The Great Influence Survey 2014: The Results

[Joe Bobs]

Voting for the Survey is hereby closed. Results are displayed below. As promised, there are two versions of each list, one with all votes, one with spam votes removed (defining spam votes as those where people have put one region/org followed by abstains). It's up to you if consider the one with the spam votes included or the other one as valid. For the inter-regional organisation results, I've also removed the invalid votes from the second list, i.e. those that were not for inter-regional organisations.

I'll release a Google docs with the votes on shortly (with names or votes removed for those who have requested it.

Current Most Influential Regions (All votes)

Rank – Region – Score – (Votes)

1 The North Pacific 112 (17)
2 The Rejected Realms 106 (14)
3 Osiris 95 (14)
4 Europeia 89 (12)
5 10000 Islands 75 (12)
6 Albion 71 (9)
7 The Land of Kings and Emperors 70 (9)
8 Lazarus 69 (11)
9 The East Pacific 67 (11)
10 The New Inquisition 54 (8)
11 The Black Riders 51 (10)
12 Balder 39 (8)
13 The South Pacific 37 (7)
14 Spiritus 32 (6)
15 The West Pacific 31 (5)
16 The Pacific 29 (5)
17 Equilism 15 (6)
18 Capitalist Paradise 14 (3)
19 Democratic Socialist Alliance 11 (2)
20 Global Right Alliance 10 (2)
=21 The Illuminati 10 (1)
=21 The Black Hawks 10 (1)
=21 The Internationale 10 (1)
=24 The Red Sovereignty 9 (1)
=24 Wysteria 9 (1)
26 The Communist Bloc 8 (2)
27 Texas 8 (1)
=28 Gay 7 (1)
=28 North Korea 7 (1)
=30 Philosophy 115 6 (1)
=30 Das Kommune 6 (1)
32 International Democratic Union 5 (2)
=33 Nazi Europa 5 (1)
=33 The Kingdom of Great Britain 5 (1)
35 The Eternal Knights 4 (1)
36 Wintreath 3 (2)
=37 Hippy Haven 3 (1)
=37 Yggdrasil 3 (1)
39 Atlantian Oceania 2 (1)
=40 New Warsaw Pact 1 (1)
=40 The Americas 1 (1)
=40 Spectrasonic 1 (1)
=40 Esquarium 1 (1)


Current Most Influential Regions (Spam votes removed)

Rank – Region – Score – (Votes)

1 The North Pacific 112 (17)
2 The Rejected Realms 106 (14)
3 Osiris 95 (14)
4 Europeia 89 (12)
5 10000 Islands 75 (12)
6 The Land of Kings and Emperors 70 (9)
7 Lazarus 69 (11)
8 The East Pacific 67 (11)
9 The New Inquisition 54 (8)
10 Albion 51 (7)
11 The Black Riders 41 (9)
12 Balder 39 (8)
13 The South Pacific 37 (7)
14 Spiritus 32 (6)
15 The West Pacific 31 (5)
16 The Pacific 29 (5)
17 Equilism 15 (6)
18 Capitalist Paradise 14 (3)
19 Democratic Socialist Alliance 11 (2)
20 Global Right Alliance 10 (2)
=21 The Internationale 10 (1)
=24 The Red Sovereignty 9 (1)
=24 Wysteria 9 (1)
26 The Communist Bloc 8 (2)
27 Texas 8 (1)
=28 Gay 7 (1)
=28 North Korea 7 (1)
=30 Philosophy 115 6 (1)
=30 Das Kommune 6 (1)
32 International Democratic Union 5 (2)
=33 Nazi Europa 5 (1)
=33 The Kingdom of Great Britain 5 (1)
35 The Eternal Knights 4 (1)
36 Wintreath 3 (2)
=37 Hippy Haven 3 (1)
=37 Yggdrasil 3 (1)
39 Atlantian Oceania 2 (1)
=40 New Warsaw Pact 1 (1)
=40 The Americas 1 (1)
=40 Spectrasonic 1 (1)
=40 Esquarium 1 (1)


