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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:05 am

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Kaboomlandia wrote:It amuses me to no end to see the WFE telling people to endorse URA, yet Mediobogdum is in the Delegate seat.

It amuses me to no end to see idiots like you not understanding how transitions work.

I'd like to say that darlings like you amuse me, but you don't.
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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:11 pm

So, The West Pacific... I heard you guys are having some... uh... issues?
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Postby Lord Ravenclaw » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:16 pm

Ridersyl wrote:So, The West Pacific... I heard you guys are having some... uh... issues?


Not at all, I'm told. I'm also told I have a fixation on the past and "pre-conceptions".

-sigh-

I've telegrammed the delegate asking for information.
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Postby Cormac Stark » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:40 pm

By The West Pacific's standards, this looks like a fairly normal transition from a Delegate who didn't have time to be Delegate to one who does. TWP's system is more flexible than most and with the other Guardians still listed on the WFE, the forum still linked, etc., it doesn't look like there's any actual cause for concern. This is basically why the Guardians exist in TWP.

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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:43 pm

Cormac Stark wrote:By The West Pacific's standards, this looks like a fairly normal transition from a Delegate who didn't have time to be Delegate to one who does.


It may look that way, until you read this quote from the "Guardian" who took the delegacy from RussoAsia.

Well, I'm back again after a much shorter period of time than I thought was possible or likely. Will do a little housekeeping over the next while and we'll take it from there. RussoAsia has been AWOL for too long for the health of TWP and it may be some time before I agree to step down again. I am not one for change for the sake of it but, for the sake of TWP, change was needed.


Does that sound like a normal transition? By the way, the 'AWOL' period was RussoAsia being AFK for 3 days due to the holiday weekend.
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Postby Cormac Stark » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:48 pm

Ridersyl wrote:
Well, I'm back again after a much shorter period of time than I thought was possible or likely. Will do a little housekeeping over the next while and we'll take it from there. RussoAsia has been AWOL for too long for the health of TWP and it may be some time before I agree to step down again. I am not one for change for the sake of it but, for the sake of TWP, change was needed.


Does that sound like a normal transition? By the way, the 'AWOL' period was RussoAsia being AFK for 3 days due to the holiday weekend.

All I'm saying is this is normal by TWP's standards, yes. Trying to hold TWP to other Feeders' and Sinkers' standards is an exercise in futility; trust me, I've been there.

The new Delegate can't remove all of the other Guardians from the region, so if they want him to step down all they have to do is force him to step down. That's how TWP's Guardian system works. In the meantime, he hasn't even removed the other Guardians from the WFE, the forum is still linked, etc. While the phrasing of "it may be some time before I agree to step down again" might look troubling, it should be kept in mind that TWP Delegates usually serve for a year or more. And it's not like RussoAsia was a forum-elected Delegate with a fixed term; his term ends whenever a new Delegate is elected, and a new Delegate has been.

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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:00 pm

I don't really care about going by "The West Pacific's standards".

This was supposed to be the "transition" from the old TWP to the newbie TWP. Anyone with concerns and worries were abrasively told off about them by the old guard. Then, right away, the newbie TWP pulls this nonsense out of a hat, kicking the transition's golden boy out of his seat for a really dumb reason.
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Postby Cormac Stark » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:05 pm

Ridersyl wrote:I don't really care about going by "The West Pacific's standards".

Okay. But why should they care about going by yours?

Ridersyl wrote:This was supposed to be the "transition" from the old TWP to the newbie TWP. Anyone with concerns and worries were abrasively told off about them by the old guard. Then, right away, the newbie TWP pulls this nonsense out of a hat, kicking the transition's golden boy out of his seat for a really dumb reason.

And it still is a transition from the old guard to the new guard. The transition was from old Guardians to new Guardians, not just from one Delegate to the next. The new Guardians are still in place and one of those Guardians is the current Delegate. By TWP's standards, the only standards that matter in TWP, everything is normal. I'm not sure why people outside TWP care or are making an issue of it, to be honest.
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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:11 pm

Cormac Stark wrote:
Ridersyl wrote:I don't really care about going by "The West Pacific's standards".

