Gameplay Alignment: GCRs (May 29)

[Anumia]

"Vile vortices"? Really?

[Xoriet]

Ignoring of course that the vast majority of GCR politicians Uni is labeling as raider leaning or raiders are actually Independents who reject the R/D duopoly entirely.

More or less. One of TEP's best laws is quite specific about the region itself not choosing a side in R/D. On the other hand, individuals do not have to endorse an ideological stance to lean a certain way based on the tests. It is not what the individuals have chosen to pursue in politics so much as what has been ascertained by the collective results here. But elsewhere, if they are indeed independent, being labeled as such based on test results should not be a particularly upsetting issue. Leaning a certain way does not make you ideologically a raider or a defender. It is the personal choice, not a label bestowed by another, that should matter.

And here I thought I wasn't long-winded.

[Glen-Rhodes]

I'm curious about TSP's shift. From January 23, 2014 to April 8, 2014, our Cabinet was:

Delegate: Escade
Vice Delegate: Kringalia
Chair of the Assembly: Rebeltopia
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Me
Minister of the Army: SouthernBellz

Then from April 9, 2014 to May 29, 2014, our Cabinet has been:

Delegate: Kringalia
Vice Delegate: Escade --> Arbiter08 (The Sanghelios Legion)
Chair of the Assembly: Tsunamy
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Me
Minister of the Army: Geomania

Just with our Minister of the Army, there's a pretty big shift towards defenderism. We went from a well-known raider to a former defender General. Tsunamy probably doesn't really care about R/D, but Rebeltopia definitely leaned raider, so that would be a leftward shift as well. So where is the pendulum shift coming from? Specifically, I don't see how TSP has shifted more towards raiderism in this time period, than it had shifted towards defenderism in the previous period.

I don't agree either that we're more "regionalist." The Cabinet since Escade has brought so many new people into the fold. We were even accused of trying to push out all the "old" players from the region. When we replaced Escade after her resignation, we chose somebody outside of the senior Cabinet that I doubt anybody had expected to be chosen.

If this is simply a composite score of our Cabinet's scores, then maybe our Cabinet needs to retake the test. Or, the test is a little flawed.

[McMasterdonia]

Being regionalist doesn't mean you don't bring new people in or that you only choose the expected successor. All good and innovative governments will do that. Being regionalist isn't bad.

TSP has been a regionalist community for at least the past year in my opinion.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Being regionalist doesn't mean you don't bring new people in or that you only choose the expected successor. All good and innovative governments will do that. Being regionalist isn't bad.

TSP has been a regionalist community for at least the past year in my opinion.

I'm using Unibot's explanation from a few posts ago about exclusivity vs. inclusivity. In the more traditional metric -- how many people are also members of other regions -- I'm pretty sure Kris is a member of another region. Unibot was elected as a High Court justice and was TRR's delegate. There's never really been a premium on being an exclusive member of TSP, at least as long as I've been there.

[Kringalia]

I'm using Unibot's explanation from a few posts ago about exclusivity vs. inclusivity. In the more traditional metric -- how many people are also members of other regions -- I'm pretty sure Kris is a member of another region. Unibot was elected as a High Court justice and was TRR's delegate.

I'm a citizen of four regions, but TSP is the only big region I'm active in. I'm not active in Spiritus and the other two regions are quite small.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

The alignment is missing a crucial factor - marsupialist or anti-marsupialist. TWP will be moving towords the former when I assume the Delegacy.

And no, I'm not taking the test Unibot.

[Darwinish Brentsylvania]

I'm using Unibot's explanation from a few posts ago about exclusivity vs. inclusivity. In the more traditional metric -- how many people are also members of other regions -- I'm pretty sure Kris is a member of another region. Unibot was elected as a High Court justice and was TRR's delegate.

I'm a citizen of four regions, but TSP is the only big region I'm active in. I'm not active in Spiritus and the other two regions are quite small.

I have puppets in dozens of regions, and I try to keep active in them all.

Anyway, I've noticed that all regions have either stayed in their same spot, or shifted towards raiderism, except Lazarus.

[Kringalia]

I'm a citizen of four regions, but TSP is the only big region I'm active in. I'm not active in Spiritus and the other two regions are quite small.

I have puppets in dozens of regions, and I try to keep active in them all.

Anyway, I've noticed that all regions have either stayed in their same spot, or shifted towards raiderism, except Lazarus.

Like Glen I'm also confused about the shift in TSP, I should say. I don't see how can we be leaning to the right.

[V I Lenin]

Why has Lazarus' position been changed? I am curious about the reasons.

