NationStates

Consular wrote:

Shadow Afforess wrote: Capitalist Paradise has the best automated internal security forces, famous for detecting and eliminating a raid from The New Inquisition before it even became a threat.

Your intelligence network is so very impressive. I saw the memo you released the other day concluding TNI was responsible. Firstly, you can say you eliminated that before it was a threat, but as I recall it you only became aware of it just in time to restrict Delegate controls before you lost everything.

We monitored it for weeks, I have plenty of IRC logs & Acario & Drasnia can back me up. We wanted to be sure we caught all of them. Even with what we ejected, there were about 4 nations that snuck through the cracks. There is no point in ejecting raiders at the first sign, that just tips them off that we know. We didn't eject them because we were afraid of them taking over...the delegate had a plenty strong lead.

Consular wrote:Secondly, it took you until now to decide who was responsible, really? That's an awfully long time.

Most of the nations involved simply ceased to exist. Some of the stragglers we missed ended up returning to puppet storage regions, particularly those controlled by TNI.

Consular wrote:Thirdly, you really have no idea who was actually behind that, do you?

If you know something I don't, do share with the rest of us.

Do you have links to the nations that went to the puppet storage regions that you think TNI owns? As I recall, TNI doesn't have any.

Christopher Bishop wrote:Do you have links to the nations that went to the puppet storage regions that you think TNI owns? As I recall, TNI doesn't have any.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=crac ... d_top_hats

That is the one I remember off the top of my head.

Where a nation goes in the aftermath is irrelevant. Besides, TNI doesn't actually operate indpendant military projects these days - as part of UIAF, the three members work together.

Cerian Quilor wrote:Where a nation goes in the aftermath is irrelevant. Besides, TNI doesn't actually operate indpendant military projects these days - as part of UIAF, the three members work together.

Stop using dirty puppets. I would remain clueless if it hadn't been for that.

Non-Updaters tend to keep one World Assembly nation active. You still seem clueless to who actual was planning raiding you, I don't recall TNI actually helping out on that.

At some point it stops mattering: they all work together anyway.

Mahaj wrote:At some point it stops mattering: they all work together anyway.

My thoughts exactly. What matters is our ability to spot and remove raider threats. Who is behind it really matters little since raiders can not be counterattacked in any meaningful way anyway.

Shadow Afforess wrote:If you know something I don't, do share with the rest of us.

No, I don't think so. I'll let this remain an ongoing source of amusement for everyone who actually knows what happened.

soon I'll have to leave CP if all this keeps going on...

Mahaj wrote:At some point it stops mattering: they all work together anyway.

Spoken like a true 'I have no idea what is ever going on in the world' person.

Cerian Quilor wrote:

Mahaj wrote:At some point it stops mattering: they all work together anyway.

Spoken like a true 'I have no idea what is ever going on in the world' person.

Raider Unity is definitely a thing, but ultimately the raiders responsible are vastly unimportant. You can't attack raider organizations in any legal way and raiders use puppets. The best you could hope to achieve is a stalemate.

Not really interested in that since I have no need for the vast sea of useless regions outside of CP. Keep your info, it doesn't matter and changes nothing. Capitalist Paradise is safe from you or anyone else.

Raider Unity is a meaningless term used to describe a complex system of alliances, friendships and self-interest. But who actually instigates an operation is critical to understanding the operation.

For someone who doesn't care about the rest of the world, you spend a lot of time in GP.

Kantrian Recruiter wrote:For someone who doesn't care about the rest of the world, you spend a lot of time in GP.

I care about what affects me, or what could affect me. For example, that Milograd is head of Lazarus presents me with an opportunity to recruit plenty of victims from his purges. You'll notice I don't comment in raider threads.

But you do call them scum.

Shadow Afforess wrote:I care about what affects me, or what could affect me. For example, that Milograd is head of Lazarus presents me with an opportunity to recruit plenty of victims from his purges.

His purely hypotetical purges, I will note.

Mad Jack wrote:But you do call them scum.

I do view people who advocate real life murder based on inconvenience as scum, yes. Do go dig up that quote and check it.

Shadow Afforess wrote:

Mad Jack wrote:But you do call them scum.

I do view people who advocate real life murder based on inconvenience as scum, yes. Do go dig up that quote and check it.

I found it. You replied to someone saying "To use your analogy, if you wander around on a freeway, you no longer have an expectation of safety and you should understand you put yourself in danger."

How the hell is that advocating real life murder based on inconvenience?

Yeah, at most it would be manslaughter, not murder.

Now, what are we even talking about?

The North Polish Union wrote:

Shadow Afforess wrote:I do view people who advocate real life murder based on inconvenience as scum, yes. Do go dig up that quote and check it.

I found it. You replied to someone saying "To use your analogy, if you wander around on a freeway, you no longer have an expectation of safety and you should understand you put yourself in danger."

How the hell is that advocating real life murder based on inconvenience?

You always have an expectation of safety, it's a fundamental human right. To say they do not is to take it away deliberately, which is murder.

Shadow Afforess wrote:

The North Polish Union wrote:
I found it. You replied to someone saying "To use your analogy, if you wander around on a freeway, you no longer have an expectation of safety and you should understand you put yourself in danger."

How the hell is that advocating real life murder based on inconvenience?

You always have an expectation of safety, it's a fundamental human right. To say they do not is to take it away deliberately, which is murder.

And then we remember that this is a game and no-one is actually getting run over

Anumia wrote:

Shadow Afforess wrote:You always have an expectation of safety, it's a fundamental human right. To say they do not is to take it away deliberately, which is murder.

And then we remember that this is a game and no-one is actually getting run over

That's why I only used the word scum. That is like a 6 on the horrible-words scale. I think for a real-life murder advocate some much more NSFW words would be involved.

Shadow Afforess wrote:

The North Polish Union wrote:
I found it. You replied to someone saying "To use your analogy, if you wander around on a freeway, you no longer have an expectation of safety and you should understand you put yourself in danger."

How the hell is that advocating real life murder based on inconvenience?

You always have an expectation of safety, it's a fundamental human right. To say they do not is to take it away deliberately, which is murder.

When you voluntarily are running around on a freeway, you must acknowledge that in doing so, you have willingly forfeited the right to safety until you leave the freeway.

The North Polish Union wrote:

Shadow Afforess wrote:
You always have an expectation of safety, it's a fundamental human right. To say they do not is to take it away deliberately, which is murder.

When you voluntarily are running around on a freeway, you must acknowledge that in doing so, you have willingly forfeited the right to safety until you leave the freeway.

There are plenty of situations in which that might not be so.

If I jump in front of moving traffic, I can't claim that the driver is at fault for my action.