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I am merely taking a logical approach to something that is completely illogical.

A waste of talent is engaging in a conflict that will never end. Many have taken the same path and failed, but many have also taken the path of Defender and Raider and failed.

Just because nobody has ever been successful before, doesn't mean I won't be. Just think about it for a moment. What if I was successful? Would I be the first? And what would you say then?

Nephmir wrote:I am merely taking a logical approach to something that is completely illogical.

A waste of talent is engaging in a conflict that will never end. Many have taken the same path and failed, but many have also taken the path of Defender and Raider and failed.

Just because nobody has ever been successful before, doesn't mean I won't be. Just think about it for a moment. What if I was successful? Would I be the first? And what would you say then?

"Gee, that one little on-the-fence group tried to change the game mechanics and failed to do so" is what I anticipate I will say.

Very well then. I will not argue with you any more. If what you're doing is so successful, then by all means keep doing it.

What do you mean 'the conflict will never end'. There is no one conflict to speak of. As long as the game mechanics allow them to happen, it will, but R/D is not 'the conflict'.

Neph, you won't be successful. better men than you have tried. I don't need to consider the hypothetical because your opponent is not TBR. Its not the FRA. Its not the UDL. Its not TBH. It UIAF or ERN, or RKA, or the Sekhmet. Its not TITO or LLA, or SDF, Or whatever Mordor's Military acronym is ( ) or anything like that.

You are declaring war on the game mechanics. You are tilting at windmills, trying to command the tides.

Your enemy is the fundamental mechanics of the game. And they will always win.

Try to find a better definition of success. I think your dictionary is broken if you think you can pull a sarcasm and say 'if what you're doing is so successful' like it actually works as a sarcastic remark.

Nephmir wrote:

New Charlzilla wrote:I CAN justify what I said(that this is a failed region). Nephmir said this in the locked thread:

"Before I get more people, I must first prove that power does not reside in numbers, but courage and strength. Only once I have proved that, by first playing the role of Invader, then I can begin to accept more."

So have you proved it? It's been 1 month! I thought he would have done something significant and different by now but all he's done is done some novice-level raiding of regions which are on the brink of non-existence/contain non-active players, spew rhetoric on the forum and make empty promises to those who actually believe him. He's not any different from any other noob raider region. I hope we can all see this once and for all.

*Oh yeah, please take my name & quote off your signature. I never gave you official permission to use it.

How many times do I have to say it? This grows tiresome

For the last time, you expect too much too soon. late February is when it all begins. Everything up to this point has been training.

Kyuji wrote:Wil you be creating one for the black riders , so that evryone can watch your battle?

That is an interesting idea. I'm not sure how I'd go about doing that, though.

Well you create a series of maps , with each part of a map representing a region.

For this example I'll consider TBR.

Lets say me make a massive map, containing all near-900 conquered regions. That would take a while, and need to be constantly updated with new conquests and the few regional CTE's. We'd carve out a little foothold of invasion, as the volcanic-island-like formation just continued to grow. And yes, until we are practiced enough to match their pace, that is kind of a metaphor for our entire effort.

As a R&D group, to make a map including all potential conquests to be taken, we'd have to include the entire world, no? Or we could just map ours, but that fails to give much better of a comparison than just looking at the two embassy lists.

I guess you could make a giant TBR mass, and just calculate the percentage we've taken, but again- time consuming, when we have better uses of time.

Nephmir wrote:Very well then. I will not argue with you any more. If what you're doing is so successful, then by all means keep doing it.

Successful? R/D is not a war (unless you're a UDL-tier moralist, in which case you don't deserve to participate in serious discussions), because it's for fun. There's no end-game, putting all rhetoric aside. We're having a laugh.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:For this example I'll consider TBR.

Lets say me make a massive map, containing all near-900 conquered regions. That would take a while, and need to be constantly updated with new conquests and the few regional CTE's. We'd carve out a little foothold of invasion, as the volcanic-island-like formation just continued to grow. And yes, until we are practiced enough to match their pace, that is kind of a metaphor for our entire effort.

As a R&D group, to make a map including all potential conquests to be taken, we'd have to include the entire world, no? Or we could just map ours, but that fails to give much better of a comparison than just looking at the two embassy lists.

I guess you could make a giant TBR mass, and just calculate the percentage we've taken, but again- time consuming, when we have better uses of time.