Okay. But why should they care about going by yours?

Never said they should. ;)

Cormac Stark wrote:And it still is a transition from the old guard to the new guard. The transition was from old Guardians to new Guardians, not just from one Delegate to the next. The old Guardians are still in place and one of those Guardians is the current Delegate. By TWP's standards -- the only standards that matter in TWP -- everything is normal.


Well, it'll be interesting to see who rises to the seat when the sitting delegate goes "AWOL" for Thanksgiving. And then, when that one goes "AWOL" for Christmas... Since this is normal by TWP standards. :roll:

Cormac Stark wrote:I'm not sure why people outside TWP care or are making an issue of it, to be honest.

Probably something to do with foreign affairs, general curiosity, interest in the activities of fellows GCR's, and the like.
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Postby Luxdonia » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:14 pm

Another reason why democracy is the best system. What a joke.
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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:17 pm

I wouldn't mind a non-democratic system if it was done right. Unlike the NPO's "What is Activity?" and TWP's "All The Stupidity!" ones... :?
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Postby Cormac Stark » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:22 pm

Ridersyl wrote:Well, it'll be interesting to see who rises to the seat when the sitting delegate goes "AWOL" for Thanksgiving. And then, when that one goes "AWOL" for Christmas... Since this is normal by TWP standards. :roll:

TWP expects a lot of in-game activity from its Delegate. Was United RussoAsia actively tarting? One would suspect not, if it was that easy for another Guardian to overtake him. Was he regularly posting on the RMB before the three day absence? Was he dealing with RMB adspam in a timely manner?

I don't think outsiders are in any position to judge whether he was active enough. If TWPers aren't up in arms about his replacement, it would seem that they agree he wasn't active enough. I can't stress enough that an active Delegate probably wouldn't have been overtaken by a Guardian in the first place, so there's that.

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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:31 pm

Time to use the activity page to answer your questions!

Cormac Stark wrote:
Ridersyl wrote:Well, it'll be interesting to see who rises to the seat when the sitting delegate goes "AWOL" for Thanksgiving. And then, when that one goes "AWOL" for Christmas... Since this is normal by TWP standards. :roll:

TWP expects a lot of in-game activity from its Delegate. Was United RussoAsia actively tarting?


Before his absence, yes.

Cormac Stark wrote:One would suspect not, if it was that easy for another Guardian to overtake him.


He was in the delegate seat for ONE DAY before the holiday weekend caused his absence.

Cormac Stark wrote:Was he regularly posting on the RMB before the three day absence? Was he dealing with RMB adspam in a timely manner?


Holy shit. Almost so much that it was overkill.

Cormac Stark wrote:I don't think outsiders are in any position to judge whether he was active enough. If TWPers aren't up in arms about his replacement, it would seem that they agree he wasn't active enough. I can't stress enough that an active Delegate probably wouldn't have been overtaken by a Guardian in the first place, so there's that.


This is why research is key. By the way, most TWP'ers probably just trusted and followed the "Guardian" and his bullshit reason for taking charge. How aware are most GCR randoms of what's really going on in their regional government, in your experience?
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Postby Cormac Stark » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:48 pm

Upon further investigation -- that is, actually reading the TWP RMB -- I've learned that United RussoAsia was completely absent for about four days because he was hospitalized for food poisoning. During that time, the RMB had ~700 messages, including an enormous amount of spam. It's not at all surprising that, not hearing from the Delegate for four days, having no idea what was going on, and with the RMB descending into chaos, a different Guardian was put into the Delegacy.

This is a non-issue.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:58 pm

The appropriate phrase is "nothing to see here, move along please". The SOP amongst TWP's Delegate and Guardians is to keep one another informed of absences. As it turned out URA went into hospital with food poisoning and was incommunicado.

