The Wartime Gazette - People Mobilize for Victory

[North East Somerset]

A decision that was taken in the people's interest - have you not read what I just wrote? You don't need elections or votes to be democratic.

[The Dourian Embassy]

Seriously... since Ik started commenting on this threads, even before we said a thing to him, he has been on a constant tirade of 'maybe we need a new revolution', and 'I hope the PRL falls!'. What the hell do you expect us to do? What would you do, oh wise and mighty Douria?

Listen?

[Ikania]

If nothing else I'm loving the new Laz forum skin. It sure does bring back great memories.

Too much white, not enough black.

Seriously... since Ik started commenting on this threads, even before we said a thing to him, he has been on a constant tirade of 'maybe we need a new revolution', and 'I hope the PRL falls!'. What the hell do you expect us to do? What would you do, oh wise and mighty Douria?

*Ike

Furthermore, Llamas has no idea the lengths Funk went to defend him and to continue to help him grow as a player.

This, this, this. Why do you think Llamas was appointed VC in the first place after he ran on a platform opposed to Funk and has been open about pushing democracy since day one? Because Funk saw Llamas' dedication to the region and wanted to try to work with him to bring about positive change and have a unique outlook on the region. Instead Llamas made it apparent that working together wasn't possible, and that he didn't trust Funk.

Okay, so here you're saying he was removed for organizing a group in the shadows to undermine the Chairman.

This couldn't be farther from the truth.

It was no secret. It's just that we had an idea. He basically came to me and said hey I think we need more transparency and separation of powers. I said okay how and he said well Ainin's in Congress and I know he's of the same mind, so we'll just get some people who agree with us into congress. I was like okay do we need to tell Funk? Nah, nah, it's barely an idea, he'd probably ground it before it takes off anyways. So I go to Lenny and I'm like hey do you want to bring some democracy to Laz? He said nah but I respect your idea.

Then Lenny goes and tattles to Funk and butters is up as subversion. That's what happens.

There was no subversion, undermining or secrecy. It's not like we were conspiring against you. We didn't have solid ideas, hell, we didn't even have a name. I mean, I suggested Solidarity but Llamas wanted Mensheviks for whatever reason. You blew it way out of proportion.

[Kazmr]

Nah, nah, it's barely an idea, he'd probably ground it before it takes off anyways.

You have just stated exactly why Llamas was removed, but you don't seem to get why. You two were high ranking officials, entrusted to Funk to provide your experience and beliefs to the government in order to help him lead Lazarus. If you felt you couldn't trust him with your idea, why should he trust you as an adviser? The job of the VC is to work with the Chairman to effectively govern the region, not hide your plans from him.

Further, if you were so wronged why did you instead cut and run? You were never kicked out of Lazarus, in fact you were never even removed from your position. You did so yourself, and now reside in a region about to declare war on us, endorsing their delegate. If you thought that the desire for democracy was truly strong in Lazarus, and not just the wish of you and Llamas that had to be kept away from the Chairman, you would have stood your ground and made your case.

[Ikania]

Nah, nah, it's barely an idea, he'd probably ground it before it takes off anyways.

You have just stated exactly why Llamas was removed, but you don't seem to get why. You two were high ranking officials, entrusted to Funk to provide your experience and beliefs to the government in order to help him lead Lazarus. If you felt you couldn't trust him with your idea, why should he trust you as an adviser? The job of the VC is to work with the Chairman to effectively govern the region, not hide your plans from him.

Further, if you were so wronged why did you instead cut and run? You were never kicked out of Lazarus, in fact you were never even removed from your position. You did so yourself, and now reside in a region about to declare war on us, endorsing their delegate. If you thought that the desire for democracy was truly strong in Lazarus, and not just the wish of you and Llamas that had to be kept away from the Chairman, you would have stood your ground and made your case.

Because Funk warned us and said he'd ban all subversives. That sent the message to me that he was coming for me sooner or later, and trying to argue my point would get me banned.

But nevermind that. Your region's government is a tower. Unfortunately, the strongest pillars of that tower decided to go to other towers, like the Europeia Building and Osiriskyscraper. And now, the tower next to you is considering falling down on you and completely destroying your tower. Consider your options.

[Hobbesistan]

Aw lawd.

They do not know that Hobbes attempted to force our admins into real world legal contracts

By 'attempted to force', do you mean propose the idea in the SC then dropping it when the idea wasnt well received?

an absurdity on this site. Nor do they realize that he wanted non-Lazerenes, raiders at that, as global mods with access to the most secure forums of one of the foremost defender regions.

