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The Stately Quadrille: GCR Alliances Mapped

Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:32 pm

So, having been briefly bored I've started mapping out the current interlocking system of alliances in the GCR's. What I've currently got is by no means comprehensive, detailing only the GCR's and the four most significant UCR GP groups currently around. I'm sure someone else with more time/better software could produce something a hell of a lot better;

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It doesn't really reveal anything new, but it is interesting to see the complete break between the two prevailing alliances in the GCR's; the Independent sphere based around the old "Triple Alliance" of TNP-TSP-Osiris (which was in the process of becoming a "Quadruple Alliance" with Balder before the collapse of the KRO) and the Defender sphere based around the FRA, TRR and Lazarus. TEP is tied into the Defender sphere via alliances with Lazarus and UDL, but isn't defender itself. Finally, we have TWP and TP - TP is tied to Lazarus via alliance, and somewhat close to UDL these days, but is broadly speaking Independent. TWP in turn is allied only to TP, the only GCR to share it's views on the primacy of the in-game Delegate.

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So, time for predictions. I think it's likely that as the OFO continues to stabilize and gain legitimacy there will be moves to restore the TSP-Osiris and TNP-Osiris treaties, rebuilding the alliance structure that existed back in 2012-13, but now with Balder as a fourth member of the group. There's been a recent Independent/Neutral reaction to Unibot led attempts to turn TEP into a defender region, but I suspect that fight is far from over. There will definitely be further attempts to bring TEP firmly into the Defender sphere in 2014 though, especially if the Independent sphere continues to stabilizes and built up its network of bi-lateral alliances, or moves towards a formal multi-lateral treaty. TWP will continue to do whatever it is exactly that TWP does. The wild card is TP, who tend to adopt a policy of opposing whichever UCR grouping is currently trying to exercise influence in the GCR's.
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Postby Zaolat » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:36 pm

Mmh, would you be able to graph what happened pre-coups Osiris era (2012 I think)?
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Postby Fortress Altum » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:42 pm

TWP is allied to Albion who in turn is allied to Balder, Osiris, TNI and Euro.

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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:46 pm

Zaolat wrote:Mmh, would you be able to graph what happened pre-coups Osiris era (2012 I think)?

Probably, yes. Sov-Con/TA period?
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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:49 pm

Fortress Altum wrote:TWP is allied to Albion who in turn is allied to Balder, Osiris, TNI and Euro.

I'm aware of that, but I haven't put Albion on yet. If I have time tomorrow I'll add in groups like Albion, Mordor, Equilism, etc. Essentially any UCR with two or more GCR alliances.
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Postby Unibot III » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:08 pm

I agree largely with this analysis -- but I think TWP should be connected with Osiris, TNI, Albion, TP. The gains made by imperialists in TWP have been subtle and overlooked by analysts.

I would see TWP and TNP as the most "interconnected" with the two major blocs.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:09 pm

Unibot III wrote:I agree largely with this analysis -- but I think TWP should be connected with Osiris, TNI, Albion, TP. The gains made by imperialists in TWP have been subtle and overlooked by analysts.


Read the post just above.

I'm aware of that, but I haven't put Albion on yet. If I have time tomorrow I'll add in groups like Albion, Mordor, Equilism, etc.
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Postby Unibot III » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:10 pm

Also NPO and TEP should be connected.
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Postby Zaolat » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:11 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:
Zaolat wrote:Mmh, would you be able to graph what happened pre-coups Osiris era (2012 I think)?

Probably, yes. Sov-Con/TA period?


Exactly
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Postby Unibot III » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:12 pm

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Unibot III wrote:I agree largely with this analysis -- but I think TWP should be connected with Osiris, TNI, Albion, TP. The gains made by imperialists in TWP have been subtle and overlooked by analysts.


Read the post just above.

I'm aware of that, but I haven't put Albion on yet. If I have time tomorrow I'll add in groups like Albion, Mordor, Equilism, etc.


Not just Albion. I'm suggesting Bel flip TWP's position to above TP and connect it with TNI and Osiris and TP.

It also goes with out saying, TEP is not "independent" - it vetoed that term to describe itself. In the Identity Act, TEP states it does want to use that term. Therefore the yellow coloring there is wrong -- NPO also does not use the independent tag and I'm not sure if NPO would subscribe to any such name that was associate itself with the likes of Balder.
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Postby PrussianEmpire » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:16 pm

TEP should have a line connecting it to TP.
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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:23 pm

Unibot III wrote:
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Read the post just above.



Not just Albion. I'm suggesting Bel flip TWP's position to above TP and connect it with TNI and Osiris and TP.

It also goes with out saying, TEP is not "independent" - it vetoed that term to describe itself. In the Identity Act, TEP states it does want to use that term.

TEP may have rejected the term, but for practical purposes it is an Independent region in that it isn't Raider or Defender, and connects military policy to broader political and foreign policy objectives.

Right now I'm just mapping formal alliances, so TWP is not going to gain all those links, but it will probably move. The GCR's placement in the circle was simply done wherever I could link them with the fewest overlaps, but I'm probably going to have to move them around a lot when I add more UCR's.
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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:30 pm

PrussianEmpire wrote:TEP should have a line connecting it to TP.