Except you'll never capture 900 regions? Make a 15 regions map and replace the spots with new names as you loose and gain regions..you never went above that during your month of existence. If you took a look at your leader megalomanical plans you'd see they're hardly in line with what is possible. You seem to be the voice of reason, so use it not only to defend your region, but also to consider critically its leadership and plans. We'll see how long it takes before you and the others who joined realize that they are vain.

PS: if you wonder what the plan is about, it involves destroying every military organisation of significance in the game, conquering and removing every single founderless region and last but not least conquering every sinker. Now, I'm sure you'll have a very logical and rational way to explain how you intend to do this? Or Will we simply get the usual ''we'll see when we kick things off next month?''...

I think I already heard that before!

I know, I've been saying "next month" like all of January!

We are capable of Defending our own regions. We just did last update.

They know of the plan, and they see sense, that is why they joined me. But I will leave it to them to respond to that, not me.

Also, it's no surprise how the other regions like this failed, what with the entire world beating them down. I can take it, but please don't pin this on my region.

Nephmir wrote:I know, I've been saying "next month" like all of January!

We are capable of Defending our own regions. We just did last update.

They know of the plan, and they see sense, that is why they joined me. But I will leave it to them to respond to that, not me.

Also, it's no surprise how the other regions like this failed, what with the entire world beating them down. I can take it, but please don't pin this on my region.

The defenders fucked up their trigger so badly they actually updated in their JP. That required 0 skill on your part.

Yes, but on a phone that takes 1 minute to load a page, I don't think I did that bad.

Not to mention the defense against The Black Riders halfway through.

Defender that fucked up, here. Can confirm, kind of. The two of us that didn't update were two seconds late, the third guy jumped almost 10 seconds after. That's what I get for starting with 6 second triggers and a new guy

Don't get too ahead of yourself, Nephmir. We approached this as training from the start. We would have used a bit more caution if it was something serious.

I figured as much. I was a little dissapointed that only 3 showed up.

Also when a delegate has 2 endos, your point(s) will need 3. So uhh yeah defenders need math and troops >.>

The second didn't endo until after we moved.

Venico wrote:Also when a delegate has 2 endos, your point(s) will need 3. So uhh yeah defenders need math and troops >.>

Ha! I didn't even notice that!

Nephmir wrote:I know, I've been saying "next month" like all of January!

We are capable of Defending our own regions. We just did last update.

They know of the plan, and they see sense, that is why they joined me. But I will leave it to them to respond to that, not me.

Also, it's no surprise how the other regions like this failed, what with the entire world beating them down. I can take it, but please don't pin this on my region.

So, have you told them how you intend to destroy foundered regions, conquer and hold all GCRs (simultaneously) and destroy every founderless region in the game?

If you want us to believe your plan is feasible, explain to us how you intend to achieve it.

Cerian Quilor wrote:

Nephmir wrote:I know, I've been saying "next month" like all of January! :lol:

We are capable of Defending our own regions. We just did last update.

They know of the plan, and they see sense, that is why they joined me. But I will leave it to them to respond to that, not me.

Also, it's no surprise how the other regions like this failed, what with the entire world beating them down. I can take it, but please don't pin this on my region.

So, have you told them how you intend to destroy foundered regions, conquer and hold all GCRs (simultaneously) and destroy every founderless region in the game?

If you want us to believe your plan is feasible, explain to us how you intend to achieve it.

To be fair, a plans' chances of success are inversely proportional to how much the audience knows about it beforehand.

So if he told you, it wouldn't work. People would know how to foil it.

I think the best course of action is to wait until february, and leave him to his insane ramblings and/or masterminding.

TVTropes are not arguements.

FMxSoul wrote:Except you'll never capture 900 regions?¹ Make a 15 regions map and replace the spots with new names as you lose and gain regions..you never went above that during your month of existence.² If you took a look at your leader megalomanical plans you'd see they're hardly in line with what is possible.³ You seem to be the voice of reason, so use it not only to defend your region, but also to consider critically its leadership and plans⁴. We'll see how long it takes before you and the others who joined realize that they are vain.⁵

PS: if you wonder what the plan is about, it involves destroying every military organisation of significance in the game, conquering and removing every single founderless region and last but not least conquering every sinker. Now, I'm sure you'll have a very logical and rational way to explain how you intend to do this? ⁶Or Will we simply get the usual ''we'll see when we kick things off next month?''...⁷

I think I already heard that before!