Most Influential Regions of All Time (All Votes)

Rank – Region – Score – (Votes)

1 The Pacific 126 (18)
2 10000 Islands 95 (14)
3 Gatesville 74 (9)
4 Equilism 62 (8)
5 The Land of Kings and Emperors 60 (8)
6 The North Pacific 51 (9)
7 The Rejected Realms 49 (10)
8 Europeia 47 (7)
9 Nasicournia 45 (8)
10 Wysteria 42 (6)
11 The East Pacific 41 (5)
12 The West Pacific 38 (6)
13 Albion 37 (5)
=14 The New Inquisition 35 (7)
=14 The DEN 35 (7)
16 Great Britain & Ireland 28 (6)
17 Farkistan 28 (4)
18 The Meritocracy 27 (5)
19 Osiris 24 (4)
20 Texas 23 (5)
=21 The Black Riders 23 (4)
=21 Lazarus 23 (4)
23 Balder 21 (4)
24 The South Pacific 19 (3)
25 The Black Hawks 15 (3)
26 Antarctic Oasis 13 (3)
27 Global Right Alliance 10 (3)
28 Nazi Europe 10 (2)
=29 The Illuminati 10 (1)
=29 The Internationale 10 (1)
31 Spiritus 9 (1)
=32 The Red Sovereignty 8 (1)
=32 International Democratic Union 8 (1)
34 Lone Wolves United 7 (2)
=35 Gay 7 (1)
=35 Anticapitalist Alliance 7 (1)
37 Philosophy 115 6 (1)
=38 Equinox 5 (1)
=38 Unknown 5 (1)
40 Allied States of Euroislanders 4 (2)
41 Rushmore 4 (1)
=42 The Proletariat Coalition 3 (1)
=42 Eastern Islands of Drama 3 (1)
=44 The Heartland 2 (1)
=44 The Skeleton Army 2 (1)
=46 Atheist Empire 1 (1)
=46 Spectrasonic 1 (1)


Most Influential Regions of All Time (Spam Votes Removed)

Rank – Region – Score – (Votes)

1 The Pacific 126 (18)
2 10000 Islands 95 (14)
3 Gatesville 74 (9)
4 Equilism 62 (8)
5 The Land of Kings and Emperors 60 (8)
6 The North Pacific 51 (9)
7 The Rejected Realms 49 (10)
8 Europeia 47 (7)
9 Nasicournia 45 (8)
10 Wysteria 42 (6)
11 The East Pacific 41 (5)
12 The West Pacific 38 (6)
=13 The New Inquisition 35 (7)
=13 The DEN 35 (7)
15 Great Britain & Ireland 28 (6)
16 Farkistan 28 (4)
17 The Meritocracy 27 (5)
18 Osiris 24 (4)
19 Texas 23 (5)
20 Lazarus 23 (4)
21 Balder 21 (4)
22 The South Pacific 19 (3)
23 Albion 17 (3)
=24 Antarctic Oasis 13 (3)
=24 The Black Riders 13 (3)
26 Global Right Alliance 10 (3)
27 Nazi Europe 10 (2)
28 The Internationale 10 (1)
29 Spiritus 9 (1)
=30 The Red Sovereignty 8 (1)
=30 International Democratic Union 8 (1)
32 Lone Wolves United 7 (2)
=33 Gay 7 (1)
=33 Anticapitalist Alliance 7 (1)
35 Philosophy 115 6 (1)
36 The Black Hawks 5 (2)
=37 Equinox 5 (1)
=37 Unknown 5 (1)
39 Allied States of Euroislanders 4 (2)
40 Rushmore 4 (1)
=41 The Proletariat Coalition 3 (1)
=41 Eastern Islands of Drama 3 (1)
=43 The Heartland 2 (1)
=43 The Skeleton Army 2 (1)
=45 Atheist Empire 1 (1)
=45 Spectrasonic 1 (1)


Inter-regional Organisations – Current (All votes)

Rank – Org – Score – (Votes)

