[NEWS] Erudite Observer

[Mad Jack]

Heh.

You're neither a threat or dangerous. My objection to Nazi Europe's continued existence has nothing to do with you being Nazis/neo-Nazis/fascists/NatSocs/fluffy bunnies.

Then what is it?

I'm having trouble finding a reason for objecting to their existence other than them being Nazis...

They broke Rule 1.

[Reploid Productions]

Due to threats from moderators about continued actions, I must end my journalism career here. I appreciate all the loyal readers. Unfortunately, all good things come to an end, even if the bad things continue.

To head off further confusion of the actual incident, *** Erudite Observer as well as their main have been deleted for posting-past-forumban. ***

Hopefully they'll serve out the remainder of their forumban without further such incidents.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[The North Polish Union]

Then what is it?

I'm having trouble finding a reason for objecting to their existence other than them being Nazis...

I have a question, why is the whole nazism a non-issue? Surely if we had apartheid groups... you'd find them inappropriate?

I'm not sure what you're asking, but I never have said that Naziism is a non-issue. I just don't feel the need to waste my time complaining about it. Personally, I would probably find apartheid groups less offensive that the Nazis we have now.

[Scarsaw]

I'm using established and accepted definitions of Nazism by people in academia much much smarter than you or I.

If you can't handle that, then boo fucking hoo.

No. Especially those in academic study of the topic would greatly disagree with your definition as a simple look into history would prove that genocide was not a tendant of their ideology. You can say the genocide was more of a...symptom, or side effect, of the deadly combination of ethnic nationalism, world anti-Semitism, and other factors.

If I recall correctly one of the more active posters in NE back in the day RPed a reality filled with zombies, which were the part of the society that had to be eliminated.

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You are a NINO, GD, a nazi in name only.

You recall correctly, and it does give me the warm and fuzzes that someone remembered me before I disappeared for a few years. Also, NINO made me literately laugh out loud. I might steal that later for personal use.

You are aware that some of us have actual RL reasons (like, y'know, having a bunch of your ancestors murdered) to stand against something, aren't you?

History is a brutal blood bath, an all nation free-for-all, written to make victims, heroes, and villains out of the mess. To say that one should hold a grudge and be blinded by hate because of what happened to their ancestors, often people they haven't even met, is like saying that those who descended from Celtic tribes should be RL passionately against the Romans and the glorification of their culture in some movies like Gladiator. It makes no sense and it a poor reason to stand against anything as it sounds like an excuse to justify your beliefs rather than actual personal conviction.

My ancestors endured what some would call a genocide by the colonists of North America, my grandmother suffered in the residential schools, and my mother had to endure extreme poverty and racism. Does that mean that I should forever resent the government? Maybe I should scowl at the "white man" and demand money that "should be mine?" Really, nearly everyone's ancestors have been suppressed by another's in history, and in turn I wouldn't be surprised if they suppressed another group. In the world as old as ours, that's just the mathematical odds given how we have developed. But I digress.

The Tl;Dr is that if someone does feel passionately about this topic, they shouldn't hide behind the excuse of what happened to their ancestors as everyone's ancestors have been fucked over at one point or another in history.

I have a question, why is the whole nazism a non-issue? Surely if we had apartheid groups... you'd find them inappropriate?

I wouldn't agree with them, but I wouldn't actively want to see their destruction with blind-hatred. If I cared enough, would much rather engage them in conversation and show the holes in their ideals. If they rather not listen, then I would leave them alone to happily exist in their little corner of NS...of course, snickering to myself every time they say something outrageously foolish.

But then again, I am a large believer in tolerance for others.

They broke Rule 1.

What? Keep it PG-13?

[The Gregorach]

Good interview, GD.

Strictly speaking, a Nazi would be a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei of 1920-1945 Germany. The underlying ideology is called National Socialism, which is pretty much what it sounds like, i.e. a fusion of nationalism and socialism. The genocide which Mad Jack claims is the core of Nazism was actually a means to an end. Mind you I think they shot themselves in the foot, but hey, picking on Jews and Gypsies is traditional. As for the Poles, much f Poland was Germany before Versailles. (For information as to how the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth went from being the largest country in Europe to being carved up by their neighbors, I'd advise reading up on them. Basically they were lousy neighbors.)

As for me, I'm no Nazi. I'm not even a fascist except by the very broadest of definitions (and I'm not talking about the definition American politicians use when they call each other it, which is more akin to the use of the word gay among folks my brother's age. A random insult, in other words.) Best thing to say is I'm a traditionalist, Machiavellian bastard. Although my parents were, in fact, married.

[The North Polish Union]

Poland-Lithuania's problem wasn't that they were shitty neighbors, it's that they had shitty neighbors.

EDIT: And a shitty and inefficient bureaucracy of a government that prevented any meaningful response to foreign threats.

[Silver Seas]

Poland hardly behaved itself as an international actor

[The North Polish Union]

But compared to its neighbors?

