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17/10/2013 - Strange Bedfellows: Raiders & Defenders Protest Regional Welcome Telegrams
15/10/2013 - Ten months later: The North Pacific v. Grosseschnauzer continues
14/10/2013 - “Osiris is raider – bar Ravania from joining Osiris’s government” says Biyah, Security Vizier
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Postby NS Confidential » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:55 pm

“Osiris is raider – bar Ravania from joining Osiris’s government” says Biyah, Security Vizier

THEBES, OSIRIS -- Biyah, Security Vizier, says it is his opinion as Security Vizier and the “opinions of the majority of the Security Council” that Ravania should be barred from participating in Osiris’s government. Since Osiris is a “raider region”, according to Biyah, Ravania cannot be trusted to leak information if he were a member of Osiris’s government.

Biyah bases his argument on the fact that Ravania leaked raid instructions in The North Pacific Army to other defenders which led to separate investigations by The North Pacific and The United Defenders League in March 2013.

“I have no confidence in his ability to maintain duality in the face of his defender ideals,” says Biyah. Given Osiris has recently attacked regions without provocation, there are growing fears that members may betray Osiris to help these regions.

Contrary to Biyah’s assertions however, Ravania was not found guilty of Treason in The North Pacific – he was found guilty of Espionage and found innocent of Treason in The North Pacific. Likewise, Biyah’s assertions that Ravania “did not stay within The North Pacific to argue his point-of-view” are largely untrue: Ravania did stay to argue his case in court and also stayed to assist the region in its transition from Blue Wolf to Jamie Anumia.

Biyah’s statement however has been instrumental in revealing the new direction of Osiris. Some were shocked to learn Osiris even considered itself a “raider region” (which was later confirmed by The Empress), while others are concerned that the new “raider” orientation could lead to the isolation and demonization of defender-leaning members like Ravania.

-NS Confidential. Oct 14, 2013.

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:26 pm

Nowhere in your interview did Biyah say that Ravania was found guilty of treason. I think his concerns are perfectly justifiable, particularly considering the fact that Rav was found guilty of something in TNP of all places.
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Postby NS Confidential » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:39 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Nowhere in your interview did Biyah say that Ravania was found guilty of treason.


As far as NS Confidential can see, he did accuse Ravania of having been convicted of Treason (which he was not).

See here:

Biyah wrote:"TNP convicted him of treason, but no meaningful punishment was laid on him due to his absence."


http://s13.zetaboards.com/Osiris_NS/topic/7112218/1/
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:40 pm

NS Confidential wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Nowhere in your interview did Biyah say that Ravania was found guilty of treason.


As far as NS Confidential can see, he did accuse Ravania of having been convicted of Treason (which he was not).

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Biyah wrote:"TNP convicted him of treason, but no meaningful punishment was laid on him due to his absence."


http://s13.zetaboards.com/Osiris_NS/topic/7112218/1/

Gotta source that stuff so that we know where to go for the goods. Fair enough.
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Postby Solorni » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:48 pm

In all honesty, given Ravania's reputation as a spy... not sure how he could ever be trusted :P
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Postby Feux » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:03 pm

Solorni wrote:In all honesty, given Ravania's reputation as a spy... not sure how he could ever be trusted :P

You get over it. :P
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Postby McMasterdonia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:03 am

NS Confidential wrote:
“I have no confidence in his ability to maintain duality in the face of his defender ideals,” says Biyah. Given Osiris has recently attacked regions without provocation, there are growing fears that members may betray Osiris to help these regions.

Contrary to Biyah’s assertions however, Ravania was not found guilty of Treason in The North Pacific – he was found guilty of Espionage and found innocent of Treason in The North Pacific. Likewise, Biyah’s assertions that Ravania “did not stay within The North Pacific to argue his point-of-view” are largely untrue: Ravania did stay to argue his case in court and also stayed to assist the region in its transition from Blue Wolf to Jamie Anumia.


He apologized for his actions and publicly acknowledged that he could not be in a region that raids. His decision to remain involved in Osiris seems a bit strange for that reason, given that Osiris raids far more in comparison to TNP.

I quote from his parting statements,which are available on the public record:

"Everyone in this game that actually knows me, knows that I can't stand injustice.

