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German Dragons
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Postby German Dragons » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:17 am

Hahaha! Who'd thought I'd receive a little backup from the forum; that never happens. I identify more with Fascism than Nazism.

What you're trying to point out is Neo-Nazism, Mad Jack. And are you saying that just because one of the more extreme NatSoc's made it in power and made a bad name for the rest of them, that we all absolutely have to adhere to everything he did and supported? Am I not allowed to disagree with things and adapt my view to support my own personal morals? Which I have regardless if you want to believe it.

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Postby Mad Jack » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:28 am

Actually what I was describing was Nazism, unless you're going to claim that the Nazi Party that ruled Germany until 1945 were actually Neo-Nazis.

(i'd also take issue with you saying just one group of NatSoc's got in and made a bad name for themselves, considering the ruling groups of several eastern European countries during that period but I think that that is a conversation best left to NSG.
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Postby German Dragons » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:43 am

Even if it was, ideologies have a spectrum of views on it. It's not all black and white here as you're trying to paint it.

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Postby Weed » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:57 am

German Dragons wrote:Even if it was, ideologies have a spectrum of views on it. It's not all black and white here as you're trying to paint it.

Heh. Actually that raises a good point. We've actually gotten to the point where the Anti-Nazi GCR crowd is saying our nazis are not extreme enough and should support genocide or not call themselves Nazis. Instead of being glad we've progressed to the point that even Nazis aren't genocidal, there are complaints? Anyone still doubt this is all just political theatre to be able to say they stand against something and get emotional about? :roll:

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Postby German Dragons » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:08 am

Call me what you will. Just as long as it's not the monster that everyone thinks we all are. Times have changed; only a fool would refuse to recognize that.

Go ahead, Mad Jack, you and all the GCR gurus keep portraying me as a "threat" and "dangerous" to fuel your crusade against us. If I know my politics, the US is doing that with the Middle East right now as all rulers at war with someone has. It won't stop us from existing and we won't be held down no matter what you throw at us. I'll continue to fight for my right to exist and there's nothing you can do about it.

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:17 am

Weed wrote:
German Dragons wrote:Even if it was, ideologies have a spectrum of views on it. It's not all black and white here as you're trying to paint it.

Anyone still doubt this is all just political theatre to be able to say they stand against something and get emotional about? :roll:

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Postby The North Polish Union » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:40 am

Weed wrote:Anyone still doubt this is all just political theatre to be able to say they stand against something and get emotional about? :roll:

You are aware that some of us have actual RL reasons (like, y'know, having a bunch of your ancestors murdered) to stand against something, aren't you?
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Postby Erudite Observer » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:07 am

Due to threats from moderators about continued actions, I must end my journalism career here. I appreciate all the loyal readers. Unfortunately, all good things come to an end, even if the bad things continue.

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:09 am

Erudite Observer wrote:Due to threats from moderators about continued actions, I must end my journalism career here. I appreciate all the loyal readers. Unfortunately, all good things come to an end, even if the bad things continue.

... What?
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Postby German Dragons » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:11 am

Erudite Observer wrote:Due to threats from moderators about continued actions, I must end my journalism career here. I appreciate all the loyal readers. Unfortunately, all good things come to an end, even if the bad things continue.


Threats? Let's see them. There's nothing but a civil discussion on the content of an interview going on here. Neither has Mad Jack or I have insulted one another or escalated this to the point of hostility so much that it requires moderator intervention.

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Postby Weed » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:16 am

>:( I actually enjoyed the paper, it was one of the better papers written for raiders.
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Postby Silver Seas » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:50 am

The North Polish Union wrote:
Weed wrote:Anyone still doubt this is all just political theatre to be able to say they stand against something and get emotional about? :roll:

You are aware that some of us have actual RL reasons (like, y'know, having a bunch of your ancestors murdered) to stand against something, aren't you?

Yes, but fighting Nazis in this game doesn't have any RL impact, doesn't honor your dead ancestors, and acting like it does is just pathetic. :)

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Postby Silver Seas » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:52 am

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Erudite Observer wrote:Due to threats from moderators about continued actions, I must end my journalism career here. I appreciate all the loyal readers. Unfortunately, all good things come to an end, even if the bad things continue.

... What?

Agreed. What the heck?

Those mods had better come in here and explain what on earth they're trying to pull.

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Postby The North Polish Union » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:04 pm

Silver Seas wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:You are aware that some of us have actual RL reasons (like, y'know, having a bunch of your ancestors murdered) to stand against something, aren't you?

Yes, but fighting Nazis in this game doesn't have any RL impact, doesn't honor your dead ancestors, and acting like it does is just pathetic. :)

I didn't say it did. I felt that Weed's post implied that the only reason people hate Nazis in this game is to score political points, which isn't true.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
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Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.

