacity' in Lazarus, pre-announced ejections from Lazarus, including that of the region's longest-serving recent Delegate, in order to purge members of imperialist regions?
This thread is titled Embassy of the New Pacific Order, not Imperialist Windbag Re-litigates Pointless Dispute.
Piano Keys wrote:By the way, thank you for admitting you are not a citizen of Osiris and yet are preempting the official Osiris response.
Might want to wait to pass Cormac his instructions first.
by Piano Keys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:45 pm
Onderkelkia wrote:
Anyone can comment on relevant issues here - as people routinely make comments in a great number of gameplay threads as private individuals.
The NPO raised the reference to AMOM in the Osiris declaration of war in their statement. It is therefore perfectly legitimate to challenge them on it.
Onderkelkia wrote:One does not have to be an official of Osiris to comment on statements issued by the New Pacific Order.
Are you an official of the NPO? If so, why the mask? If not, are you not pre-empting their replies to me by the standard which you have outlined?
I never claimed to be speaking for Osiris, and therefore 'preempted' nothing.
I have never had any communications with Cormac regarding coordinating posting on the NationStates forum of any kind. I very rarely talk with him.
by Onderkelkia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:01 pm
Piano Keys wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:
Anyone can comment on relevant issues here - as people routinely make comments in a great number of gameplay threads as private individuals.
The NPO raised the reference to AMOM in the Osiris declaration of war in their statement. It is therefore perfectly legitimate to challenge them on it.
The point in the NPO's statement was that they didn't like how the declaration of war was made, in that it invokes the NPO by demeaning former NPO members. Nothing you have said assuages that grievance, you only aggravate it by continuing to implicate them in your mindless obsession with the Lazarus (so-called) purge. You are aggravating the diplomatic dispute here by bringing in non-related matters to further disrupt ties between the GCRs for your own Userite, Imperialist advantage.
To suggest the house of Francos Spain would not see right through your belligerence borders on doctrinal heresy.
Piano Keys wrote:I'm replying to you because we are of the same station, we are both not official entities. I am not replying to the official dispatch of the NPO, as you are. That reply is out of place, because you are an unofficial person replying to and preempting an official entity.
I am an unofficial person replying to an unofficial person, which is instead rather fitting.
by Piano Keys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:29 pm
Onderkelkia wrote:
You are arguing that because the NPO has a grievance, one's response should accept rather than challenge the premise of that grievance.
On the contrary, if the NPO are aggrieved by Osiris referring to AMOM's conduct, then it is entirely legitimate to point out how bad his conduct was.
The issue raised in the very point of the Osiris declaration of war referred to by the NPO is in fact wholly related to this matter.
The NPO's implicated itself in the 'NPO's Retort', or else its senator AMOM would presumably not have entitled it so - they also involved me personally in it with 17 references to the 'Ondersphere'. That retort provided by the basis on which Lazarus was purged of imperialists so it could become what it is today.
Any conflict between Lazarus and Osiris was initiated by Karpathos, the former NPO member this statement is aggrieved on behalf of, threatening Osiris in the context of the issues described in the Osiris statement. The wider issues with the NPO were instigated by the NPO's making with its ridiculous 'Retort'.
by Glen-Rhodes » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:36 pm
Onderkelkia wrote:After Osiris has already terminated relations, the NPO announcing that the embassy of Osiris will be 'closed entirely' is redundant.
by The Dourian Embassy » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:41 pm
The Seeker of Power wrote:*snip*
by Piano Keys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:46 pm
by Onderkelkia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:46 pm
Piano Keys wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:
You are arguing that because the NPO has a grievance, one's response should accept rather than challenge the premise of that grievance.
On the contrary, if the NPO are aggrieved by Osiris referring to AMOM's conduct, then it is entirely legitimate to point out how bad his conduct was.
The issue raised in the very point of the Osiris declaration of war referred to by the NPO is in fact wholly related to this matter.
The NPO's implicated itself in the 'NPO's Retort', or else its senator AMOM would presumably not have entitled it so - they also involved me personally in it with 17 references to the 'Ondersphere'. That retort provided by the basis on which Lazarus was purged of imperialists so it could become what it is today.
Any conflict between Lazarus and Osiris was initiated by Karpathos, the former NPO member this statement is aggrieved on behalf of, threatening Osiris in the context of the issues described in the Osiris statement. The wider issues with the NPO were instigated by the NPO's making with its ridiculous 'Retort'.
So you have come here to settle a personal score with AMOM and the NPO, and are riding this wave of war to advance your own narrow and vindictive interests, is that right?
Piano Keys wrote:Karpathos initiated nothing, he made a joke.
Piano Keys wrote:You make it plain in your re-litigation of the so-called purge that this war is something you conceived for your own gain, to settle a score that you feel has been personally made about you by the NPO.
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:After Osiris has already terminated relations, the NPO announcing that the embassy of Osiris will be 'closed entirely' is redundant.
I wouldn't consider it redundant. TSP has not closed Osiris' embassy on our forums, nor have we severed relations on our end. Doing so sends a message that the grievances between two regions can't be addressed through diplomacy. That's a particular message that some regions might want to send, while others might not.
by Piano Keys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:52 pm
Onderkelkia wrote:I came here to reply to the NPO's statement, both in that it was redundant and that it ignored its' officials' improper behaviour.
by Onderkelkia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:54 pm
Piano Keys wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:I came here to reply to the NPO's statement, both in that it was redundant and that it ignored its' officials' improper behaviour.
Improper behaviour which conveniently is only improper in an Imperialist context.
In other words, you are here simply to advance your own narrow interests.
by Piano Keys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:58 pm
by Onderkelkia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:01 pm
by Piano Keys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:03 pm
by Onderkelkia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:06 pm
by Piano Keys » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:10 pm
Onderkelkia wrote:Piano Keys wrote:
Or maybe they *gasp* have a different perspective on the so-called purge than you do.
A perspective which ignores the fact the NPO ordered people ejected from Lazarus soley for being in imperialist regions elsewhere, including Griffin, the region's longest-serving modern Delegate, and then then subsequent to this the region was transformed into a defender, Communist dictatorship.
by Onderkelkia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:12 pm
Piano Keys wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:A perspective which ignores the fact the NPO ordered people ejected from Lazarus soley for being in imperialist regions elsewhere, including Griffin, the region's longest-serving modern Delegate, and then then subsequent to this the region was transformed into a defender, Communist dictatorship.
And what is wrong with being a defender-communist?
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