A strange sentence, you might think, from someone that has just leaked classified information.... [...snip]"

And further:

"But as I can't stand injustice I can no longer be a citizen in this region, lead by an acting delegate that supports raids. I hereby resign from the RA and citizenship. (please remask). I am and will always be a defender.
Ravania"


The issue isn't being defender. GCRs change, Osiris was formerly neutral and now it is raider, there is nothing to say that at some point in the future it's path could not change again. That is for the members of Osiris to decide. Ravania should realise, and I am sure he does, the expectations of him as a member of Osiris going forward. If as a member of the deshret he cannot keep what he reads and discusses in that area private from the United Defenders League or other defenders, or if he will not take the trust and faith that his colleagues in Osiris place in him as seriously as he does his commitment to defending then he should reconsider his decision to join the Deshret.

That said, the responsibility is not solely on Ravania either. As a defender he should still have the opportunity to express his opinion on the military policy or any other matter if he is admitted as an equal member of the Deshret. In my eyes, there is nothing wrong with expressing your disapproval as long as it is handled appropriately. Disagree with a decision to tag raid region X, should not mean that citizen does not support Osiris. Disagreements should be kept internal however and leaks should not occur. The problem will be proving who is responsible for military leaks and naturally, many people will be consider Ravania suspect given what happened in TNP a few months ago.

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Postby Charax » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:35 am

Whose pet (muhaha) project is this? Or is it another one of those super secret things that turns out to be Unibot? :meh:
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Dude. It's Scoop Lion now.

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:10 am

Its probably Unibot, yes.
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Postby NS Confidential » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:10 am

Ten months later: The North Pacific v. Grosseschnauzer continues

MAGICALITY CITY, THE NORTH PACIFIC -- In December 2012, Grosseschnauzer, a long-time member of The North Pacific was charged with “fraud” for accusing Kingsborough of aiding a coup.

Grosseschnauzer told the Assembly in his controversial statement: “I blieve [sic] you are aiding a coup d'etat by your actions, and I will continue to seek to have respect given to speech or continue to challenge you illegitimate behavior untl [sic] you do.”

Fraud in The North Pacific is defined as “an intentional deception, by falsehood or omission, made for some benefit or to damage another individual”.

The curious element to this case is that the prosecution seem to be using “fraud” as “slander” – even though slander can be unintentional, fraud cannot be. How one can prove that anyone’s stated beliefs are intentionally deceptive is beyond the understanding of this journalist.

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The court case has been stalled for eleven months largely due to Grosseschnauzer’s health and administrative changes. Punk Daddy has reopened the case in the hopes of reaching a conclusion. We’ll keep you up to date with any new developments.

- Oct. 15 2013, NS Confidential.
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Postby Gabrial Syme » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:43 am

NS Confidential wrote:Ten months later: The North Pacific v. Grosseschnauzer continues

MAGICALITY CITY, THE NORTH PACIFIC -- In December 2012, Grosseschnauzer, a long-time member of The North Pacific was charged with “fraud” for accusing Kingsborough of aiding a coup.

Grosseschnauzer told the Assembly in his controversial statement: “I blieve [sic] you are aiding a coup d'etat by your actions, and I will continue to seek to have respect given to speech or continue to challenge you illegitimate behavior untl [sic] you do.”

Fraud in The North Pacific is defined as “an intentional deception, by falsehood or omission, made for some benefit or to damage another individual”.

The curious element to this case is that the prosecution seem to be using “fraud” as “slander” – even though slander can be unintentional, fraud cannot be. How one can prove that anyone’s stated beliefs are intentionally deceptive is beyond the understanding of this journalist.

Nonetheless…

The court case has been stalled for eleven months largely due to Grosseschnauzer’s health and administrative changes. Punk Daddy has reopened the case in the hopes of reaching a conclusion. We’ll keep you up to date with any new developments.

- Oct. 15 2013, NS Confidential.


Eleven months? That's longer than most RL trials!

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Postby Solorni » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:30 am

Don't they also have a trial with Durk going on?
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You remind me of a youthful Scruff McGruff for some reason.
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Todd McCloud wrote:You remind me of a youthful Scruff McGruff for some reason.


^This. I saw the same thing...

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Postby Venico » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:43 am

The main reason Biyah would like to keep Ravania from the Deshret (legislative body) is because he believes that based on previous actions of Ravania, he can't be trusted inside of the government. Now whether or not this is reasonable is for you to decide but seriously it's not because of R/D and that should stay out of the argument. Especially when it's a non-raider asking for this. There is also the side issue of whether or not Ravania qualifies for membership based on his activity through Spam. However that isn't something that Biyah addressed as security vizier. The fact that Osiris is raider is only mentioned to show that we are against his ideals more and thus are more susceptible to espionage by him. All in all, why did your article start with "Osiris is Raider..." besides sensationalism?
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Venico wrote:The main reason Biyah would like to keep Ravania from the Deshret (legislative body) is because he believes that based on previous actions of Ravania, he can't be trusted inside of the government. Now whether or not this is reasonable is for you to decide but seriously it's not because of R/D and that should stay out of the argument. Especially when it's a non-raider asking for this. There is also the side issue of whether or not Ravania qualifies for membership based on his activity through Spam. However that isn't something that Biyah addressed as security vizier. The fact that Osiris is raider is only mentioned to show that we are against his ideals more and thus are more susceptible to espionage by him. All in all, why did your article start with "Osiris is Raider..." besides sensationalism?