Under such circumstances when the Delegate has appeared to go awol, then it is quite acceptable for a Guardian to move into the role temporarily, for the security of the region.

It will all get sorted out, no problem.

Edit: ninja'd. Thanks Cormac. :)
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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:01 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:It will all get sorted out, no problem.

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Postby United RussoAsia » Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:22 pm

I would like to reaffirm that I was indeed quite poisoned and unable to NS or do much at all, actually, other then try to keep the hospital food down. The guardians made exactly the right decision.
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Postby Vhearun » Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:44 pm

I am glad you're feeling better! Food poisoning is just nasty!
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Postby That Called the Vlagh » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:36 am

As usual, uninformed and unaffected nations chiming in on matters that do not concern them.

We are pleased to find that United RussoAsia has returned to health and I feel certain the Guardians will be able to sort out the necessary power arrangements.

Ridersyl, the non-democratic system in TWP has been stable for a very long time. The non-democratic system in The Pacific has been in place for over a dozen years. Someone is doing something right...
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Postby Riftey » Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:38 am

Luxdonia wrote:Another reason why democracy is the best system. What a joke.

Okay I'm not gonna comment on the matter of his activity because frankly I don't know what they expect or how active he is...

But in what fucking world can we conclude inactivity is in anyway related to democracy? Honestly an appointed inactive offical is just as bad as an elected one. If not better since a new one can be appointed faster then elected.

Rather then just preaching utter bullshit which doesn't relate to the region but rather to some ideological quest you and your buddies are on - you actually put forward some form of arguement which is coherent.
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Postby Aenglaland » Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:09 am

That Called the Vlagh wrote:Someone is doing something right...


It's easier to keep the establishment than question or even reform it, right? Less work involved, less doors open, less dust in the air...Who knows what's under the carpet :p

Anyway, I hope United RussoAsia is feeling better now.
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Postby Pierconium » Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:38 am

Aenglaland wrote:
That Called the Vlagh wrote:Someone is doing something right...


It's easier to keep the establishment than question or even reform it, right? Less work involved, less doors open, less dust in the air...Who knows what's under the carpet :p

Anyway, I hope United RussoAsia is feeling better now.

I work fairly hard at maintaining the establishment and I assume TWP does as well.

And I know exactly what's under the carpet.
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Postby Ikania » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:06 am

That Called the Vlagh wrote:As usual, uninformed and unaffected nations chiming in on matters that do not concern them.

We are pleased to find that United RussoAsia has returned to health and I feel certain the Guardians will be able to sort out the necessary power arrangements.

Ridersyl, the non-democratic system in TWP has been stable for a very long time. The non-democratic system in The Pacific has been in place for over a dozen years. Someone is doing something right...

North Pacific's doing something right too...

Plus, who needs activity anyways?

Ridersyl wrote:I wouldn't mind a non-democratic system if it was done right. Unlike the NPO's "What is Activity?" and TWP's "All The Stupidity!" ones... :?

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Postby Pierconium » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:10 pm

Ikania wrote:
That Called the Vlagh wrote:As usual, uninformed and unaffected nations chiming in on matters that do not concern them.

We are pleased to find that United RussoAsia has returned to health and I feel certain the Guardians will be able to sort out the necessary power arrangements.

Ridersyl, the non-democratic system in TWP has been stable for a very long time. The non-democratic system in The Pacific has been in place for over a dozen years. Someone is doing something right...

North Pacific's doing something right too...

Plus, who needs activity anyways?

Ridersyl wrote:I wouldn't mind a non-democratic system if it was done right. Unlike the NPO's "What is Activity?" and TWP's "All The Stupidity!" ones... :?

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The North Pacific does a lot of things 'right' but it is not what one would traditionally consider a stable environment if reviewed over a long term.

The Pacific and The West Pacific both have active communities, just with different aims and perspectives than those espoused by people that believe a small offsite oligarchy is somehow actually different to what the NPO has developed.
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Postby United RussoAsia » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:20 pm

Thanks for all the sympathy.

And yes, food poisoning is nasty...
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