[All Good People]

The alignment is missing a crucial factor - marsupialist or anti-marsupialist. TWP will be moving towords the former when I assume the Delegacy.

And no, I'm not taking the test Unibot.

*chuckles* You'd be tracking more towards that 'vile vortex' bit.

[Milograd]

Why has Lazarus' position been changed? I am curious about the reasons.

The first Lazarene graph was based on my cabinet and my leanings from when I was Chairman.

[V I Lenin]

Ah I see...interesting, thanks for the answer Comrade!

[Alyekra]

"Vile vortices"? Really?

Isn't it awesome?

[Ramaeus]

What is your explanation for TEP's large shift?

[Unibot III]

What is your explanation for TEP's large shift?

Bach's own personal shift would be the primary reason. He went from moderate defenderist-regionalist to moderate raiderist-regionalist around the same time as his election.

I'm curious about TSP's shift. From January 23, 2014 to April 8, 2014, our Cabinet was:

Delegate: Escade
Vice Delegate: Kringalia
Chair of the Assembly: Rebeltopia
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Me
Minister of the Army: SouthernBellz

Then from April 9, 2014 to May 29, 2014, our Cabinet has been:

Delegate: Kringalia
Vice Delegate: Escade --> Arbiter08 (The Sanghelios Legion)
Chair of the Assembly: Tsunamy
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Me
Minister of the Army: Geomania

Just with our Minister of the Army, there's a pretty big shift towards defenderism. We went from a well-known raider to a former defender General. Tsunamy probably doesn't really care about R/D, but Rebeltopia definitely leaned raider, so that would be a leftward shift as well. So where is the pendulum shift coming from? Specifically, I don't see how TSP has shifted more towards raiderism in this time period, than it had shifted towards defenderism in the previous period.

I don't agree either that we're more "regionalist." The Cabinet since Escade has brought so many new people into the fold. We were even accused of trying to push out all the "old" players from the region. When we replaced Escade after her resignation, we chose somebody outside of the senior Cabinet that I doubt anybody had expected to be chosen.

If this is simply a composite score of our Cabinet's scores, then maybe our Cabinet needs to retake the test. Or, the test is a little flawed.

The pendulum shift is coming from Kring's score and the lack of a Geomania or Arbiter08 score on record. Also your old score was a lot more cosmopolitian - you've shifted in your own ideals. Since you were one of the more extreme cosmos, I suspect your change of score has shifted it between the two cabinets.

[Unibot III]

It would be interesting to see the degree of movement GCRs took over the years. For example, over a 3 year period, how many X and Y steps TNP, TEP, NPO, etc. had moved over all study periods.

I can tell you that with what limited information I have, NPO shifts very very little, TEP was stable in defenderist-regionalist for at least two years, TNP has snaked around all over the grid.

I'm not sure that I'd characterize regionalism/cosmopolitanism in those terms per se.

Exclusivity and regionalism may be bedfellows, but I don't believe the concept of regionalism begins with being an "exclusive" club per se. I think it more relates to the disposition of the individual in the region. Do they have a singular base of operation (the region in this case) or are they influenced by/influencing multiple regions.

To me the regionalist would like a region where people are fully committed to that particular region and not entangled elsewhere. A byproduct of that may be that they "exclude" others who are committed elsewhere, but the concept of regionalism, in my opinion, is not reactionary in the sense that the purpose is not to "keep out" those wacko cosmopolitans but it is to foster an environment where people's primary and mostly only commitment is to the region.

Cosmopolitans by and large don't care about where one comes from but I would also argue that many cosmopolitans have strong opinions about other cosmopolitans bringing their extra-regional entanglements into internal politics. That seems hypocritical on the surface, but I believe the struggle between the cosmos and regionals boils down to this - cosmopolitans believe that people can be active/loyal participants in multiple regions successfully whereas regionalists do not believe that this is possible and almost always leads to a person having to choose between one region or another.

So I'm not sure if it's Inclusive vs Exclusive so much as people answering the question on what is the profile of the person who can actively participate in regional politics and add value. Regionals don't believe people with multiple extra-regional entanglements can do this while the cosmos disagree. However, both groups do have a sense of desiring "what's best for the region", for the most part, and cosmos are not altruistic inclusive people, in my opinion, nor are regionalists motivated by creating an exclusive club just to keep others out.

I think you're emphasizing the "loyal to one region and one region only" aspect to regionalism - which regionalists like to do, because it's more politically correct and can make "dirty cosmopolitans" look bad.