Because as you said: being "raider" is one of Biyah's starting premises. If Osiris wasn't "raider", it would be less of an issue having Ravania in Osiris's government. Also, the fact the government was calling itself "raider" came as a belated surprise to some (including this author).
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This screaaaaams Unibot.
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Solorni wrote:This screaaaaams Unibot.


This is genius. I should start my own anonymous news and everyone will assume Unibot. Instant credability. :)
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:23 am

Venico wrote:The main reason Biyah would like to keep Ravania from the Deshret (legislative body) is because he believes that based on previous actions of Ravania, he can't be trusted inside of the government.


There are plenty of leaky people in Osiris, so it's not just that Ravania leaked an innocuous thread about how TNP makes its sausage.

I was also surprised to learn that Osiris is officially a raider region. I knew Cormac had started to use the Osiris army to raid, but it's news to me that they're exclusively raider. I foresee this causing much more drama in the future.

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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:30 am

Glen-Rhodes wrote:
Venico wrote:The main reason Biyah would like to keep Ravania from the Deshret (legislative body) is because he believes that based on previous actions of Ravania, he can't be trusted inside of the government.


There are plenty of leaky people in Osiris, so it's not just that Ravania leaked an innocuous thread about how TNP makes its sausage.

I was also surprised to learn that Osiris is officially a raider region. I knew Cormac had started to use the Osiris army to raid, but it's news to me that they're exclusively raider. I foresee this causing much more drama in the future.

It was news to a number of people inside Osiris. Asta made the decision, but it seems no one felt the need to actually inform the Deshret.
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Postby Cormac A Stark » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:44 am

Glen-Rhodes wrote:I was also surprised to learn that Osiris is officially a raider region. I knew Cormac had started to use the Osiris army to raid, but it's news to me that they're exclusively raider. I foresee this causing much more drama in the future.

Osiris is not officially a raider region, to clarify this point. Osiris is an independent region open to people of diverse gameplay backgrounds, as evidenced by the presence of raiders, defenders, independents, and neutrals in our new Deshret (regional assembly). The recommendation Biyah made to exclude Ravania was made for specific security reasons and was not merely to do with his being a defender. If this were just about Ravania being a defender, other defenders -- like Campinia and Mahaj, both in the Deshret, one running for Speaker and the other nominated for it (by me, no less!) -- would also have been targeted as they are both much more active in the region and more likely than Ravania to be active in the Deshret.

The Sekhmet Legion is, however, a raider military as determined by those who are willing to step up and command it and the majority of those who are participating in it. To be blunt, all of Osiris' defenders are already in other defender orgs and defend with those orgs. They don't need to defend with Osiris' military and moreover aren't very likely to do so given their previous commitment to other orgs. At least half of the Sekhmet Legion, meanwhile, aren't involved in other active raider military orgs and several aren't in any other military orgs at all. And these are the people who want to raid with the Sekhmet Legion. There's no reason to also defend, contrary to the wishes of those actively participating, just to meet some standard of political correctness.

As a note, I'm not using the Legion to do anything. I'm commanding the Legion and trying to keep it active doing what those who are actually participating want to do.

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Postby Venico » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:45 am

Exclusively raider is not true. Asta has stated on several occasions that she is open to a defender army as long as we can work out the logistics for how the two would work together. And Ravania being a defender was not a starting premise. It was that Ravania has been known to leak intel after being sworn to oath. Campania who is affiliated with the UDL (and possibly the head of intelligence if his signature is up to date? I'll admit I'm not too up to date on their internals, at the least former head of intelligence) isn't being rejected. My point is that this isn't and won't be an R/D issue. Yes the fact that Osiris has raiding interests in mind was brought up as a reason his actions might be multiplied. It was not a starting premise. I really wish people would read what I post instead of just highlighting one thing. Context people.
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Postby Venico » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:47 am

Afforess wrote:
Solorni wrote:This screaaaaams Unibot.


This is genius. I should start my own anonymous news and everyone will assume Unibot. Instant credability. :)


Also why the hell would Unibot be credible? O.o
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