1 United Imperial Armed Forces 76 (16)
2 Founderless Regions Alliance 68 (18)
3 United Defenders League 37 (12)
4 Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organisation 16 (4)
5 Imperial Sovereign Realms Army 14 (6)
6 The Black Riders 9 (2)
7 Order of the Golden Fleece 7 (3)
8 Antifa 7 (2)
=9 The Illuminati 5 (1)
=9 The Black Hawks 5 (1)
=9 The World Cup Committee 5 (1)
=12 United Regions 4 (1)
=12 Atlantic Alliance 4 (1)
=12 The North Pacific Army 4 (1)
=12 The NationStates Olympic Committee 4 (1)
=12 Congress of Armed Proletarian States 4 (1)
=17 East Pacific Sovereign Army 3 (1)
=17 Gatesville 3 (1)
=17 The Regional Assembly 3 (1)
=17 The World Bowl Council 3 (1)
=17 The Red Fleet 3 (1)
22 XYZ Treaty 3 (2)
=23 Lone Wolves United 2 (1)
=23 The World Baseball Classic Committee 2 (1)
=23 The MT Army 2 (1)
=26 Miniluv 1 (1)
=26 New Pacific Order 1 (1)
=26 The Eternal Military Pact 1 (1)
=26 The World Cup of Hockey Committee 1 (1)


Inter-regional Organisations – Current (Spam and invalid votes removed)

Rank – Org – Score – (Votes)

1 Founderless Regions Alliance 68 (18)
2 United Imperial Armed Forces 66 (14)
3 United Defenders League 37 (12)
4 Imperial Sovereign Realms Army 14 (6)
5 Order of the Golden Fleece 7 (3)
6 Antifa 7 (2)
7 The World Cup Committee 5 (1)
=8 United Regions 4 (1)
=8 Atlantic Alliance 4 (1)
=8 The NationStates Olympic Committee 4 (1)
=8 Congress of Armed Proletarian States 4 (1)
=12 The World Bowl Council 3 (1)
=12 The Red Fleet 3 (1)
14 XYZ Treaty 3 (2)
=15 The World Baseball Classic Committee 2 (1)
=15 The MT Army 2 (1)
=17 Miniluv 1 (1)
=17 The Eternal Military Pact 1 (1)
=17 The World Cup of Hockey Committee 1 (1)


Inter-regional Organisations – All time (All votes)

Rank – Org – Score – (Votes)

1 Founderless Regions Alliance 56 (17)
2 United Imperial Armed Forces 43 (11)
3 Alliance Defense Network 39 (10)
4 Red Liberty Alliance 23 (8)
5 Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organisation 18 (5)
6 Alliance of Capitalists, Conservatives and Economic Libertarians 17 (5)
7 Farkers 11 (3)
8 Atlantic Alliance 10 (3)
9 The DEN 8 (3)
10 The Black Riders 7 (2)
11 United Defenders League 6 (4)
=12 The Illuminati 5 (1)
=12 The Black Hawks 5 (1)
=12 The Meritocracy 5 (1)
=12 National Sovereignty Organization 5 (1)
=12 Antifa 5 (1)
=12 Union of Sovereigns 5 (1)
=18 The North Pacific Army 4 (1)
=18 Order of the Golden Fleece 4 (1)
=18 Coalition of Anti-Capitalist Economies 4 (1)
=18 The Red Fleet 4 (1)
=22 Lone Wolves United 3 (1)
=22 Gatesville 3 (1)
=22 The Regional Assembly 3 (1)
=25 Imperial Sovereign Realms Army 2 (1)
=25 Third Wall Bloc 2 (1)
=25 Green Think Tank 2 (1)
=28 New Pacific Order 1 (1)
=28 Green Liberation Army 1 (1)
=28 Sovereign Regions Alliance Treaty Organisation 1 (1)
=28 United Nations of Gaither 1 (1)
=28 The Commonwealth 1 (1)
=28 UN DEFCON 1 (1)


Inter-regional Organisations – All time (Spam and invalid votes removed)

Rank – Org – Score – (Votes)