1- Why not? Even if we only get four divisions taking fifteen an update three updates a week (pretty reasonable expectation, no?) That's only about a month of work. I think I at least can get up to 20-30 in the next few times, now that I have a pawn who doesn't require three to four minutes to switch due to internet problem, and I also think I can cover more than three days a week once my men have some experience.

2-WHy is that necessary? Sure, it's cool. MAybe one of us will do it in our spare time. BUt it's not necessary, and one of our core ideals is efficiency.

3-Yes, we have some hefty goals. One must Aim Big if one wants to be remembered. It's also necessary to take it by steps. Our first step, as you know, is to combat your people. That's a big goal in itself, and one with a cloudy endgame. What is clear is that no plan or tactic to date has worked, whether in Gameplay or in trying to change Gameplay. And little as it is, we're already taking more from you than many defenders, however little that still is.

4- Actually, I have. I do believe I've even influenced some of them. Some more minor aspects have changed- Namely each division is forestalling their named goal in favor of focusing on one collective one (as discussed above, one thing at a time), in effect becoming individual units for training. In the end though, it comes down to one thing: Trust. Though we may not know details of the plan (in part due to the fact that telling us practically guarantees everyone will know sooner or later) we trust our King and his unspoken plans. Like any trust, it can be worthy or unworthy, but only time can tell that one.

5-If that ever happens regionwide, my TG box is open

6-Again, I don't know much more details than are publicly available, but one consideration is that some of that may be chaff. In another aspect, you're almost helpful to us in the idea of removing funderless regions. While we are currently just tagging, for training and publicity, switching to destruction isn't that hard. In a recent debate on the matter, someone went after us by say that we're basically out to clean up your trash. As I replied, that's not inaccurate. You put gather it up and put in on the curb, we'll start by taking it away. We could also destroy them before you even get them, reducing targets for you, but for the time being taking yours begins fulfil two goals.

7-Timelines have a tendency to stretch. That does not mean they are impossible to complete.

I hope I have addressed that fully.

- Ever-Wandering Souls

I don't see why so many people are getting upset about this...

Taking 15 an update 3 updates a week...



Took TBR a looooooooooooooooooong time to get there. And while you're claiming regions each update, so is TBR. And TBR will claim region's you've claimed faster than you can reclaim them.

The North Polish Union wrote:I don't see why so many people are getting upset about this...

This whole thing has always been annoying. Random people approaching a dumb, impossible idea like "Destroy the Black Riders!"

"The Eternal Knights" is like the ugly brainchild of those people, and unlike them, it's unlikely to go away. That means the occasional stupid annoyances have given birth to a consistent annoyance.

Cerian Quilor wrote:Taking 15 an update 3 updates a week...



Took TBR a looooooooooooooooooong time to get there. And while you're claiming regions each update, so is TBR. And TBR will claim region's you've claimed faster than you can reclaim them.

We're not to far off. Remember, we have no reservations about taking their leavings. And if they reclaim theirs, they are using resources that are then not taking more. Does that not have the effect of reducing their growth? Is that not more than defenders are achieving?

Ridersyl wrote:This whole thing has always been annoying. Random people approaching a dumb, impossible idea like "Destroy the Black Riders!"

"The Eternal Knights" is like the ugly brainchild of those people, and unlike them, it's unlikely to go away. That means the occasional stupid annoyances have given birth to a consistent annoyance.

It's only impossible until it's not. It was once thought impossible for man to fly, to travel across the world in a day, to visit the ocean floor, to talk to someone thousands of miles away, to do many of the things we don't even think twice about. To sit upon your throne and say it is impossible for you to fall is to invite someone to try, and to not be prepared for them to do so. Few, if any, things are truly impossible, given time and determination. No, we are not going to go away, to give up. If we are a constant annoyance, good. That shows what we've been trying to prove- we're serious, and we have at least some impact. If the "occasion stupid annoyance" is defenders as they are, and the "consistent annoyance" is us, by your own classification we're doing more against you than defenders are. If that doesn't make us serious, what does?

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:<snip>
- Ever-Wandering Souls

You're working for the wrong people. I guess if this keeps you from doing any real damage...