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Topid
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Postby Topid » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:54 pm

Feederite was used. Is this news service posted elsewhere and then reposted here or something?
EDIT: Oh, NS++, nevermind I get the point now.
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Mad Jack
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Postby Mad Jack » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:07 am

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:
Glen-Rhodes wrote:
There are plenty of leaky people in Osiris, so it's not just that Ravania leaked an innocuous thread about how TNP makes its sausage.

I was also surprised to learn that Osiris is officially a raider region. I knew Cormac had started to use the Osiris army to raid, but it's news to me that they're exclusively raider. I foresee this causing much more drama in the future.

It was news to a number of people inside Osiris. Asta made the decision, but it seems no one felt the need to actually inform the Deshret.

Could this be because the Deshret has no business interfering with the military? This is how it has always been in Osiris. Always.
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Mad Jack
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Postby Mad Jack » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:11 am

Tim-Opolis wrote:It's even worse when you've never split the identities, until today.

Actually she's been saying that Detective Figs and Astarial are separate for a while.
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The Dourian Embassy
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Postby The Dourian Embassy » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:45 am

Tim-Opolis wrote:
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Indeed you have, and such a mistake is terribly distressing. Poor Astarial does not even have an account on Osiris' forum!

Dear me, you'd almost think forum posts aren't accompanied with some sort of identifying name...


Duality is bad and you should feel bad.
It's even worse when you've never split the identities, until today.
Astarial = Detective Figs = Asta = Silly = Detective Figs. There's not much more to it.


Hate to be taking Asta's side here, but there are numerous occasions in IRC in which she's complained/argued/talked about her own duality. More than once she has queried me specifically to ask me to stop calling her Asta on the Osiris forums, and to instead call her Detective Figs.

Of course it's ironic that the same people supporting her are complaining about this guy maybe being Unibot, no? Let's just focus on the message, alright?
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Postby Alyekra » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:57 am

It's worth noting that the idea for welcome telegrams began as an alternative recruiting option for GCR's.
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Detective Figs
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Postby Detective Figs » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:43 am

Tim-Opolis wrote:Duality is bad and you should feel bad.
It's even worse when you've never split the identities, until today.
Astarial = Detective Figs = Asta = Silly = Detective Figs. There's not much more to it.


Well, that's demonstrably false. I've protested numerous times over the past several months the attribution of my delegacy or other position in Osiris to nations not present in Osiris.

Astarial is not and never has been delegate of Osiris - and unless something truly weird happens, never will be.

Seriously, you should learn to check posting histories before making claims that are easily falsifiable.

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The Dourian Embassy
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Postby The Dourian Embassy » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:48 am

Detective Figs wrote:Well, that's demonstrably false. I've protested numerous times over the past several months the attribution of my delegacy or other position in Osiris to nations not present in Osiris.

Astarial is not and never has been delegate of Osiris - and unless something truly weird happens, never will be.

Seriously, you should learn to check posting histories before making claims that are easily falsifiable.


Well as I said earlier, I can attest to you maintaining that "duality". But you can't fault a large portion of the community for thinking the whole concept of duality is bunk, right?

WE ARE VERY OFF TOPIC.
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Campinilas
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Postby Campinilas » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:11 am

I love how eveyone talks about Ravania as this untrustworthy serial leaker and references incidents and leaks when there's only ever been one.

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South Pacific Belschaft
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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:59 am

Mad Jack wrote:
South Pacific Belschaft wrote:It was news to a number of people inside Osiris. Asta made the decision, but it seems no one felt the need to actually inform the Deshret.

Could this be because the Deshret has no business interfering with the military? This is how it has always been in Osiris. Always.

Um... the Deshret has existed for like two weeks. So there is no 'always' when it comes to it. Now, it's clear that we both have radically different ideas about where the balance of power between Executive and Legislative government should lie, but I rather thing at least informing the region at large and the legislature formally about major decisions should be a requirement of any executive.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:31 am

Campinilas wrote:I love how eveyone talks about Ravania as this untrustworthy serial leaker and references incidents and leaks when there's only ever been one.

Once is enough, in the real world.
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Postby The Dourian Embassy » Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:36 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:Once is enough, in the real world.


Even I can agree with that. I've done a lot of acts of evil in my time, but leaking is not among them.

That said, y'all used the name Deshret for the legislature?! Awesome! You folks know I came up with that name, right? ;)
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Postby Cormac A Stark » Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:29 am

The Dourian Embassy wrote:That said, y'all used the name Deshret for the legislature?! Awesome! You folks know I came up with that name, right? ;)

Actually, at least if Wikipedia is to be believed, the ancient Egyptians came up with it...