You mean someone who A) didin't have the secure access you speak off and B) hasnt raided in 4 years? and C) was removed at request?

he stated in private that the opinion of the government didn't hold any weight in his determination of who should hold administrative positions,

I believe theres a constitutional clause protecting my ability to do that, although I do usually give the government word on who is admin. Are you suggesting we shouldn't obide the document that created the region? The only full admin I ever appointed was Funk; Feux, DYP, and Harm had there positions.

ave we done wrong by attempting to secure our community from an encroaching and power-hungry forum administration?

Yes, when your claims are waaayyy over exaggerated, particularly from someone who told me yesterday they didin't quite understand what was going on.

I have done nothing outside of my normal duties, and I was removed for it, and even then I did not go on a 'powerhungry rampage' as you are putting me out to do.

I've kept quiet out of respect for the Peoples' Republic(as if I had anything else) on my side of the story, but if you keep on shoving what is nothing more then libel and practically baseless attacks in my face, I will be forced to respond.

[Karpathos]

You've already threatened (one could even consider it blackmail) Funkadelia the other night so cut the act that you're doing us a favor by "keeping quiet" especially when this internal matter is being used to smear the PRL who tried for months to reconcile the differences that lead to the necessity of us moving offsite forums. Go ahead, post the skype logs from the 15th around 2am when I admit that shouldn't have been doing anything NS related to begin with, it's hardly anything unexpected from me and will do nothing to change the facts of the situation (we've all been there so lets not even go there because people on both sides have been victim of such moments with more serious ramifications in-game). Let it go Hobbes. You're not a victim or martyr, you just abused a situation for what seemed like your own amusement.

[Hobbesistan]

You've already threatened (one could even consider it blackmail) Funkadelia the other night so cut the act that you're doing us a favor by "keeping quiet" especially when this internal matter is being used to smear the PRL who tried for months to reconcile the differences that lead to the necessity of us moving offsite forums. Go ahead, post the skype logs from the 15th around 2am when I admit that shouldn't have been doing anything NS related to begin with (we've all been there so lets not even go there because people on both sides have been victim of such moments with more serious ramifications in-game). Let it go Hobbes. You're not a victim or martyr, you just abused a situation for what seemed like your own amusement.

I don't need or want to play dirty, Karp.

The only one posting logs will be you, if that's the road you want to go down.

[Ikania]

Shit's getting real.

[Karpathos]

You've already threatened (one could even consider it blackmail) Funkadelia the other night so cut the act that you're doing us a favor by "keeping quiet" especially when this internal matter is being used to smear the PRL who tried for months to reconcile the differences that lead to the necessity of us moving offsite forums. Go ahead, post the skype logs from the 15th around 2am when I admit that shouldn't have been doing anything NS related to begin with (we've all been there so lets not even go there because people on both sides have been victim of such moments with more serious ramifications in-game). Let it go Hobbes. You're not a victim or martyr, you just abused a situation for what seemed like your own amusement.

I don't need or want to play dirty, Karp.

Neither do I. I also don't think this is the place to air dirty laundry. I've tried countless times to reconcile with you and ultimately all I got were empty promises. We go way back and it was in fact you who brought me back to NS this time around which is why I was so upset at your demeanor when it came to the administration of the forum. I'm done commenting on this subject seeing as it's playing directly in to the hands of those who wish Lazarus ill will.

I had no intention of commenting on the matter publically either, but when people decided to use this matter to further their smear campaign on Lazarus and place undue stress on Funkadelia the record had to be set straight.

[Hobbesistan]

I don't need or want to play dirty, Karp.

Neither do I. I also don't think this is the place to air dirty laundry. I've tried countless times to reconcile with you and ultimately all I got were empty promises. We go way back and it was in fact you who brought me back to NS this time around which is why I was so upset at your demeanor when it came to the administration of the forum. I'm done commenting on this subject seeing as it's playing directly in to the hands of those who wish Lazarus ill will.

You mean the time we sat down and talked about it, I sorted out all of the concerns raised against me (Todd as Mod, contract, and SC oversight of who we make mod/admin) then you came back 2 weeks later demanding my resignation?

I am defending myself from attacks, We both know i'm better then 'airing dirty laundry' on NSGP, it's the reason i've kept quiet here so long.

[Drop Your Pants]

I don't need or want to play dirty, Karp.

So stop trying then

[Karpathos]

Neither do I. I also don't think this is the place to air dirty laundry. I've tried countless times to reconcile with you and ultimately all I got were empty promises. We go way back and it was in fact you who brought me back to NS this time around which is why I was so upset at your demeanor when it came to the administration of the forum. I'm done commenting on this subject seeing as it's playing directly in to the hands of those who wish Lazarus ill will.

You mean the time we sat down and talked about it, I sorted out all of the concerns raised against me (Todd as Mod, contract, and SC oversight of who we make mod/admin) then you came back 2 weeks later demanding my resignation?