I could not find a NPO-TEP treaty in TEP's treaty archives thread. Link?
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Postby PrussianEmpire » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:39 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:
PrussianEmpire wrote:TEP should have a line connecting it to TP.

I could not find a NPO-TEP treaty in TEP's treaty archives thread. Link?

We don't have a formal treaty but our regions are very close.
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Postby Unibot III » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:42 pm

TEP may have rejected the term, but for practical purposes it is an Independent region in that it isn't Raider or Defender, and connects military policy to broader political and foreign policy objectives.


The latter is not necessarily the case. Your analysis would be more accurate with TEP and NPO, coloured grey or something to show an unspecification.
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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:31 pm

PrussianEmpire wrote:
South Pacific Belschaft wrote:I could not find a NPO-TEP treaty in TEP's treaty archives thread. Link?

We don't have a formal treaty but our regions are very close.

This graph shows alliances, as they are formal statements of foreign policy. How close two regions are is a subjective determination that will differ according to who you ask.
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Postby Zaolat » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:39 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:
PrussianEmpire wrote:We don't have a formal treaty but our regions are very close.

This graph shows alliances, as they are formal statements of foreign policy. How close two regions are is a subjective determination that will differ according to who you ask.


Indeed, it's better this way, because it removes additional bias.
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Postby the Imperial Crown » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:58 pm

Very interesting chart, thank you for your work here Bel, and I'd be very keen to see any Pre-OFO charts for Osiris.
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Postby PrussianEmpire » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:09 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:
PrussianEmpire wrote:We don't have a formal treaty but our regions are very close.

This graph shows alliances, as they are formal statements of foreign policy. How close two regions are is a subjective determination that will differ according to who you ask.

Sorry, didnt realize until i had posted about it.
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South Pacific Belschaft wrote:
PrussianEmpire wrote:We don't have a formal treaty but our regions are very close.

This graph shows alliances, as they are formal statements of foreign policy. How close two regions are is a subjective determination that will differ according to who you ask.


If that's the case then UDL and Lazarus don't currently have a treaty; military cooperation and some shared members perhaps, but no formal writing. One was probably discussed at some point or another, but (unless I need to go back and review our allies more closely :P ) never signed. At the moment Lazarus' only treatied groups/regions on this chart would be TP, TEP, FRA, and TRR. XYZ treaty with some prominent defender regions (Mordor, RIA, and TRR again) plus Wintreath are also treatied allies but not on the chart, as you said.
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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:37 pm

Kazmr wrote:
South Pacific Belschaft wrote:This graph shows alliances, as they are formal statements of foreign policy. How close two regions are is a subjective determination that will differ according to who you ask.


If that's the case then UDL and Lazarus don't currently have a treaty; military cooperation and some shared members perhaps, but no formal writing. One was probably discussed at some point or another, but (unless I need to go back and review our allies more closely :P ) never signed. At the moment Lazarus' only treatied groups/regions on this chart would be TP, TEP, FRA, and TRR. XYZ treaty with some prominent defender regions (Mordor, RIA, and TRR again) plus Wintreath are also treatied allies but not on the chart, as you said.

I thought you guys had signed one of those absurd UDL military assistance agreements?
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South Pacific Belschaft wrote:
Kazmr wrote:
If that's the case then UDL and Lazarus don't currently have a treaty; military cooperation and some shared members perhaps, but no formal writing. One was probably discussed at some point or another, but (unless I need to go back and review our allies more closely :P ) never signed. At the moment Lazarus' only treatied groups/regions on this chart would be TP, TEP, FRA, and TRR. XYZ treaty with some prominent defender regions (Mordor, RIA, and TRR again) plus Wintreath are also treatied allies but not on the chart, as you said.

I thought you guys had signed one of those absurd UDL military assistance agreements?

No agreement that I've ever been made aware of. And given that I was on the State Council for the entirety of the PRL before becoming delegate, which is the group responsible for approving treaties, I would hope an agreement didn't get passed without my knowledge XD
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Kazmr wrote:
South Pacific Belschaft wrote:This graph shows alliances, as they are formal statements of foreign policy. How close two regions are is a subjective determination that will differ according to who you ask.


If that's the case then UDL and Lazarus don't currently have a treaty; military cooperation and some shared members perhaps, but no formal writing. One was probably discussed at some point or another, but (unless I need to go back and review our allies more closely :P ) never signed. At the moment Lazarus' only treatied groups/regions on this chart would be TP, TEP, FRA, and TRR. XYZ treaty with some prominent defender regions (Mordor, RIA, and TRR again) plus Wintreath are also treatied allies but not on the chart, as you said.

Indeed, TEP shares no alliance with UDL. We just have an apparent mutual respect.
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Postby Ramaeus » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:40 pm

Todd McCloud wrote:Indeed, TEP shares no alliance with UDL. We just have an apparent mutual respect.

That and, for some reason, Ballotonia's shield...
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Postby Kazmr » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:44 pm

I think one thing that may be worth noting is that the 'Alliance' in the bottom half of your map isn't so much a set of interlocking treaties at the moment as it is a nexus that Lazarus somehow seems to be in the middle of. Whereas we're treaties allies with TRR, TEP, and TP at the moment, those three don't have any explicit treaty on file (though as others have pointed out, in the case of TEP and TP, lack of a treaty doesn't mean lack of close ties).
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