1 Founderless Regions Alliance 56 (17)
2 Alliance Defense Network 39 (10)
3 United Imperial Armed Forces 33 (11)
4 Red Liberty Alliance 23 (8)
5 Alliance of Capitalists, Conservatives and Economic Libertarians 17 (5)
6 Farkers 11 (3)
7 Atlantic Alliance 10 (3)
8 The DEN 8 (3)
9 United Defenders League 6 (4)
=10 National Sovereignty Organization 5 (1)
=10 Antifa 5 (1)
=10 Union of Sovereigns 5 (1)
=13 Order of the Golden Fleece 4 (1)
=13 Coalition of Anti-Capitalist Economies 4 (1)
=13 The Red Fleet 4 (1)
=16 Imperial Sovereign Realms Army 2 (1)
=16 Third Wall Bloc 2 (1)
=16 Green Think Tank 2 (1)
=19 Green Liberation Army 1 (1)
=19 Sovereign Regions Alliance Treaty Organisation 1 (1)
=19 The Commonwealth 1 (1)
=19 UN DEFCON 1 (1)

edit: Made an oops, counted TEP twice in the all time list, now corrected.

[Unibot III]

Damn, I should have voted.

Some very interesting results. Admittedly, I still don't understand why 10XI is considered as influential as it is on a historical or current basis. They're isolationist now and they were a middle power back in the day. *shrugs*

I also don't exactly understand the love for LKE over TNI or GB&E, or the downplaying of the ASE's influence. I have a hard time even remembering LKE exists. Wysteria making the Top Ten for influence also doesn't make much sense - they've tried their best to isolate themselves for years.

I feel like regions were rewarded for lasting a long time, but in all actuality, the most influential regions and organizations are like fireflies. ADN or RLA or Franco's NPO or such never really existed for a long period of time, they were just extremely influential.

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Also, UDL isn't an inter-regional organization.

[Ambrella]

I guess I can settle for 4, we're in good company up there. Well, depending on your definition of good.

[Karpathos]

Damn, I should have voted.

Some very interesting results. Admittedly, I still don't understand why 10XI is considered as influential as it is on a historical or current basis. They're isolationist now and they were a middle power back in the day. *shrugs*

I also don't exactly understand the love for LKE over TNI or GB&E, or the downplaying of the ASE's influence. I have a hard time even remembering LKE exists. Wysteria making the Top Ten for influence also doesn't make much sense - they've tried their best to isolate themselves for years.

I feel like regions were rewarded for lasting a long time, but in all actuality, the most influential regions and organizations are like fireflies. ADN or RLA or Franco's NPO or such never really existed for a long period of time, they were just extremely influential.

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Also, UDL isn't an inter-regional organization.

Lol, ASE had an influential person...I wouldn't go so far to say the region proper was influential. Also a vote for the Pacific is a vote for Francos Spain's legacy. I did find it amusing that he had to remove "spam" votes and got a good laugh out of the results.

[Joe Bobs]

One interesting thing I found is the GCR order.

Current:

1 The North Pacific 112 (17)
2 The Rejected Realms 106 (14)
3 Osiris 95 (14)
7 Lazarus 69 (11)
8 The East Pacific 67 (11)
12 Balder 39 (8)
13 The South Pacific 37 (7)
15 The West Pacific 31 (5)
16 The Pacific 29 (5)

All time:

1 The Pacific 126 (18)
6 The North Pacific 51 (9)
7 The Rejected Realms 49 (10)
11 The East Pacific 41 (5)
12 The West Pacific 38 (6)
18 Osiris 24 (4)
20 Lazarus 23 (4)
21 Balder 21 (4)
22 The South Pacific 19 (3)

All the GCRs other than TWP and TP are at higher rankings today than in the past, does this mean we are in an age of ultimate GCR rule? Were UCRs more powerful in the past? 5 of the top 10 are GCRs today, compared to only 3 in the all time rankings.

[Space Dandy]

Since when is TITO an inter-regional org?

[Vom Leben]

Since when is TITO an inter-regional org?

TITO and XKI are technically two different entities, with the latter being the region and the former being the interregional organization that it set up.