Right. Two weeks and no follow through. I demanded your resignation on the 15th when I had no business being online discussing NS stuff. For that, I apologize but the request coming either way, with Milo's blessing. That episode was my fuck up and I take full responsibility for the manner in which I handled it and spoke to you that night,

[Hobbesistan]

You mean the time we sat down and talked about it, I sorted out all of the concerns raised against me (Todd as Mod, contract, and SC oversight of who we make mod/admin) then you came back 2 weeks later demanding my resignation?

Right. Two weeks and no follow through. I demanded your resignation on the 15th when I had no business being online discussing NS stuff. For that, I apologize but the request coming either way, with Milo's blessing. That episode was my fuck up and I take full responsibility for the manner in which I handled it and spoke to you that night,

Without any reason why and when I talked to Milo, he didin't seem to care either way.

I resolved the issues against me when i got back from CITing a Camp early August and then you came back 2 weeks later, I'm not discussing how you did it, we all have days like that, I'm discussing what you did.

[Barunei]

Shit's getting real.

Definitely.

[Karpathos]

Right. Two weeks and no follow through. I demanded your resignation on the 15th when I had no business being online discussing NS stuff. For that, I apologize but the request coming either way, with Milo's blessing. That episode was my fuck up and I take full responsibility for the manner in which I handled it and spoke to you that night,

Without any reason why and when I talked to Milo, he didin't seem to care either way.

I resolved the issues against me when i got back from CITing a Camp early August and then you came back 2 weeks later, I'm not discussing how you did it, I'm discussing what you did.

Asking you to resign? That I will not apologize for,

[Hobbesistan]

Without any reason why and when I talked to Milo, he didin't seem to care either way.

I resolved the issues against me when i got back from CITing a Camp early August and then you came back 2 weeks later, I'm not discussing how you did it, I'm discussing what you did.

Asking you to resign? That I will not apologize for,

I don't care if you think I should resign Karp, that's your opinion and your entitled to it, I do care when i wasnt given any particular reason why, and I had previously sorted out the issues you raised. What was the point of doing that if you just planned to come back later demanding my resignation?

[Ikania]

Asking you to resign? That I will not apologize for,

I don't care if you think I should resign Karp, that's your opinion and your entitled to it, I do care when i wasnt given any particular reason why, and I had previously sorted out the issues you raised. What was the point of doing that if you just planned to come back later demanding my resignation?

Didn't he report you for some constitution violation?

[Hobbesistan]

I don't care if you think I should resign Karp, that's your opinion and your entitled to it, I do care when i wasnt given any particular reason why, and I had previously sorted out the issues you raised. What was the point of doing that if you just planned to come back later demanding my resignation?

Didn't he report you for some constitution violation?

Did he?

[Ikania]

Didn't he report you for some constitution violation?

Did he?

He did. He was mad at you for something and reported you. Funk said he'd look into it.

[Karpathos]

Did he?

He did. He was mad at you for something and reported you. Funk said he'd look into it.

I've withdrawn the violation after speaking with Hobbes privately.

[Todd McCloud]

You mean the time we sat down and talked about it, I sorted out all of the concerns raised against me (Todd as Mod, contract, and SC oversight of who we make mod/admin) then you came back 2 weeks later demanding my resignation?

Right. Two weeks and no follow through. I demanded your resignation on the 15th when I had no business being online discussing NS stuff. For that, I apologize but the request coming either way, with Milo's blessing. That episode was my fuck up and I take full responsibility for the manner in which I handled it and spoke to you that night,

Just going to say that if making me a temp mod over there was that big of a deal, it wouldn't have hurt my feelings to have it removed so we could have potentially avoided all this stuff. As far as I know, I was asked to watch for any spam attacks or people doing bad stuff while Hobbes was on vacation. Nothing really crazy happened as far as I could see. I couldn't see any sensitive areas or forums, too. And it wasn't like I was going to misuse or abuse anything either (if that's what was insinuated) - that's just not my style, nor has it ever been my style (other regions can vouch). I can make silly articles and argue with people on gameplay forums here, but that's completely different from tampering or messing around with someone's forums. You know, more and more I find people have OOC / IC divides in gameplay.

But yeah, like I said I didn't really have any ties with Laz. So if it was cause I'm not active in Laz, I can understand that. As far as I know, I was brought on to be a stopgap. Bottom line is regardless the outcome or sentiments, it's not a big deal to me.

[Karpathos]

You had global mod masking way before (how long before, I don't know) Hobbes' vacation with permissions that could have been abused by a player with fewer scruples than yourself, Todd. The only way we found out was when he poked you in to doing your job before he left. If I'm mistaken, so be it.

[Ainin]

Why was I mentioned 20 times in a thread I didn't even know existed?

[Kazmr]

:blink:

Why was I mentioned 20 times in a thread I didn't even know existed?

Every time was by Ikania, going on about how apparently you're one of like... five people in Lazarus