:P

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Postby The Dourian Embassy » Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:16 pm

Cormac A Stark wrote:
The Dourian Embassy wrote:That said, y'all used the name Deshret for the legislature?! Awesome! You folks know I came up with that name, right? ;)

Actually, at least if Wikipedia is to be believed, the ancient Egyptians came up with it...

:P


Yeah yeah. But way back when we were doing the original redraft after Biyah's coup, I came up with the idea to use the terms "Hedjet and Deshret"(for an upper and lower house) drawing from Ancient Egypt. I think I used the Hedjet(or was it Pshent?) for the medium influence group, so it's nice to see Deshret getting used as well.

And, I'm honestly surprised you've curbed Asta's desire to use Arabic names.
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Postby Charax » Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:43 pm

You went with Pshent. Figs/Asta was pretty set on just having one common theme, whatever it was. Having Viceroys and Pharaohs at the same time made her head bleed.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:41 pm

Topid wrote:Feederite was used. Is this news service posted elsewhere and then reposted here or something?
EDIT: Oh, NS++, nevermind I get the point now.

I stand corrected.
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Postby Detective Figs » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:52 pm

The Dourian Embassy wrote:Yeah yeah. But way back when we were doing the original redraft after Biyah's coup, I came up with the idea to use the terms "Hedjet and Deshret"(for an upper and lower house) drawing from Ancient Egypt. I think I used the Hedjet(or was it Pshent?) for the medium influence group, so it's nice to see Deshret getting used as well.


Hey, I liked the names then and I still like them now. Credit where credit is due. :)

And, I'm honestly surprised you've curbed Figs' desire to use Arabic names.


Yeeeees... "curbed". I am certainly not plotting and scheming a radical retheming once I pick between "Sultan" and "Caliph". Definitely not. That would be far too devious even for me. 8)

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Postby Mad Jack » Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:01 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:
Mad Jack wrote:Could this be because the Deshret has no business interfering with the military? This is how it has always been in Osiris. Always.

Um... the Deshret has existed for like two weeks. So there is no 'always' when it comes to it. Now, it's clear that we both have radically different ideas about where the balance of power between Executive and Legislative government should lie, but I rather thing at least informing the region at large and the legislature formally about major decisions should be a requirement of any executive.

Osiris isn't TSP, despite your obvious wish for it to be.
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Postby McMasterdonia » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:53 pm

Mad Jack wrote:
South Pacific Belschaft wrote:Um... the Deshret has existed for like two weeks. So there is no 'always' when it comes to it. Now, it's clear that we both have radically different ideas about where the balance of power between Executive and Legislative government should lie, but I rather thing at least informing the region at large and the legislature formally about major decisions should be a requirement of any executive.

Osiris isn't TSP, despite your obvious wish for it to be.


Wut? :blink:

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Postby PrussianEmpire » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:03 pm

McMasterdonia wrote:
Mad Jack wrote:Osiris isn't TSP, despite your obvious wish for it to be.


Wut? :blink:

Que? :?:
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Postby The Dourian Embassy » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:11 pm

PrussianEmpire wrote:
McMasterdonia wrote:
Wut? :blink:

Que? :?:


Perhaps he's pointing to the fact that it has less less democracy or some such? I dunno.
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Postby Feux » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:22 pm

McMasterdonia wrote:
Mad Jack wrote:Osiris isn't TSP, despite your obvious wish for it to be.


Wut? :blink:

I believe he was trying to paint Bel's opinions regarding regional governments as a reflection of the system in The South Pacific, even though Bel is a member of the Deshret and probably was speaking as such in his post.
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Mad Jack
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Postby Mad Jack » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:23 pm

Feux wrote:
McMasterdonia wrote:
Wut? :blink:

I believe he was trying to paint Bel's opinions regarding regional governments as a direct reflection of the system in The South Pacific, even though Bel is a member of the Deshret and probably was speaking as such at the time.

Bel proposed a constitution that was pretty much a replica of TSP's. Now I have nothing against TSP's constitution, but it doesn't suit the culture or history of Osiris.
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Postby Milograd » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:24 pm

McMasterdonia wrote:
Mad Jack wrote:Osiris isn't TSP, despite your obvious wish for it to be.


Wut? :blink:

Bel made a post on Osiris' board that essentially suggested that Osiris scrap its government and replace it with a government eerily similar to TSP structurally.
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Milograd
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Postby Milograd » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:24 pm

Nice timing, Jack.
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Postby NS Confidential » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:25 pm

McMasterdonia wrote:
Mad Jack wrote:Osiris isn't TSP, despite your obvious wish for it to be.


Wut? :blink:


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