[Nephmir]

=17 The Eternal Military Pact 1 (1)

Surprising, since it never really existed.

Thanks for reminding me to refound the region after it CTEd at minor, though

[Space Dandy]

Since when is TITO an inter-regional org?

TITO and XKI are technically two different entities, with the latter being the region and the former being the interregional organization that it set up.

What other regions make up TITO or even the RRA?

[Sichuan Pepper]

TITO is entirely made up of nations from 10000 Islands. While we do work with other orgs now and then it is not an inter-regional org.

[Vom Leben]

None that I can find.

[Josh Sebastian]

Damn, I should have voted.

Some very interesting results. Admittedly, I still don't understand why 10XI is considered as influential as it is on a historical or current basis. They're isolationist now and they were a middle power back in the day. *shrugs*

I also don't exactly understand the love for LKE over TNI or GB&E, or the downplaying of the ASE's influence. I have a hard time even remembering LKE exists. Wysteria making the Top Ten for influence also doesn't make much sense - they've tried their best to isolate themselves for years.

I feel like regions were rewarded for lasting a long time, but in all actuality, the most influential regions and organizations are like fireflies. ADN or RLA or Franco's NPO or such never really existed for a long period of time, they were just extremely influential.

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Also, UDL isn't an inter-regional organization.

Funny, I also have the same problem remembering the UDL.

On a more serious note,

Historically, it was the LKE that to a great deal fashioned and exported the modern form of imperialism in NS. It was the LKE, under its original emperor, which defined the model of declaring wars on defender alliances, cooperation between imperialists and raider regions, etc. Founders of subsequent imperialist regions have likewise started or were trained in the LKE. LKE citizens hold key positions in many regions, carrying with them LKE ideas, practices, etc. Onder himself remains one of, if not the leading proponent of imperialism, and is easily one of the key figures in military gameplay.

The LKE's culture and internal politics also influenced non-imperialist regions. Worthy examples to note are Europeia and Hampshire in their first year or so of existence (LKE influences are detectable in the Europeian legal system today, which in turn, have subsequently been carried to other jurisdictions such as Osiris).

In the modern day, the LKE continues its tradition of leadership in the sphere. The LKE maintains a very broad network of alliances with UCRs and GCRs that help secure and effectuate our foreign policy objectives. The LKE also hosts the headquarters of the Order of the Golden Fleece, currently the largest monarchist organization in GP, with 9 UCRs, and 2 GCRs as member-regions.

I believe the results mirror the majority's continued recognition of LKE's and its allies' importance in NS history.

[Joe Bobs]

Or that more LKEers voted than any other region.

@ Zaolat: Yes, if you look at the tidied up results, you can see I removed TITO fro the list of orgs. People voted for a lot of armies and regions as organisations, one person even voted for TNP's Regional Assembly.



One thing I noticed is that early voters tended to be those who were more interested in NS history (not totally, but as a general trend), so more historical regions and orgs were taking an early lead, e.g. ADN had a clear lead for the first week, and DEN and Farkers were 2nd and 3rd. Then, votes for UIAF and FRA began pouring in. It was also then that TRR began to shoot up the leaderboard. After the first week, the NPO had double the votes of 2nd place.

[Cormac A Stark]

I basically agree with Josh's assessment, which is why I cited The LKE as an influential region way back when this conversation started.

The Founders of two major independent and imperialist UCRs, Europeia and The New Inquisition, have their roots in The LKE. Albion in turn has its roots in The New Inquisition. The LKE philosophy of imperialism has made a significant contribution to shaping the imperialism of Balder and Osiris. While The LKE can't be solely credited with shaping independence, as other regions such as GB&I, Europeia, Equilism, and The West Pacific, among others, have all made valuable contributions, certainly The LKE was a major influence on Europeia which probably has the most developed and practically coherent philosophy of independence.