However, it's an entirely backwards way to look at regionalism. It's kind of like a conservative saying that Conservatism is about "saving money and better government" and Liberalism is about "spending money and bigger government" - it overlooks all of the ideology behind these views and gives us the political soundbite version.

Reality is, if you look at who has the most shared memberships across the GCRs, 3/5 of them will be staunch and card-carrying regionalists. This is an easy and predictable phenomenon if you go with my explanation, it just looks downright hypocritical if we go with your explanation.

A theory simply based on whether people think they can commit to multiple regions would be bankrupt of theoretical value - all it takes is proof of one person able to commit to multiple regions well to blow the "regionalist" 's thinking out of the water.

Regionalism and Cosmopolitanism go much deeper than simply the basic fact of whether people can commit to multiple regions, it's a normative debate on how open a region ought to be. This is why you can find zealous regionalists with a wallet full of citizenships and Cosmopolitans like Glen-Rhodes who only maintain one citizenship passionately. When people like McMasterdonia characterize Glen-Rhodes's behavior as "regionalist" (despite Glen's protests), this is just another case of regionalists not really understanding cosmopolitanism.

[Glen-Rhodes]

The pendulum shift is coming from Kring's score and the lack of a Geomania or Arbiter08 score on record. Also your old score was a lot more cosmopolitian - you've shifted in your own ideals. Since you were one of the more extreme cosmos, I suspect your change of score has shifted it between the two cabinets.

I can't remember how many times I've taken the quiz... I'll need to get everybody to (re)take it, so we can have a proper composite. Speaking of which, how is the composite score created? Is it simply an average?

Really, I think the whole methodology of the quiz should be explained. From the source code, I can see the points for each question, but there's no telling how those points are categorized and manipulated to create the scores.

[Unibot III]

The pendulum shift is coming from Kring's score and the lack of a Geomania or Arbiter08 score on record. Also your old score was a lot more cosmopolitian - you've shifted in your own ideals. Since you were one of the more extreme cosmos, I suspect your change of score has shifted it between the two cabinets.

I can't remember how many times I've taken the quiz... I'll need to get everybody to (re)take it, so we can have a proper composite. Speaking of which, how is the composite score created? Is it simply an average?

Really, I think the whole methodology of the quiz should be explained. From the source code, I can see the points for each question, but there's no telling how those points are categorized and manipulated to create the scores.

I've said it before.

0.5 weight for delegate's score
0.5 weight for average of the rest of the executive.

Therefore, changes in the delegacy can make more pronounced shifts on the compass, while changes in the executive make a less pronounced impact. I can usually tell you what is causing a shift through simple process of elimination and isolation.

EDIT: Faregeto and Kring recently did the test. Kring's score of 6.5 | 0 was likely the major cause of the shift, since it's a lot different than Escade's -11 | -2.

[The North Polish Union]

"Vile vortices"? Really?

Isn't it awesome?

Alliteration is fun.

[Darwinish Brentsylvania]

I have puppets in dozens of regions, and I try to keep active in them all.

Anyway, I've noticed that all regions have either stayed in their same spot, or shifted towards raiderism, except Lazarus.

Like Glen I'm also confused about the shift in TSP, I should say. I don't see how can we be leaning to the right.

Yeah, you guys just helped liberate a region, and haven't done any raids as far as I'm aware of.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

TSP has been a regionalist community for at least the past year in my opinion.

TSP has been "regionalist" for most of it's existence, with late 2011 through to late 2012 as the principle exception.

[Unibot III]

TSP has been a regionalist community for at least the past year in my opinion.

TSP has been "regionalist" for most of it's existence, with late 2011 through to late 2012 as the principle exception.

Not at all. TSP is probably the most openly cosmopolitian out of all of the feeders. Kringalia has brought with him a movement towards regionalism - I believe he identifies as a regionalist.

[Unibot III]

Isn't it awesome?

Alliteration is fun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vile_Vortices

Vile vortices are the "black holes" identified in the compass, where the regions appear to be converging towards. Just a term once again that I've borrowed from literature for my purposes.

[Kringalia]

TSP has been "regionalist" for most of it's existence, with late 2011 through to late 2012 as the principle exception.

Not at all. TSP is probably the most openly cosmopolitian out of all of the feeders. Kringalia has brought with him a movement towards regionalism - I believe he identifies as a regionalist.

Well...I honestly don't follow your definitions of regionalism and cosmopolitanism, so I wouldn't be able to say. In terms of score, the last time I took the test, a few days ago, I got 0, and previously as Vice Delegate I got -1.5.