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Postby Silver Seas » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:12 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
Silver Seas wrote:Yes, but fighting Nazis in this game doesn't have any RL impact, doesn't honor your dead ancestors, and acting like it does is just pathetic. :)

I didn't say it did. I felt that Weed's post implied that the only reason people hate Nazis in this game is to score political points, which isn't true.

Its also laziness. If you are so broken up by relatives killed by the Nazis, fight Nazism, Facism and Hate IRL, don't do it in a game like NS.

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Postby Charax » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:15 pm

Erudite Observer wrote:Due to threats from moderators about continued actions, I must end my journalism career here. I appreciate all the loyal readers. Unfortunately, all good things come to an end, even if the bad things continue.

I'm greatly sad to hear that. This was one of, if not the best, paper on NSGP of late. And I also want to know what the mods are playing at, quite frankly.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:16 pm

Silver Seas wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:... What?

Agreed. What the heck?

Those mods had better come in here and explain what on earth they're trying to pull.


We're not pulling anything.

Like always, complaints regarding moderator conduct should be handled via the proper channels.

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Postby The North Polish Union » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:17 pm

Silver Seas wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:I didn't say it did. I felt that Weed's post implied that the only reason people hate Nazis in this game is to score political points, which isn't true.

Its also laziness. If you are so broken up by relatives killed by the Nazis, fight Nazism, Facism and Hate IRL, don't do it in a game like NS.

Why can't I do it both places? :p

But seriously, there's no reason that I shouldn't voice my dislike of an ideology here. And I've never been one of the people crusading to ban all the Nazis etc. Its not as if I'm wasting energy hating people on the internet.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.

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Postby Weed » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:32 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
Silver Seas wrote:Yes, but fighting Nazis in this game doesn't have any RL impact, doesn't honor your dead ancestors, and acting like it does is just pathetic. :)

I didn't say it did. I felt that Weed's post implied that the only reason people hate Nazis in this game is to score political points, which isn't true.

My post refers specifically to the GCR crowds that tend to talk about Nazis quite a bit.

Dislike is one thing, I dislike nazism and the region of Nazi Europe. And yet the Liberation is bunk and the formation of gameplay armies whom only raid Nazis is also bunk.
The Blaatschapen wrote:Like always, complaints regarding moderator conduct should be handled via the proper channels.
We're not complaining just would like to know why the paper can't go on from whichever party. The only rule I can think of in this situation is replying to your own puppet so as someone who posts often in GP I am curious as to what rule was broken, not just out of liking the paper but also not wanting to do it myself.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:37 pm

Weed wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Like always, complaints regarding moderator conduct should be handled via the proper channels.
We're not complaining just would like to know why the paper can't go on from whichever party. The only rule I can think of in this situation is replying to your own puppet so as someone who posts often in GP I am curious as to what rule was broken, not just out of liking the paper but also not wanting to do it myself.

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Postby Weed » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:38 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Weed wrote: We're not complaining just would like to know why the paper can't go on from whichever party. The only rule I can think of in this situation is replying to your own puppet so as someone who posts often in GP I am curious as to what rule was broken, not just out of liking the paper but also not wanting to do it myself.

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Oooooh, gotcha. Makes a lot more sense. ;)
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Postby Ice Cold Pepsi » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:31 pm

An interesting interview indeed.
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Postby Mad Jack » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:32 pm

German Dragons wrote:Go ahead, Mad Jack, you and all the GCR gurus keep portraying me as a "threat" and "dangerous" to fuel your crusade against us.

Heh.

You're neither a threat or dangerous. My objection to Nazi Europe's continued existence has nothing to do with you being Nazis/neo-Nazis/fascists/NatSocs/fluffy bunnies.
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The North Polish Union
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Postby The North Polish Union » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:36 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
German Dragons wrote:Go ahead, Mad Jack, you and all the GCR gurus keep portraying me as a "threat" and "dangerous" to fuel your crusade against us.

Heh.

You're neither a threat or dangerous. My objection to Nazi Europe's continued existence has nothing to do with you being Nazis/neo-Nazis/fascists/NatSocs/fluffy bunnies.

Then what is it?

I'm having trouble finding a reason for objecting to their existence other than them being Nazis...
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.

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Postby Solorni » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:39 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
Mad Jack wrote:Heh.

You're neither a threat or dangerous. My objection to Nazi Europe's continued existence has nothing to do with you being Nazis/neo-Nazis/fascists/NatSocs/fluffy bunnies.

Then what is it?

I'm having trouble finding a reason for objecting to their existence other than them being Nazis...

I have a question, why is the whole nazism a non-issue? Surely if we had apartheid groups... you'd find them inappropriate?
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