The LKE has probably made more significant contributions to gameplay than most regions and organizations on this list will ever hope to achieve. That The LKE has made these contributions over the course of years, subtly, by building up and promoting an entire sphere of fellow imperialist and independent regions rather than seeking instant but fleeting gratification and glory for itself, is admirable. It's also something that Unibot and other defenders can't understand or appreciate, as it's so entirely foreign to their way of operating, which is why defenderism is in military shambles and their current political and propaganda gains will inevitably come crashing down around them.

Edit: I would also note that while defenders are no doubt patting themselves on the back for The Rejected Realms' strong showing here, much of the work that has gone into making TRR an influential region came not from defender Delegates but Delegates originating in independent Equilism.

[Unibot III]

Edit: I would also note that while defenders are no doubt patting themselves on the back for The Rejected Realms' strong showing here, much of the work that has gone into making TRR an influential region came not from defender Delegates but Delegates originating in independent Equilism.

That's not true. Their work was focused on suppressing TRR largely and using it as a toy-thing in their geopolitics - they seized a vacuum after Kandarin's departure.

When people speak of the influence that TRR had historically, they're speaking largely of the influence that the RRA had (especially in relation to the Great War), but when people speak of TRR now, they're speaking of the work that defenders or former defenders, Frattastan, Crazygirl, Guy, Sedgistan, Kogvuron, Wop and others put into TRR, Post-2011.

Independentism's influence in 2011-2012 was largely a inactive, ugly blip in our regional history - leading to such fantastic incidents as Wham signing TRR up to SovCon without our permission, A long, long stretch of inactivity, Wham defiling our WFE with SovCon advertisements, Wham signing a compact at the Anti-Nazi Convention to vote against the will of the region, Biyah posting seditious literature under a masked account, getting involved in a TSP Coup and then releasing this fact with the hope that Sedgistan and Crazygirl would recieve the brunt of the political fallback and not them, not to mention their extremely harassing, patronizing and brutal constitutional process for long-time natives in the wake of Kandarin's departure.

No, TRR really could have done without their "help".

The LKE has probably made more significant contributions to gameplay than most regions and organizations on this list will ever hope to achieve. That The LKE has made these contributions over the course of years, subtly, by building up and promoting an entire sphere of fellow imperialist and independent regions rather than seeking instant but fleeting gratification and glory for itself, is admirable. It's also something that Unibot and other defenders can't understand or appreciate

No, you're putting words in my mouth: I just see GB&I as more influential in establishing independentism and by the time I joined the game, LKE was much less active than TNI.

This is also enlightening...

Or that more LKEers voted than any other region.

[Punk Daddy]

If the Pacific is the all-time most influential region, I'm surprised that the ADN isn't higher on the all-time lists. Perhaps too much time has passed but the ADN was a real rival of TP for a long time.

There's never been a time, in my memory, where the FRA was considered the leading organization out there. I still consider the FRA to be a "new" alliance of the kids who couldn't cut it within the real defender alliances. I know that shows my age and isn't probably factually accurate, but all time number 1 seems silly to me.

[Upper Drizzilia]

You have a weird definition for Inter regional organization. I would not say The Black Riders should be in that category.

[Northern Chittowa]

If the Pacific is the all-time most influential region, I'm surprised that the ADN isn't higher on the all-time lists. Perhaps too much time has passed but the ADN was a real rival of TP for a long time.

There's never been a time, in my memory, where the FRA was considered the leading organization out there. I still consider the FRA to be a "new" alliance of the kids who couldn't cut it within the real defender alliances. I know that shows my age and isn't probably factually accurate, but all time number 1 seems silly to me.

*chuckles*

I will agree with you that the FRA being all time number one is a tad unwarranted but shows how long it has been in existence and how long ago the ADN died. The FRA has been going now for 10 years or so, which is a ridiculously long time and as a consequence has been involved in most of the important r/d events during that period.

It was also never set up to be the next ADN or RLA, but something in the middle - the ADN collapsed and it was shoved into the spotlight.

To say the place is 'full of kids who couldn't cut it within the real defender alliances' is not only factually incorrect as you point out but also quite disrespectful...especially when you take into account that the majority of those who have been involved over the years never had the chance to play in the big boys sandpit as the big boys sandpit collapsed under its own weight before they even got the chance.