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Postby Shadow Afforess » Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:56 pm

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Shadow Afforess wrote: Capitalist Paradise has the best automated internal security forces, famous for detecting and eliminating a raid from The New Inquisition before it even became a threat.

Your intelligence network is so very impressive. I saw the memo you released the other day concluding TNI was responsible. Firstly, you can say you eliminated that before it was a threat, but as I recall it you only became aware of it just in time to restrict Delegate controls before you lost everything.


We monitored it for weeks, I have plenty of IRC logs & Acario & Drasnia can back me up. We wanted to be sure we caught all of them. Even with what we ejected, there were about 4 nations that snuck through the cracks. There is no point in ejecting raiders at the first sign, that just tips them off that we know. We didn't eject them because we were afraid of them taking over...the delegate had a plenty strong lead. :)

Consular wrote:Secondly, it took you until now to decide who was responsible, really? That's an awfully long time.

Most of the nations involved simply ceased to exist. Some of the stragglers we missed ended up returning to puppet storage regions, particularly those controlled by TNI.

Consular wrote:Thirdly, you really have no idea who was actually behind that, do you?

If you know something I don't, do share with the rest of us. ;)
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Postby Christopher Bishop » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:44 pm

Do you have links to the nations that went to the puppet storage regions that you think TNI owns? As I recall, TNI doesn't have any. :P

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Postby Shadow Afforess » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:48 pm

Christopher Bishop wrote:Do you have links to the nations that went to the puppet storage regions that you think TNI owns? As I recall, TNI doesn't have any. :P

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=crac ... d_top_hats

That is the one I remember off the top of my head.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:51 pm

Where a nation goes in the aftermath is irrelevant. Besides, TNI doesn't actually operate indpendant military projects these days - as part of UIAF, the three members work together.
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:52 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:Where a nation goes in the aftermath is irrelevant. Besides, TNI doesn't actually operate indpendant military projects these days - as part of UIAF, the three members work together.

Stop using dirty puppets. I would remain clueless if it hadn't been for that.
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Postby Christopher Bishop » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:56 pm

Non-Updaters tend to keep one World Assembly nation active. You still seem clueless to who actual was planning raiding you, I don't recall TNI actually helping out on that.

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Postby Mahaj » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:14 pm

At some point it stops mattering: they all work together anyway.
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:16 pm

Mahaj wrote:At some point it stops mattering: they all work together anyway.

My thoughts exactly. What matters is our ability to spot and remove raider threats. Who is behind it really matters little since raiders can not be counterattacked in any meaningful way anyway.
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Postby Consular » Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:47 am

Shadow Afforess wrote:If you know something I don't, do share with the rest of us. ;)


No, I don't think so. I'll let this remain an ongoing source of amusement for everyone who actually knows what happened. :)

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Postby Singpu » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:17 am

soon I'll have to leave CP if all this keeps going on...
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I'm sorry, but I can't tell what you're saying...

Translation: utceforp, can ezungal go ahead and goto Farla? Also, sorry if my typing and reading is off noticeably, my eye doctor dialated my eyes, so...

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:13 am

Mahaj wrote:At some point it stops mattering: they all work together anyway.

Spoken like a true 'I have no idea what is ever going on in the world' person.
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:48 am

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Mahaj wrote:At some point it stops mattering: they all work together anyway.

Spoken like a true 'I have no idea what is ever going on in the world' person.

Raider Unity is definitely a thing, but ultimately the raiders responsible are vastly unimportant. You can't attack raider organizations in any legal way and raiders use puppets. The best you could hope to achieve is a stalemate.

Not really interested in that since I have no need for the vast sea of useless regions outside of CP. Keep your info, it doesn't matter and changes nothing. Capitalist Paradise is safe from you or anyone else.
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Postby Kantrian Recruiter » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:04 am

Raider Unity is a meaningless term used to describe a complex system of alliances, friendships and self-interest. But who actually instigates an operation is critical to understanding the operation.

For someone who doesn't care about the rest of the world, you spend a lot of time in GP.

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Postby Shadow Afforess » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:13 am

Kantrian Recruiter wrote:For someone who doesn't care about the rest of the world, you spend a lot of time in GP.

I care about what affects me, or what could affect me. For example, that Milograd is head of Lazarus presents me with an opportunity to recruit plenty of victims from his purges. You'll notice I don't comment in raider threads.
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Postby Mad Jack » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:47 am

But you do call them scum. :roll:
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Postby Frattastan II » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:16 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:I care about what affects me, or what could affect me. For example, that Milograd is head of Lazarus presents me with an opportunity to recruit plenty of victims from his purges.


His purely hypotetical purges, I will note. :P
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:53 pm

Mad Jack wrote:But you do call them scum. :roll:

I do view people who advocate real life murder based on inconvenience as scum, yes. Do go dig up that quote and check it.
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Postby The North Polish Union » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:51 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
Mad Jack wrote:But you do call them scum. :roll:

I do view people who advocate real life murder based on inconvenience as scum, yes. Do go dig up that quote and check it.


I found it. You replied to someone saying "To use your analogy, if you wander around on a freeway, you no longer have an expectation of safety and you should understand you put yourself in danger."

How the hell is that advocating real life murder based on inconvenience? :eyebrow:
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Postby Frattastan II » Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:54 pm

Yeah, at most it would be manslaughter, not murder.

Now, what are we even talking about?
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Postby Shadow Afforess » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:05 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:I do view people who advocate real life murder based on inconvenience as scum, yes. Do go dig up that quote and check it.


I found it. You replied to someone saying "To use your analogy, if you wander around on a freeway, you no longer have an expectation of safety and you should understand you put yourself in danger."

How the hell is that advocating real life murder based on inconvenience? :eyebrow:


You always have an expectation of safety, it's a fundamental human right. To say they do not is to take it away deliberately, which is murder.
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Postby Anumia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:10 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:
I found it. You replied to someone saying "To use your analogy, if you wander around on a freeway, you no longer have an expectation of safety and you should understand you put yourself in danger."

How the hell is that advocating real life murder based on inconvenience? :eyebrow:


You always have an expectation of safety, it's a fundamental human right. To say they do not is to take it away deliberately, which is murder.


And then we remember that this is a game and no-one is actually getting run over :)

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Postby Shadow Afforess » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:12 pm

Anumia wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:You always have an expectation of safety, it's a fundamental human right. To say they do not is to take it away deliberately, which is murder.

And then we remember that this is a game and no-one is actually getting run over :)


That's why I only used the word scum. That is like a 6 on the horrible-words scale. I think for a real-life murder advocate some much more NSFW words would be involved. :)
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Postby The North Polish Union » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:22 pm

Shadow Afforess wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:
I found it. You replied to someone saying "To use your analogy, if you wander around on a freeway, you no longer have an expectation of safety and you should understand you put yourself in danger."

How the hell is that advocating real life murder based on inconvenience? :eyebrow:


You always have an expectation of safety, it's a fundamental human right. To say they do not is to take it away deliberately, which is murder.

When you voluntarily are running around on a freeway, you must acknowledge that in doing so, you have willingly forfeited the right to safety until you leave the freeway.
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Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.

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Postby Shadow Afforess » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:23 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
Shadow Afforess wrote:
You always have an expectation of safety, it's a fundamental human right. To say they do not is to take it away deliberately, which is murder.

When you voluntarily are running around on a freeway, you must acknowledge that in doing so, you have willingly forfeited the right to safety until you leave the freeway.

There are plenty of situations in which that might not be so.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:43 pm

If I jump in front of moving traffic, I can't claim that the driver is at fault for my action.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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