[Crazy girl]

How about we stick to discussing gameplay here, and leave RL nazis, Poland etc to NSG? Yes? Thank you.

[Real FFS]

Well, I am noobie here and am confused as to how Islamic Republics of Iran with it's late update time would be an asset for gameplay. Somebody wrote about being it being used as a jump off point, but how EXACTLY does it matter? Can anybody elaborate?

[Ambroscus Koth]

Well, I am noobie here and am confused as to how Islamic Republics of Iran with it's late update time would be an asset for gameplay. Somebody wrote about being it being used as a jump off point, but how EXACTLY does it matter? Can anybody elaborate?

If you have a late updating region, you can use nations placed within to invade any region with an earlier update time. In order to maximize the amount of potential targets, raiders strive to have the latest jump point possible.

[Unibot III]

I think it's hilarious that the whole of Raiderdom seems to be stashed in Islamic Republic trying to keep its prize in their hands -- surely they would be more effective as raiders if they weren't trying to maintain a founderless base. *snorts*

[Consular]

I think it's hilarious that the whole of Raiderdom seems to be stashed in Islamic Republic trying to keep its prize in their hands -- surely they would be more effective as raiders if they weren't trying to maintain a founderless base. *snorts*

I think it's hilarious that you can't seem to do anything about it.

[Karputsk]

For their sake I hope it's a late updating region once the order is shuffled again.

[Sovreignry]

For their sake I hope it's a late updating region once the order is shuffled again.

I personally want to see it become the first updating region.

[Mad Jack]

And we wouldn't care a single bit. We'd just find another one, and if it were founderless, we'd take that one and, yet again, there wouldn't be a single thing you could do about it.

You're literally powerless on the battlefield nowadays, it's.... well it's hilarious.

[Frattastan II]

They broke Rule 1.

What? Keep it PG-13?

It's some rule he made up like "don't mess with roleplayer regions".
It refers to OMD's "Liberate Haven" attempt (Liberation-to-invade).

And we wouldn't care a single bit.

Yeah, because you don't care if it's late-updating or whatever. It's senseless griefing, it doesn't need a reason.
I hope you screw up the refounding and lose it.

[Weed]

I hope you screw up the refounding and lose it.

I'm hoping for they took so long to do it that the next reshuffle comes along and makes it all pointless. *crosses fingers*

[Astarial]

Yeah, because you don't care if it's late-updating or whatever. It's senseless griefing, it doesn't need a reason.

That something's strategic worth is known to be impermanent does not invalidate the value that it does have in the meantime. Whether or not you agree with the Sekhmet Legion's decision to take IRI doesn't affect their strategic calculations, and it's remarkably shortsighted to say that there cannot be more thought going into gaining a tactical advantage than simply the enjoyment of wanton destruction.

I personally want to see it become the first updating region.

Thus giving the SLO a reason to raid, grief, and refound another founderless region? That's not very considerate.

[Mad Jack]

I hope you screw up the refounding and lose it.

I'm hoping for they took so long to do it that the next reshuffle comes along and makes it all pointless. *crosses fingers*

Making it clear that, yet again, defenders can't do anything to stop us is pointless?

[Cerian Quilor]

What? Keep it PG-13?

It's some rule he made up like "don't mess with roleplayer regions".
It refers to OMD's "Liberate Haven" attempt (Liberation-to-invade).

An act that OMD engaged in that had nothing to do with the rest of NE. And OMD is inactive and not around.

Yes, makes perfect sense.

[Frattastan II]

I'm hoping for they took so long to do it that the next reshuffle comes along and makes it all pointless. *crosses fingers*

Making it clear that, yet again, defenders can't do anything to stop us is pointless?

I don't think anyone needed to read this forum to find out that a defender liberation of IRI isn't feasible at this point in time.

[Weed]

I'm hoping for they took so long to do it that the next reshuffle comes along and makes it all pointless. *crosses fingers*

Making it clear that, yet again, defenders can't do anything to stop us is pointless?

Well I mean of course it would have political impacts, if the refound doesn't go well it'd be a further reinforcement that everything Osiris touches turns clusterfail.

I'm sure you'll get it though, just be sure to continue to let UIAF do all the work for you. So long as Osiris never tries to stand on her own two feet again, she's guaranteed not to fail. It's the best strategy y'all have ever tried.

[Tim-Opolis]

I'm hoping for they took so long to do it that the next reshuffle comes along and makes it all pointless. *crosses fingers*

Making it clear that, yet again, defenders can't do anything to stop us is pointless?

We apologize for having less updaters than you do Imperialist cannon fodder.

[Mad Jack]

Yawn. Can defenders make their mind up over whether we're TBR-lite or a puppet for UIAF?

And then can defenders explain why defenders co-operating together doesn't make the defender group with less WAs a puppet of the others, which is the exact same thing the increasingly irrelevant, hysterical and ridiculous Topid is accusing Osiris of?